The Ancestors: Joannes FRISCH (1713-1759) and Margaretha ZEIMES (1727-1792) of Huncherange

When I wrote about my 4th great-grandfather Jacob FRISCH in January 2018, I had only the names of his parents from his 1789 marriage record: the deceased Joannes FRISCH and his wife Margaretha ZEIMET of Huncherange in Luxembourg.

I had no idea when Jacob was born or if the village his parents lived in was also his birthplace. I searched the records of the parish of Noertzange to which Huncherange was attached for the years 1760 to 1770 without success.

I didn’t know at the time that Jacob was 33 years old when he married Regina HUBERTY in 1789. Once I had the right time frame, I was able to locate the baptismal records of seven children born in Huncherange to my 5th great-grandparents Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES. In each of the baptismal records, the mother’s maiden name was spelled ZEIMES and not ZEIMET as seen in the 1789 marriage record of Jacob FRISCH.

Joannes and Margaretha were a married couple as early as 1746 according to the baptismal records of their children however no marriage record has been found. Who were Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES? Did they leave any clues to their own parentage? Were they both from Huncherange or had one or both of them come from somewhere else?

The children of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES

On 14 August 1746, Maria FRISCH (1746-1746), a daughter born to Joannes and Margaretha, was baptized in Noertzange. Her godparents were Nicolas SCHÖPFGEN and Maria ZEIMES, a single woman, both of Huncherange. In the margin of the baptismal record, a notation was made. Little Maria died on 27 November 1746 at the age of a little more than three months.1

A year later, on 3 November 1747 Petrus FRISCH (1747-1794) was baptized. His godparents were Petrus ZEIMES v. Zentgen and Barbara DONDLINGER, both from Huncherange and both single.2

A second son, Joannes FRISCH (1750-1816) was baptized on 27 August 1750. His godparents were Joannes STEICHEN and Maria Magdalena HANEN, a single woman, both of Huncherange. The baby Joannes was born the previous day.3

Elisabetha FRISCH (1752-1834) was baptized on 8 September 1752 with Dominicus LANTGEN and Elisabetha DONDLINGER uxor (wife of) Christophe WESTER, both of Huncherange, serving as her godparents.4

A third son, Nicolaus FRISCH (1754-1754) was born on 9 September 1754. The following day Nicolas KIRPACH, a single man from Finningen, and Elisabetha SCHOLTES, a single woman from Huncherange, were named as his godparents. Ten days later, on the 19th, Nicolaus died.5

1755 Baptismal Record of Jacob FRISCH, son of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES of Huncherange

Joannes and Margaretha’s sixth child, my 4th great-grandfather Jacob FRISCH (1755-1800) was baptized on 4 September 1755. His godparents were Jacobus LANTGES, single, and Barbara FRANCK (alias KRIPS) uxor (wife of) Dominique FRANCK of Huncherange.6

The last child was Joanna FRISCH (1757-1836) baptized on 3 October 1757. Her godparents were Michael SCHÖFGEN and Joanna BOURNON, both of Huncherange and single.7

Are the godparents of the children clues to the grandparents?

None of the children had godparents with their father’s surname FRISCH. Two of the children had godparents with their mother’s maiden name ZEIMES. Maria ZEIMES, a single woman, and Petrus ZEIMES vulgo (more commonly known as) ZENTGEN both of Huncherange.

All records for Huncherange and Noertzange on FamilySearch and Matricula were viewed. Two death records were found for persons with the ZEIMES name – Maria and Petrus. No children, parents, godparents, or other relatives with the surnames ZEIMES or FRISCH were found other than the baptismal records of the above-named children and the two death records.

