Luxembourg genealogy research may seem daunting to new and even experienced researchers. With a country the size of Rhode Island, the smallest US state, one might assume Luxembourg research would/should be easier.
I learned a lot through trial and error when I first began searching for vital records for my Luxembourg ancestors. I browsed the records to figure out which communes the villages belonged to. When I got far enough back in time, I went through the same time-consuming trial and error system with the parish records.
Today, I use two online lists created by Jean THOMA to check for the commune and the parish a village belonged to at different points in time:
Still, even with these lists, there are records for some villages that are not easily found.
I received a query from Shirley who was searching for an 1813 marriage record for ancestors who married in Buschdorf.
She had the date that had been abstracted by a volunteer at Luxracines from the Tables Décennales (later referred to as TD in this post) or ten-year tables for births, marriages, and deaths.
She knew that Buschdorf was part of the commune of Boevange-sur-Attert.
The marriage record was not found in the collection of marriages for the years 1796-1890 where she thought it would be.
She wanted to know if records for Buschdorf might be found in a different commune.
Thoma’s list of communes indicates that Buschdorf was its own commune until 1823. This means that they kept their own TD, birth, marriage, and death records before 1823.
I went to the FamilySearch catalog and looked up Buschdorf. The catalog showed civil records for Buschdorf are in the Boevange-sur-Attert collection.
For more information, I clicked on the link (see arrow above) to open up the catalog entry for the collection.
This is the top of the page for the collection of records for the commune of Boevange-sur-Attert. There is a link that will take you directly to the civil records for all locations in Luxembourg. Stop. Don’t use this yet. Scroll down further on the page to view all films included in the collection for this commune.
If you aren’t familiar with entries in the catalog, there are a few things you need to know.
The camera icon with a key indicates some kind of restriction. Before becoming discouraged, check to see if you are signed in to FamilySearch. Very often, as in this case, the key will disappear indicating the collection is not restricted.
In the column with the film number, Item numbers may also be included. These will help you navigate an entire film with more than one item included. Images identifying the beginning of new items are easily found when scrolling through the collection.
In the above screenshot, the title of the collection/film Naissances 1841-1880 — BUSCHDORF: Naissances 1798-1822 — Mariages 1796-1890 indicates that part of this collection includes births for the years 1798-1822 for Buschdorf. As Buschdorf was keeping their own records up to 1823 there should also be marriage and death records for the town, not just births.
Going into the collection by clicking on the camera icon will take you to the film.
…scroll down in the Information box at the bottom to the citation and copy/paste the link into your browser to go to the image below.
Here the name of the collection is Naissances 1841-1880, 1798-1822 Mariages 1796-1890 and doesn’t indicate the records for 1798-1822 are only for Buschdorf. The title Naissances 1841-1880 — BUSCHDORF: Naissances 1798-1822 — Mariages 1796-1890 in the catalog suggests that there are three items in this collection. When you look at the collection using thumbnails you can see where each item begins and ends. (see end of item 2 and beginning of item 3 in image above)
Births for 1841-1880 were filmed in two batches and are under Item 1 and Item 2. Item 3 is named Naissances (or births) 1798-1822.
Item 4 is Marriages for 1796-1890. This is where Shirley searched without results for the 1813 marriage.
Going back to Item 3, a closer look at the records shows that this part of the collection not only has births but also the TDs, marriage, and death records for Buschdorf for the period it was a commune. This is the entire collection of records for the now extinct commune of Buschdorf.
Other “Hidden Villages”
About a half-dozen years ago, I had the same problem with Osweiler, a village that is part of the commune of Rosport. Sometime after 2011 and before 2015 FamilySearch “reworked” the Luxembourg, Civil Registration, 1662-1941 collection. They have a link with the known issues in the collection that included this statement in 2015:
At the recent rework of this collection, the town/hamlet names were combined into the Commune/municipality level. The records are still there, but the search is different.
After much searching, I accidentally found that the Osweiler records to 1822 were included in Rosport in the collection titled “Naissances, mariages, décès 1800-1815.” The title deceived me and I didn’t take the time to view the records more closely. If I had, I would have found the births and marriages for Osweiler for the years 1816-1822 in this misnamed collection. The FamilySearch catalog gives the correct year range for the Osweiler records:
Other examples are:
Alzingen, a commune until 1823, then part of Hesperange
Brandenburg, a commune until 1823, then part of Bastendorf
Berbourg, a commune until 1823, then part of Manternach
…and the list goes on.
