Lëtz Play! Can You Top This? A Marriage Record With 15 Events

Each week, as I write about another set of my children’s Luxembourgish 5th great-grandparents, I review the information I have. If I haven’t worked on the family in a while, I search for baptismal and/or birth records, marriage banns, marriage records, death and/or burial records, census records on FamilySearch in the collections for Luxembourg or Lëtzebuerg.

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This week I looked into the SCHAEFFER-GREISCH family. I’ll be sharing the post on Friday. However, I couldn’t wait to play this little game with you.

Lëtz Play! Can You Top This?

Have you found a record in your genealogy research which reveals as many events as the one I discovered?

When I re-read the 1810 marriage record of the SCHAEFFER-GREISCH couple who married in Esch-sur-Sûre in north-western Luxembourg, I found the widowed father of the groom was living in Bourglinster, a town in the commune of Junglinster in central Luxembourg. I found his 1819 death record in Junglinster and learned he had remarried. When and where did this marriage take place?

I located the 1809 marriage record in Junglinster and it is filled with genealogical information. Imagine finding the dates for fifteen (15) events in one record!

Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Junglinster > Naissances 1859-1890 Mariages 1797-1876 > image 790 of 1488. 1809 Marriage Record No. 8 (part 1). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6RQ2-HB?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-7M9%3A129919601%2C130104101 : accessed 3 June 2017).
Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Junglinster > Naissances 1859-1890 Mariages 1797-1876 > image 791 of 1488. 1809 Marriage Record No. 8 (part 2). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6RQN-6Y?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-7M9%3A129919601%2C130104101 : accessed 3 June 2017).
  • 21 April 1809 – Date of marriage for Johann Baptiste SCHAFFER and Catherine WEINTZ
  • 22 June 1752 – Date of birth of the groom, Johann Baptiste SCHAFFER
  • 7 Frimaire year X – Date of death of the groom’s first wife Catherine JACQUES (aka SCHAACK)
  • 16 January 1795 – Date of death of Jean SCHAFFER, father of the groom
  • 21 February 1771 – Date of death of Marie BRAACK, mother of the groom
  • 15 March 1760 – Date of death of Jean SCHAFFER, grandfather of the groom
  • 25 March 1760 – Date of death of Susanne SCHAFFER, grandmother of the groom
  • 3 Nov 1765 – Date of birth of the bride, Catherine WEINTZ
  • 9 Pluviose year XII – Date of death of the bride’s first husband, Matthias REIDELER
  • 21 February 1773 – Date of death of Michel WEINTZ, father of the bride
  • 3 Frimaire 1797 – Date of death of Marie BRAUN, mother of the bride
  • 12 April 1749 – Date of death of Theodore WEINTZ, grandfather of the bride
  • 19 April 1767 – Date of death of Marguerite WEINTZ, grandmother of the bride
  • 26 March 1809 – First proclamation of the marriage banns
  • 2 April 1809 – Second proclamation of the marriage banns

It’s normal to find dates of death of the first spouse and deceased parents of the bride and/or groom in Luxembourgish marriage records. I have also seen the fact that the grandparents were deceased when the party was an orphan. But this was the first record I’ve seen with names and dates for the grandparents of the bride and groom.

Have you found a record with this many events mentioned? I’d love to hear about it. Please leave a comment or link to a post you’ve written about your extraordinary find.

© 2017, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

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Author: Cathy Meder-Dempsey

As a military brat I've lived in Georgia, France, Idaho, West Virginia, Spain, South Carolina, Texas, and Luxembourg. Married 39 years with two grown children. When I’m not doing genealogy, I spend time riding my racing bike with my husband through the wonderful countryside in Luxembourg and surrounding countries.

33 thoughts on “Lëtz Play! Can You Top This? A Marriage Record With 15 Events”

  1. I am impressed with 15! I had to go read a marriage record for my 4th great grandmother in Italy who was marrying for the 3rd time and her father and grandfather were deceased. With all of the combined marriage documents I counted 12 dates. If you count all three of the “notifcazione” posted on the church door, which is the “banns,” it would be 14 events. Good stuff you have!

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  2. That’s neat. I got a count of 14 on a marriage in Italy with all of the deaths and prior marriages. Good stuff. First message didn’t take so I am sending this again .

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  3. Great example. Do Luxembourg civil marriage records have marriage supplements like the Dutch ones? In the Netherlands, you would be able to find a bundle of extracts of the records for each of these events, often with a complete copy of the birth and death records, plus a certificate that the groom fulfilled his military duties.

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    1. Hello, Yvette, and thank you.
      I have seen supplements mostly in the 1820 and 1830s but not in all communes. They include birth records of bride or groom if they were not born in the municipality they were being married in, death records of parents of bride or groom (same scenario), certificate of military service, and, in one case, a certificate that the groom had paid his taxes.
      I wish they were included for all years.
      I checked this morning to see as they might be included for this marriage (I couldn’t sleep and this popped up in my mind) but unfortunately they weren’t.

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  4. Wow, that is a great find! Now if only the military records of Luxembourg were as full of info or easy to find. I’d like to find out more about those who served in my family under Napoleon and have found a little through Luxroots but I also read some records were burned in the original building that held the records in Luxembourg. What I did find was very interesting. Keep up the interesting posts Cathy! We enjoy reading them and learn so much.

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      1. Thank you for sharing link to more military records. I found 2 ancestors records there! One gave info on previously unknown spouse of mother. Other I was able to confirm/triangulate? “Jean” is same person as “Jacques” on Deltgen.com. Picked up a birth date then on sibling thru the trail. It was a great lead on info in index and link to original documents previously unknown to me thru earlier source I tapped at “Soldats de la France 1792-1815”. Looking forward to learning more in your next post! Love your detailed posts.

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    1. Thank you, Barbara. My favorite pastors and scribes are the ones with the beautiful handwriting, followed by the ones who took the time to include as much information as they could fit in – this however often meant squeezing it into a tiny section which did not improve the handwriting.

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    1. I know what you mean, Elizabeth. I get so frustrated when I see US marriage certificates. Beautiful forms but not always the amount of information we would like to me. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Good luck with your new blog.

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