1773 Death/Burial Record of Maria ZEIMES of Huncherange

In 1773 Maria ZEIMES age about 40, daughter of Nicolas ZEIMES and Maria HAUPERT died in Huncherange.8 In 1775 Petrus ZEIMES age about 40, son of Joannes ELM and Maria BRAUSCH of Abweiler, died in Huncherange.9 As their parents’ names were given and different, they were not siblings. But could they have been cousins? How were they related to Margaretha ZEIMES? Were they the same persons as Maria ZEIMES and Petrus ZEIMES who served as godparents for the FRISCH children? A godparent normally is at least 16 years old. Maria would have been about 13 in 1746 and Peter 12 in 1747 if the ages at death are close estimates. Too young to be godparents but, if their age at death was in their forties, they may have been old enough.

I took a closer look at the description on Matricula for the records classified under Hüncheringen or Huncherange. In the 18th century, there were two parishes in Fenningen or Fennange and Noertzingen or Noertzange (with a branch in Hüncheringen). From 1804 Fenningen and Hüncheringen belonged to the parish of Noertzingen as branches. It was also noted that some church registers for this parish for the 17th and 18th centuries are still in the possession of civil authorities and are not available to the Diocesan Archives of Luxembourg. No mention was made of which records these may be. I opened up each set of registers for the time period and compared them with those available on FamilySearch. The records missing on Matricula are on FamilySearch. On Matricula, substitutes for the missing records are available in the form of transcriptions of births, marriages, and deaths for Huncherange, Noertzange, and Fennange. These transcriptions are dated 1973.

I browsed the KB-08, a church book in the Huncherange collection that includes baptisms for Fennange for 1704-1796. This book is not available on FamilySearch. I discovered a baptismal record dated 14 April 1727 for Margaretha ZEUMES, daughter of Nicolai ZEUMES ex Schuveiler and Regina HUPERT ex Abweiler, with godparents Anthonio KAUFFMAN and Margaretha HUPERT of Abweiler.10

1727 Baptismal Record of Margaretha ZEUMES. Courtesy of Matricula.

ZEUMES is a variation of ZEIMES and HUPERT a variation of HAUPERT. Could this be my 5th great-grandmother Margaretha ZEIMES? Was she the sister of Maria ZEIMES? If this child was my ancestor, she would have been 19 years old at the time of her first child’s birth. [For those of you paying close attention to the records, yes, the mother’s first name is different from the first name of the mother of Maria ZEIMES mentioned earlier. Maria’s death record is a mess. Her father’s name is Nicolai ZEIMES in the death record but if you look closely it may have been Joannes Nicolai ZEIMES.]

Since this baptismal record was only found on Matricula, I wonder how many more records have been missed or are missing on FamilySearch? Matricula has gone to the top of my list right after FamilySearch for the place to search for Luxembourg records.

Margaretha, widowed with 5 children in 1759

Joannes FRISCH died on 12 October 1759 in Huncherange.11 His age at death is hidden in the gutter of the church book filmed by FamilySearch. The transcription of this book found on Matricula includes his age at death. This is not surprising as the 1973 transcriptions must have been done from the original records before they were microfilmed by FamilySearch. Joannes was 46 years old and therefore born about 1713.12

1759 Death Entry for Joannes FRISCH. FamilySearch
1759 Death Entry Nr. 56 (transcription of original record). Matricula

Margaretha was now widowed with five children ages 12, 9, 7, 4, and 2. What did she do to support her family? Did she have relatives in the village? Her husband had been a linen weaver. Could he have been working for another weaver in the village? Did Margaretha continue to do the same kind of work? In whatever way, she was able to raise her five children to adulthood. They were well into their twenties before they married and left home.

The children begin to leave home, marry, and have children

At the age of 23, her second son Joannes FRISCH (1750-1816) married Marie Catherine NIEDERKORN (1753-1818) on 10 January 1774 in Noertzange.13 They made their home in Huncherange where their first child, a son named Dominique was born. The first grandchild of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES was baptized on 1 April 1776 in Noertzange.14

Two more marriages took place before more grandchildren were born. Elisabetha FRISCH (1752-1834) was 24 years old when she married Henri HOSTERT (1747-1793) on 5 November 1776 in Noertzange.15 The oldest FRISCH son, Petrus was 29 years old when he married Anna KREMMER (1749-1808) on 10 February 1777 in Dudelange.16

Eighteen grandchildren were born between 1776 and 1789. Three of the grandchildren did not survive leaving fifteen grandchildren living in 1789.