The commune or municipal system was adopted in Luxembourg in 1795 during the French occupation to mirror the systems employed in the rest of the French Republic. Many villages kept their own records until they became part of a larger commune in 1823 when the system was overhauled. These smaller villages that were municipalities or communes until 1823 are easily found on Thoma’s list of communes by searching for the year 1823.
The moral of the story is…
Shirley was happy to learn where she could find the record. She wrote, “I have so many “missing” records. Not always sure if they’re truly missing from FamilySearch, or if I’m just not looking in the right place.” Hopefully, this post will help her and others find their “missing” records.
If you are having problems finding your ancestors’ records, check Jean THOMA’s list of Luxembourg communes as well as the FamilySearch catalog for the location you are researching.
While researching for the post, I was in touch with the compiler of Les Familles de Rodemack et ses annexes Semming, Faulbach, Esing de 1682 à 1904 (Cercle Généalogique du Pays des Trois Frontières, 2004) about some of the dates for the FRANTZ individuals in the book. Jean-Marie offered to go to the Archives Municipales de Rodemack to look up several records.
I was particularly interested in the entry I found on the Tables Décennales for Semming:
Angélique BARTHEL died on 30 Brumaire an XI or 21 November 1802 per the entry in this list of death records for the decade 1802-1812.1 If possible, I wanted the information verified as the death record is not available online. On the Archives Départementales de la Moselle site, Semming is listed – à numériser, voir RODEMACK- indicating not all records have been digitized and those available are under Rodemack.
This morning I received digital copies of three records courtesy of the municipal archives of Rodemack. Anyone can visit the office but copies are not normally made due to the fragile state of the old documents.
The Death Record of Angélique BARTEL
The death record of my 5th great-grandmother was not recorded on 30 Brumaire XI nor did her death take place on that date as indicated on the tables décennales seen above.
The death record is dated 28 Nivôse XI (in the 11th year of the Republic) or 18 January 1803. Angélique BARTEL died on 27 Nivôse XI or 17 January 1803 at 3 heures du soir. This translates to 3 o’clock in the evening which is not correct and doesn’t make sense. The term du soir is still used by the older generation of French speakers and is similar to our use of p.m. Therefore, Angélique died at 3 o’clock in the afternoon. Her occupation was sage-femme or midwife. She was 65 years old at the time of death placing her birth at about 1738. Michel BARTEL her son-in-law was the informant and gave Elling as her place of birth. The second informant or witness to the record was Michel BAUER, a friend of the deceased. Angélique lived in Simming and both of the witnesses were residents of the commune of Simming and Faulbach. Michel BARTEL could not write and signed with an X. The mayor of the commune, François ERNST signed his name Frantz Ernst, mayor.
Elling was also the place of birth of Angélique’s son-in-law Michel who shared the surname BARTEL or BARTHEL with her. As canon law forbade the marriage of close relatives, it might be assumed that the two were distantly related as they came from the same town. Baptismal records for Ellange (Elling) are on FamilySearch under Elling, Ellange, and Dalheim. They are lacking for the years 1716-1739 when Angélique’s baptismal record would be expected.
It is possible that Michel confused his birthplace with his mother-in-law’s when reporting her death. Michel’s baptismal record was found in the Dalheim collection and notes his birth in Ellange. The research will have to be broadened to include all towns between Ellange and Rodemack. Sierck-les-Bains which is halfway between the two but more to the east has several BARTHEL couples having children at the time Angélique was born but she was not one of them.
The Baptismal Record of Paul FRANTZ
The records for Semming on the departmental archives site for the Moselle are labeled as being available for the years 1682-an X. I found that they are missing from mid-1745 to 1802 (an X). Therefore I requested Paul’s baptismal record and the death record of his sister Marie Marguerite or Maria Margareta as seen in the Latin entry.