To Petrus and his wife were born Michael 1778, Martin 1781, Maria 1782, Jean 1785, and Michael 1788.

To Joannes and his wife were born Michael 1777, Johann 1778, Jacob 1780 (died 1781), Jacob 1782 (died 1784), Jacob 1784, Elisabetha 4 April 1787 (died age 5 days), and Michael 1788.

To Elisabeth and her husband were born Jeanne 1777, Elisabeth 1780, Maria 1782, Carolus 1785, and Margaretha 1787.

Petrus’ children were born in Dudelange and Joannes’ in Huncherange. Elisabeth’s first three daughters were born in Huncherange. Her HOSTERT family moved to Mamer before the birth of her son Carolus in 1785. This move may have influenced Margaretha’s youngest son Jacob FRISCH to marry in Mamer.

Jacob was 33 years old when he married Regina HUBERTY (1761-1840) on 3 March 1789 in Mamer.17 Jacob and Regina were my 4th great-grandparents. They made their home in the village of Capellen in the municipality of Mamer.

Jacob’s siblings continued to have children. Elisabeth had Magdalena in 1790. Joannes’s wife gave birth to Christophorus the same year in Huncherange. Petrus’ wife had Stephanus in 1791 in Dudelange. Joannes’ wife had Marguerite in 1792 in Huncherange. The children born to Petrus and Joannes’ wives were their last. Elisabeth’s daughter Margaretha died at the age of 3 years in December 1790.

Margaretha ZEIMES’ youngest daughter was 34 years old when she finally decided to marry. Joanna married Joannes PIRSCH (1750-1821) on 23 April 1792 in Weimerskirch.18 He was a widowed shoemaker.

Following this marriage, Margaretha would see two more grandchildren born. Susanna, the first child of Jacob and Regina, was born on 26 June 1792 in Capellen.19 Elisabeth’s last HOSTERT child, Jean was born three months later in Mamer.

Margaretha ZEIMES dies in Mamer in 1792

Margaretha ZEIMES, the widow of the linen weaver Joannes FRISCH, died on 1 December 1792 in Mamer at the age of 64.20 She had seen all of her five children marry. She had 20 living grandchildren; four had not survived infancy. Her youngest child Joanna was pregnant with her first child.

Elisabeth’s husband Henri HOSTERT died on 2 April 1793.21 Their youngest son Jean died the same month. These deaths were followed by the birth of Joanna’s first child Bernard PIRSCH born in May 1793 in Dommeldange (Luxembourg City). Sadly, he died a month later. Elisabeth who had already lost her husband and youngest son two months earlier had to bury another child when her daughter Maria died at the age of 11.

Elisabeth, widowed with four children, was 41 years old when she married 31 years old Peter GOERGEN (1762-1833). Peter was a linen weaver like Elisabeth’s father, late husband, and her brother Jacob FRISCH who was a witness to the marriage on 6 March 1794 in Mamer.22

The following month, my ancestor Jacob became a father for the second time. Anna Margaretha was born on 24 April 1794 in Capellen.23

The first of Joannes and Margaretha’s children dies in Dudelange

Petrus, the oldest son of Margaretha ZEIMES and Joannes FRISCH, died on 17 May 1794 in Dudelange at the age of 46, the same age as his father.24 He left a wife and at least three living children of six known to have been born to his wife. Death records for the three oldest have not been searched for. It is possible that they may not have survived their father. The three youngest married and had children.

Six more grandchildren were born: Catharina PIRSCH in 1794 in Dommeldange, Mathias GOERGEN in 1795 in Hostert, Franciscus FRISCH in 1796 in Capellen, Theodor GOERGEN in 1797 in Oberanven, Nicolaus FRISCH in 1798 in Capellen, and finally Elisabeta FRISCH, my 3rd great-grandmother, in 1800.

The turn of the century brings confusing and conflicting records

There is some conflicting evidence concerning Elisabeta’s birth and her father’s death. The civil records show 44 years old Jacob FRISCH died on 11 March 180025 in Capellen three months before his daughter Elisabeta was born on 2 June 1800 in Capellen. Her mother was the informant for her birth and her father Jacob FRISCH was named as deceased.26 Church records, on the other hand, tell a different story. Elisabeta was born on 5 April 1800 and baptized the following day.27 Her father died on 7 April 1800, the day after her baptism.28 Official civil registration was introduced in the Grand Duchy by a French decree in 1797. From this time forward church records were no longer considered legal documents. When Elisabeta married in 1827 the date of her civil birth record was noted on her marriage record and not the date on the church record.

Margaretha and Joannes’ son Jacob, therefore per civil records, died three months before their last grandchild was born. Three of their children were still living after the turn of the century. Their son Joannes died 30 July 1816 in Bettembourg at the age of 65,29 daughter Elisabetha died 13 January 1834 in Hostert at the age of 81,30 and daughter Joanna died 13 February 1836 in Dommeldange at the age of 78.31

The legacy left by Joannes FRISCH

My fifth great-grandfather Joannes FRISCH left a legacy for his descendants. What he passed on to them was not a gift of money or property. He passed on the trade of weaving linen. His son Petrus was a weaver, his son Jacob was a linen weaver, and his daughter Elisabeth’s husbands were both linen weavers. Not all of his children took up the weaving trade. His son Joannes was a cobbler and his daughter Joanna married a shoemaker.

The trade of linen weaving was passed on for several generations. My 4th great-grandfather Jacob‘s daughters married linen weavers and one of his sons was a linen weaver before emigrating to America in 1856 with his brother to both become farmers. My 3rd great-grandmother Elisabeta‘s youngest son Jean FRANTZ was a linen weaver when he married in 1870. On the 1900 census, my 2nd great-grandfather was listed as a master weaver. His daughter, my great-grandmother Catharina FRANTZ finally broke the streak by marrying a Rosenzüchter or rose grower in 1900. 

Joannes FRISCH left a legacy but no records that helped to determine his parentage. His wife Margaretha ZEIMES may have been the daughter of Nicolas ZEIMES and Regina HAUPERT. No further records have been found for them. Maybe one day…