My 4th great-grandfather Paul FRANTZ was baptized on 11 August 1765. He was the son of Nicolai FRANTZ, bubulci or a farm laborer, and Ang… a married couple from Faulbach. His godfather was Paulus STROPPERS from Luxembourg and Margarita PIRMES of Faulbach. The godfather signed his surname: STROPERS. An unusual surname that hopefully will lead to a family connection. Note: The left side of the record including the date and the mother’s full name was not captured in the scan by the archivist. Jean-Marie only noticed this after he had arrived back home.
Eight months later, on 9 April 1766 Maria Margareta FRANTZ, daughter of Nicolai FRANTZ, bubulci, and Angelica BARTEL, a married couple from Faulbach, died. The interment was in the Summingen or Simming cemetery. Maria Margareta’s age is not mentioned but as this was only eight months after Paul’s birth she was likely born before the end of 1765 and at least 17 months old. Her date of birth is not cited in the Rodemack family book. Either the records are missing or she wasn’t born in Faulbach or Simmingen where the FRANTZ family lived in 1765-1766.
Geographical area to be researched
The distance between Ellange and Simming (Semming on the Google map) is a short drive of fewer than 20 minutes. Nicolas and Angélique’s older daughter Marie, the wife of Michel BARTHEL, was born in Beyren-lès-Sierck, a village that lies between Ellange and Simming, according to information furnished at the time of their civil marriage ceremony in 1816.
Although the distance is small, all villages in the area will have to be researched to learn more about the FRANTZ and BARTHEL connections in the area. Research for another day…
Special thanks to Jean-Marie and the secretary at the Archives Municipales de Rodemack for looking up and scanning the records I was most interested in.
When I wrote about my 4th great-grandfather Jacob FRISCH in January 2018, I had only the names of his parents from his 1789 marriage record: the deceased Joannes FRISCH and his wife Margaretha ZEIMET of Huncherange in Luxembourg.
I had no idea when Jacob was born or if the village his parents lived in was also his birthplace. I searched the records of the parish of Noertzange to which Huncherange was attached for the years 1760 to 1770 without success.
I didn’t know at the time that Jacob was 33 years old when he married Regina HUBERTY in 1789. Once I had the right time frame, I was able to locate the baptismal records of seven children born in Huncherange to my 5th great-grandparents Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES. In each of the baptismal records, the mother’s maiden name was spelled ZEIMES and not ZEIMET as seen in the 1789 marriage record of Jacob FRISCH.
Joannes and Margaretha were a married couple as early as 1746 according to the baptismal records of their children however no marriage record has been found. Who were Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES? Did they leave any clues to their own parentage? Were they both from Huncherange or had one or both of them come from somewhere else?
The children of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES
On 14 August 1746, Maria FRISCH (1746-1746), a daughter born to Joannes and Margaretha, was baptized in Noertzange. Her godparents were Nicolas SCHÖPFGEN and Maria ZEIMES, a single woman, both of Huncherange. In the margin of the baptismal record, a notation was made. Little Maria died on 27 November 1746 at the age of a little more than three months.1
A year later, on 3 November 1747 Petrus FRISCH (1747-1794) was baptized. His godparents were Petrus ZEIMES v. Zentgen and Barbara DONDLINGER, both from Huncherange and both single.2
A second son, Joannes FRISCH (1750-1816) was baptized on 27 August 1750. His godparents were Joannes STEICHEN and Maria Magdalena HANEN, a single woman, both of Huncherange. The baby Joannes was born the previous day.3
Elisabetha FRISCH (1752-1834) was baptized on 8 September 1752 with Dominicus LANTGEN and Elisabetha DONDLINGER uxor (wife of) Christophe WESTER, both of Huncherange, serving as her godparents.4
A third son, Nicolaus FRISCH (1754-1754) was born on 9 September 1754. The following day Nicolas KIRPACH, a single man from Finningen, and Elisabetha SCHOLTES, a single woman from Huncherange, were named as his godparents. Ten days later, on the 19th, Nicolaus died.5
Joannes and Margaretha’s sixth child, my 4th great-grandfather Jacob FRISCH (1755-1800) was baptized on 4 September 1755. His godparents were Jacobus LANTGES, single, and Barbara FRANCK (alias KRIPS) uxor (wife of) Dominique FRANCK of Huncherange.6
The last child was Joanna FRISCH (1757-1836) baptized on 3 October 1757. Her godparents were Michael SCHÖFGEN and Joanna BOURNON, both of Huncherange and single.7
Are the godparents of the children clues to the grandparents?