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  1. Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 9 of 75. 1746 Baptismal Record (right, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-MXVR?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  2. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 10 of 75. 1747 Baptismal Record (left, bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6GJ?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  3. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 11 of 75. 1750 Baptismal Record (right page, 3rd entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6PG?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  4. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 12 of 75. 1752 Baptismal Record (right, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-MXZK?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  5. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 14 of 75. 1754 Baptismal Record (left, 2nd entry); includes death annotation in margin. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MX45?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : acccessed 15 January 2018). 
  6. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 14 of 75. 1755 Baptismal Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MX45?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 8 January 2018). 
  7. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 6 of 75. 1757 Baptismal Record (left, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6TR?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  8. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 66 of 75. 1773 Death Record (right page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-MXQR?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  9. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 67 of 75. 1775 Death Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-MX9W?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 23 April 2021), 
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  11. Luxembourg parish records (FamilySearch), Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 64 of 75. 1759 Death Record (left, bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-M61J?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  12. Luxembourg parish records (Matricula), GV.MF 172-285, Hüncheringen, KB-06 amtliche Abschrift, Formbuch, Sterbefälle (Hüncheringen) [1741-1796] S.2-56, image 12 of 30. 1759 Death Entry No. 56 (age 46). (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/huencheringen/KB-06/?pg=12 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  13. Luxembourg parish records (FamilySearch), Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 46 of 75. 1774 Marriage Record (right, bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M62R?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  14. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 19 of 75. 1776 Baptismal Record (right, 5th entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M65Z?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  15. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 47 of 75. 1776 Marriage Record (right, 1st full entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6TV?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  16. Ibid., Dudelange > Mariages 1775-1796 > image 7 of 38. 1777 Marriage Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-9NC1?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-MNR%3A1500943101%2C1501098244 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  17. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 106 of 168. 1789 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32402-680-82?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  18. Ibid., Weimerskirch > Mariages 1778-1796, sépultures 1778-1797 > image 213 of 238. 1792 Marriage Record (left page, middle).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-9QFV?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-WQ9%3A1500941701%2C1501018356 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  19. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 138 of 168. 1792 Baptismal Record (right page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32402-636-77?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  20. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 148 of 168. 1792 Death Record (right, 3rd entry from bottom).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-SVW?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-C6G%3A1500941501%2C1500913302 : accessed 5 January 2018). 
  21. Luxembourg parish records (Matricula), Mamer, KB-18 neuer Einband, Paginierung übernommen, Taufen, Heiraten, Sterbefälle [1779-1793] S. 1-349, image 168 of 172. 1793 Death Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-18/?pg=168 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  22. Ibid., GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, image 79 of 128. 1794 Marriage Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=79 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  23. Luxembourg parish records (FamilySearch), Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1790-1804 > image 7 of 30. 1794 Baptismal entry 14 (right page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32402-330-60?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  24. Ibid., Dudelange > Baptêmes, sépultures 1774-1796 > image 125 of 132. 1794 Death Record (entry 21). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-9N6V?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-MJQ%3A1500943101%2C1501085980 : accessed 24 January 2018). 
  25. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mamer > Mariages 1838-1890 Décès 1796-1880 > image 541 of 1497. 1800 Death Record (right page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12143-121167-96?cc=1709358 : accessed 29 November 2015). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). 
  26. Ibid., Mamer > Naissances 1796-1833 > image 53 of 549. 1800 Birth Record, right, top (13 prairial an VIII). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XS4P-9J?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-L29%3A130065401%2C130303901 : accessed 8 January 2018). Conflicting dates. 13 prairial an VIII converts to 2 June 1800. The church records show she was born 5 April 1800 and baptized the following day. 
  27. Luxembourg parish records (Matricula), Microfilm GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1790 – 1804, image 50 of 128, page 93, entry 5. 1800 Baptismal Record No. 5. (http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=50 : accessed 2 April 2021). 
  28. Ibid., Microfilm GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1790 – 1804, image 122 of 128, page 235 (stamped), 6th entry. 1800 Burial Record. (http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=122 : accessed 2 October 2018). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). 
  29. Luxembourg civil records, Bettembourg > Mariages 1796-1890 Décès 1796-1885 > image 760 of 1479. 1816 Death Record (left, top). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6XP7-BV9?cc=1709358&wc=9RY3-K68%3A129623601%2C129637201 : accesed 26 January 2018). 
  30. Ibid., Niederanven > Mariages 1814-1890 Décès 1796-1849 > image 1270 of 1503. 1834 Death Record No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT3Q-2P4?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-PTL%3A130132201%2C130239901 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  31. Ibid., Eich > Décès 1816-1856 > image 685 of 1490. 1836 Death Record No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X989-1LH?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-VZ9%3A129629601%2C129629602 : accessed 19 April 2021). 

Author: Cathy Meder-Dempsey

When I’m not doing genealogy and blogging, I spend time riding my racing bike with my husband through the wonderful Luxembourg countryside.

19 thoughts on “The Ancestors: Joannes FRISCH (1713-1759) and Margaretha ZEIMES (1727-1792) of Huncherange”

  1. Cathy, I agree with Robert Baker…another great post and detective work. One of my ancestor’s families, Flory were weavers. The interesting trades that our ancestors performed may hold a fascination with us today but it was just a way to make a living for them, and those trades did get passed down. My great-grandfather Wm. Earp worked in the shoe industry, and he knew how to make and repair shoes, which my mother watched him do in his garage when she was a little girl and I believe that interest of that trade came down from his mother’s family, the Bowers, as there were many Bowers that were shoemakers. Thanks again for a great post! Brian

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    1. I don’t think trade “was just a way to make a living for them.” Their occupations, often passed down to the next generation, were a major part of their lives and influenced much of what they did, how and where they lived. As always, Brian, I appreciate your reading and commenting. Thank you!