None of the children had godparents with their father’s surname FRISCH. Two of the children had godparents with their mother’s maiden name ZEIMES. Maria ZEIMES, a single woman, and Petrus ZEIMES vulgo (more commonly known as) ZENTGEN both of Huncherange.
All records for Huncherange and Noertzange on FamilySearch and Matricula were viewed. Two death records were found for persons with the ZEIMES name – Maria and Petrus. No children, parents, godparents, or other relatives with the surnames ZEIMES or FRISCH were found other than the baptismal records of the above-named children and the two death records.
In 1773 Maria ZEIMES age about 40, daughter of Nicolas ZEIMES and Maria HAUPERT died in Huncherange.8 In 1775 Petrus ZEIMES age about 40, son of Joannes ELM and Maria BRAUSCH of Abweiler, died in Huncherange.9 As their parents’ names were given and different, they were not siblings. But could they have been cousins? How were they related to Margaretha ZEIMES? Were they the same persons as Maria ZEIMES and Petrus ZEIMES who served as godparents for the FRISCH children? A godparent normally is at least 16 years old. Maria would have been about 13 in 1746 and Peter 12 in 1747 if the ages at death are close estimates. Too young to be godparents but, if their age at death was in their forties, they may have been old enough.
I took a closer look at the description on Matricula for the records classified under Hüncheringen or Huncherange. In the 18th century, there were two parishes in Fenningen or Fennange and Noertzingen or Noertzange (with a branch in Hüncheringen). From 1804 Fenningen and Hüncheringen belonged to the parish of Noertzingen as branches. It was also noted that some church registers for this parish for the 17th and 18th centuries are still in the possession of civil authorities and are not available to the Diocesan Archives of Luxembourg. No mention was made of which records these may be. I opened up each set of registers for the time period and compared them with those available on FamilySearch. The records missing on Matricula are on FamilySearch. On Matricula, substitutes for the missing records are available in the form of transcriptions of births, marriages, and deaths for Huncherange, Noertzange, and Fennange. These transcriptions are dated 1973.
I browsed the KB-08, a church book in the Huncherange collection that includes baptisms for Fennange for 1704-1796. This book is not available on FamilySearch. I discovered a baptismal record dated 14 April 1727 for Margaretha ZEUMES, daughter of Nicolai ZEUMES ex Schuveiler and Regina HUPERT ex Abweiler, with godparents Anthonio KAUFFMAN and Margaretha HUPERT of Abweiler.10
ZEUMES is a variation of ZEIMES and HUPERT a variation of HAUPERT. Could this be my 5th great-grandmother Margaretha ZEIMES? Was she the sister of Maria ZEIMES? If this child was my ancestor, she would have been 19 years old at the time of her first child’s birth. [For those of you paying close attention to the records, yes, the mother’s first name is different from the first name of the mother of Maria ZEIMES mentioned earlier. Maria’s death record is a mess. Her father’s name is Nicolai ZEIMES in the death record but if you look closely it may have been Joannes Nicolai ZEIMES.]
Since this baptismal record was only found on Matricula, I wonder how many more records have been missed or are missing on FamilySearch? Matricula has gone to the top of my list right after FamilySearch for the place to search for Luxembourg records.
Margaretha, widowed with 5 children in 1759
Joannes FRISCH died on 12 October 1759 in Huncherange.11 His age at death is hidden in the gutter of the church book filmed by FamilySearch. The transcription of this book found on Matricula includes his age at death. This is not surprising as the 1973 transcriptions must have been done from the original records before they were microfilmed by FamilySearch. Joannes was 46 years old and therefore born about 1713.12
Margaretha was now widowed with five children ages 12, 9, 7, 4, and 2. What did she do to support her family? Did she have relatives in the village? Her husband had been a linen weaver. Could he have been working for another weaver in the village? Did Margaretha continue to do the same kind of work? In whatever way, she was able to raise her five children to adulthood. They were well into their twenties before they married and left home.
The children begin to leave home, marry, and have children
At the age of 23, her second son Joannes FRISCH (1750-1816) married Marie Catherine NIEDERKORN (1753-1818) on 10 January 1774 in Noertzange.13 They made their home in Huncherange where their first child, a son named Dominique was born. The first grandchild of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES was baptized on 1 April 1776 in Noertzange.14
Two more marriages took place before more grandchildren were born. Elisabetha FRISCH (1752-1834) was 24 years old when she married Henri HOSTERT (1747-1793) on 5 November 1776 in Noertzange.15 The oldest FRISCH son, Petrus was 29 years old when he married Anna KREMMER (1749-1808) on 10 February 1777 in Dudelange.16
Eighteen grandchildren were born between 1776 and 1789. Three of the grandchildren did not survive leaving fifteen grandchildren living in 1789.
To Petrus and his wife were born Michael 1778, Martin 1781, Maria 1782, Jean 1785, and Michael 1788.
To Joannes and his wife were born Michael 1777, Johann 1778, Jacob 1780 (died 1781), Jacob 1782 (died 1784), Jacob 1784, Elisabetha 4 April 1787 (died age 5 days), and Michael 1788.
To Elisabeth and her husband were born Jeanne 1777, Elisabeth 1780, Maria 1782, Carolus 1785, and Margaretha 1787.
Petrus’ children were born in Dudelange and Joannes’ in Huncherange. Elisabeth’s first three daughters were born in Huncherange. Her HOSTERT family moved to Mamer before the birth of her son Carolus in 1785. This move may have influenced Margaretha’s youngest son Jacob FRISCH to marry in Mamer.
Jacob was 33 years old when he married Regina HUBERTY (1761-1840) on 3 March 1789 in Mamer.17 Jacob and Regina were my 4th great-grandparents. They made their home in the village of Capellen in the municipality of Mamer.
Jacob’s siblings continued to have children. Elisabeth had Magdalena in 1790. Joannes’s wife gave birth to Christophorus the same year in Huncherange. Petrus’ wife had Stephanus in 1791 in Dudelange. Joannes’ wife had Marguerite in 1792 in Huncherange. The children born to Petrus and Joannes’ wives were their last. Elisabeth’s daughter Margaretha died at the age of 3 years in December 1790.
Margaretha ZEIMES’ youngest daughter was 34 years old when she finally decided to marry. Joanna married Joannes PIRSCH (1750-1821) on 23 April 1792 in Weimerskirch.18 He was a widowed shoemaker.
Following this marriage, Margaretha would see two more grandchildren born. Susanna, the first child of Jacob and Regina, was born on 26 June 1792 in Capellen.19 Elisabeth’s last HOSTERT child, Jean was born three months later in Mamer.
Margaretha ZEIMES dies in Mamer in 1792
Margaretha ZEIMES, the widow of the linen weaver Joannes FRISCH, died on 1 December 1792 in Mamer at the age of 64.20 She had seen all of her five children marry. She had 20 living grandchildren; four had not survived infancy. Her youngest child Joanna was pregnant with her first child.
Elisabeth’s husband Henri HOSTERT died on 2 April 1793.21 Their youngest son Jean died the same month. These deaths were followed by the birth of Joanna’s first child Bernard PIRSCH born in May 1793 in Dommeldange (Luxembourg City). Sadly, he died a month later. Elisabeth who had already lost her husband and youngest son two months earlier had to bury another child when her daughter Maria died at the age of 11.
Elisabeth, widowed with four children, was 41 years old when she married 31 years old Peter GOERGEN (1762-1833). Peter was a linen weaver like Elisabeth’s father, late husband, and her brother Jacob FRISCH who was a witness to the marriage on 6 March 1794 in Mamer.22
The following month, my ancestor Jacob became a father for the second time. Anna Margaretha was born on 24 April 1794 in Capellen.23
The first of Joannes and Margaretha’s children dies in Dudelange
Petrus, the oldest son of Margaretha ZEIMES and Joannes FRISCH, died on 17 May 1794 in Dudelange at the age of 46, the same age as his father.24 He left a wife and at least three living children of six known to have been born to his wife. Death records for the three oldest have not been searched for. It is possible that they may not have survived their father. The three youngest married and had children.