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  2. So nice how you were able to put together a picture of the family’s lives (births, deaths, moving to another city, and occupations). Helps to see what might have been ancestor’s motivations for marrying or moving. What a good reminder to check multiple sources when you can’t find a record too! I’ve got a missing Diekirch death record I could try! Interesting too you had an ancestor (albeit old at 65 those days) that died in 1816. 1816 is known at the Year without a Summer because of the volcanic eruption of Tambora in 1815. Amazing the chain of events that eruption caused that effected lives. Also a happy note: I got to use recently learned knowledge of what “vulgo” means even though you kindly gave the definition! I came across it for the first time looking at a baptism record of one of my ancestors whose FIRST name was also given a “vulgo” first name. Unusual. Great detail Cathy!

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    1. Congratulations on learning a new Latin term. You taught me something new as well. I didn’t know about the volcanic eruption. I checked my database for deaths in 1816 and found a little over 20. Narrowed it to my ancestors and spouses and brought it down to 3. Two direct ancestors and one widow of an ancestor. Interesting is that the widow and three of her children were murdered in April 1816 as seen in Part V: A Horrific Crime in the Fortress City of Luxembourg. Thank you, Kathy!

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  3. Great work as always, Cathy. Don’t you hate when they film records and cut off things in the gutter or on the margins?

    So many deaths of people in their 40s. I wonder how often that happened back then.

    I love how you traced the linen weaving back so many generations. Are there any living descendants still doing weaving even as a hobby?

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    1. Things hidden in the gutter can be forgiven but cutting off margins is not good archival work.

      The forties seem to be a turning point for ages of (my) ancestors. If they made it past this point, they usually lived longer lives. For example, women, out of the childbearing years, were no longer at risk of dying due to complications of birth.

      I don’t know of anyone who is still doing weaving. Jean FRANTZ’ sons and sons-in-law began working around the turn of the 20th century. They were railroad workers, a mason, a teacher, a postal worker, a worker in Paris, and rose grower – new occupations compared to earlier generations.

      Thank you, Amy.

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      1. Thanks, Cathy. The shift in occupations is interesting—some attributable to the industrial revolution, some to increased opportunities for education. But what a shame that no one continued to weave.

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  4. My head is spinning, Cathy. Wonderful work, of course. When the husband died and the oldest of the children was only 12 would that child have gone to work? Without other substantial resources it seems like that child would have had to work. We’re most people in Luxembourg at that time Catholic?

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    1. Luanne, it’s possible that the oldest son, at the age of 12, was apprenticed to a master weaver. According to an article on apprenticeship in London https://www.londonlives.org/static/IA.jsp a child was usually around the age of 12 or 13 but sometimes as young as 7 when apprenticed. I have no idea if similar laws were practiced in Luxembourg at the time.

      Most people at that time in Luxembourg were Catholic. There was a very small Jewish community dating back to at least the 13th century. Protestantism was outlawed in Luxembourg until 1768.

      Thank you, Luanne. You always have interesting questions!

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      1. I can’t imagine giving my child up at 12 not to mention seven. But I suppose the reality was that people felt it was best for their child to learn a trade and there was a lot of competition.

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    1. Probably a house name, not a place name. Zentgen as a surname is not common. This is the only record in which I have seen it mentioned. Peter’s death record gives his father’s surname as ELM and his mother’s as BRAUSCH. I have never seen a child with a different surname than his parents. I asked another Luxembourg researcher about the record and she believed Peter could have been the step-son of the ELM father. I have researched the children of this couple, even finding a 1755 list of household members that confirms the daughters I found baptismal records for. Peter was not included in the list. Of course, I have saved all of this information for later use. Thank you, Dara.

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