Six more grandchildren were born: Catharina PIRSCH in 1794 in Dommeldange, Mathias GOERGEN in 1795 in Hostert, Franciscus FRISCH in 1796 in Capellen, Theodor GOERGEN in 1797 in Oberanven, Nicolaus FRISCH in 1798 in Capellen, and finally Elisabeta FRISCH, my 3rd great-grandmother, in 1800.
The turn of the century brings confusing and conflicting records
There is some conflicting evidence concerning Elisabeta’s birth and her father’s death. The civil records show 44 years old Jacob FRISCH died on 11 March 180025 in Capellen three months before his daughter Elisabeta was born on 2 June 1800 in Capellen. Her mother was the informant for her birth and her father Jacob FRISCH was named as deceased.26 Church records, on the other hand, tell a different story. Elisabeta was born on 5 April 1800 and baptized the following day.27 Her father died on 7 April 1800, the day after her baptism.28 Official civil registration was introduced in the Grand Duchy by a French decree in 1797. From this time forward church records were no longer considered legal documents. When Elisabeta married in 1827 the date of her civil birth record was noted on her marriage record and not the date on the church record.
Margaretha and Joannes’ son Jacob, therefore per civil records, died three months before their last grandchild was born. Three of their children were still living after the turn of the century. Their son Joannes died 30 July 1816 in Bettembourg at the age of 65,29 daughter Elisabetha died 13 January 1834 in Hostert at the age of 81,30 and daughter Joanna died 13 February 1836 in Dommeldange at the age of 78.31
The legacy left by Joannes FRISCH
My fifth great-grandfather Joannes FRISCH left a legacy for his descendants. What he passed on to them was not a gift of money or property. He passed on the trade of weaving linen. His son Petrus was a weaver, his son Jacob was a linen weaver, and his daughter Elisabeth’s husbands were both linen weavers. Not all of his children took up the weaving trade. His son Joannes was a cobbler and his daughter Joanna married a shoemaker.
Joannes FRISCH left a legacy but no records that helped to determine his parentage. His wife Margaretha ZEIMES may have been the daughter of Nicolas ZEIMES and Regina HAUPERT. No further records have been found for them. Maybe one day…
Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mamer > Mariages 1838-1890 Décès 1796-1880 > image 541 of 1497. 1800 Death Record (right page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12143-121167-96?cc=1709358 : accessed 29 November 2015). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). ↩
Ibid., Microfilm GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1790 – 1804, image 122 of 128, page 235 (stamped), 6th entry. 1800 Burial Record. (http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=122 : accessed 2 October 2018). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). ↩
The story of my 5th great-grandparents Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794) of Mamer and Anna BERNARD (1742-ca.1763) begins with the birth of my 4th great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY on 3 March 1761.1 Born in Nospelt as the illegitimate daughter of Anna and Peter, Regina was legitimized when her parents married three and a half months later on 16 June 1761 in the parish of Schoenberg.2 Peter was from Mamer and Anna was from Nospelt.
Nospelt is a village in the commune of Kehlen, in south-western Luxembourg. It is known above all for its potters who were particularly successful during the 19th century. The origins of Nospelt’s pottery production go back to 1458.3 Nospelt celebrates its former potteries on Easter Monday with a traditional folk festival. The Emaischen festival, held in Nospelt and Luxembourg City, features little bird-shaped whistles made out of clay. The whistles are called Péckvillercher.4
Anna BERNARD (1742-ca. 1763)
Anna BERNARD, born in Nospelt, was baptized JoannaBERENS on 24 May 1742 in Schoenberg. She was the daughter of Mathias BERENS aka Mathias BERNARD and Marguerite BIREN. Her godparents were Joanna SCHOUMERS and Theodorus WEBERS, both of Nospelt.5
Anna had five documented siblings. From 1728 to 1745 five children were born to Mathias BERENS and his wife Marguerite in Nospelt and baptized in Schoenberg.
Maria on 24 March 1728[^6]
Barbara on 31 March 1737[^7]
Nicolas on 21 November 1739[^8]
Joanna (Anna) on 24 May 1742
Margaretha on 11 March 1745[^9]
Large gaps between the births suggest that there may have been several miscarriages, baptisms that were not recorded, or the couple could have lived in a different place during the early years of their marriage. They are assumed to have married about the time their first child was born.
No baptismal record was found for their oldest known daughter Elisabeth who was born about 1720. When she married Jean BETTENDORFF on 18 December 1841 her parents’ names were recorded as Mathias BERNARD and Marguerite BIREN.6
Of the BERENS children, only Elisabeth and Anna were found to have married and had children. Elisabeth’s children were born between 1743 and 1769 The records are a timeline of the surname changes. As with Mathias and Marguerite’s children from 1728 to 1745, Elisabeth’s children baptized between 1743 and 1749 all had their mother’s maiden name recorded as BERENS.7, 8, 9 From 1759 to 1769 the name was spelled BERNARD.10, 11, 12, 13 In 1766 a set of twins was born and survived only five days.14 On both of their baptismal records, the mother’s maiden name was spelled BERNARDI. When Elisabeth died in 1797 her maiden name was still spelled BERNARD.15
Catherine and Anna’s father Mathias was born 10 October 1700 in Nospelt to Leonard BERENTZ and his wife Catharina.16 He had one known sibling, a brother Theodor born in 1697.17 No marriage or death records were found for Leonard and Catharina. Mathias’ surname evolved from BERENTZ to BERENS to BERNARD from 1700 to 1759.
Mathias’ wife Margaretha BIREN’s parentage is unknown. Her maiden name was discovered in her daughter Elisabeth’s 1741 marriage record. A death record for Margaretha has not been found. She died between 1745 and 1759. Her husband Mathias died on 25 May 1759. His death/burial record confirms he was the widower of Margaretha BIREN.18
When Anna BERNARD and Peter HUBERTY’s daughter Regina was baptized in 1761, they chose Anna’s brother-in-law Jean BETTENDORFF to be her godfather. This close family connection further proves that Elisabeth and Anna were sisters.
Anna gave birth to another daughter who was baptized on 20 May 1762. Anna and Peter chose Joannes HUBERTY of Mamer to be the godfather and Catharina DECKER, also of Mamer, to be the godmother of their daughter Catherine.19
Anna likely died between 1762 and 1765 as her husband Peter HUBERTY was having children with a new wife as early as February 1766.
Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794)
The lack of church records for Mamer before 1779 makes it hard to take the paternal line of my fourth great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY further back. Last week’s research helped to discover her maternal line as well as find the HUBERTY family group that Peter HUBERTY likely descends from.
Following Anna’s death, Peter returned to the parish of Mamer to live in Capellen with his daughters Regina and Catherine. Peter married Johanna MALESS after Anna’s death and before 1766. The place and time of marriage are unknown. There is no record of a marriage in Luxembourg per the index for marriages before 1797.
Around April 1766, a general census of the entire country of Luxembourg was made. The census is very detailed, giving: the number of houses in each locality; the number of inhabitants, divided into four categories by sex and age (men over and under 16, women over and under 14); the number of households, the classification of inhabitants according to their marital state and profession. The census was carried out by deanships and parishes. Some of it is, unfortunately, missing, including the deanship of Luxembourg (city area).20
The parish of Mamer is one of the missing parishes. Peter and Johanna would have been listed with Peter’s two daughters, Regina and Catherine, from his first marriage, as well as Catherine, the first daughter born to his second marriage if she survived.
Peter’s sister-in-law Elisabeth BERNARD and her husband Jean BETTENDORFF were living in Nospelt and enumerated on the 1766 census with two sons.21 Their three oldest sons, all over 16 years old, were missing in their father’s household and likely working and living outside of the family home. One of the sons, Jean born in 1746 has not been traced after his baptism and may not have survived. The other two sons married several years after the 1766 census.
Per the family register of Mamer, Peter and his second wife had three children whose baptisms were recorded in the (missing) parish records. Catherine was baptized on 22 February 1766, Susanne on 12 June 1767, and Pierre on 12 June 1771.22 Catherine and Pierre may not have survived infancy. [Research to-do: search the parish death/burial records of Mamer when available.]
Following the births of these three children, things were quiet on the document front until 1789 when my 4th great-grandparents married. Peter and Anna’s oldest daughter, Regina HUBERTY married Jacob FRISCH (1755-1800) on 3 March 1789 in Mamer.23
Less than a year later Peter’s second daughter Catherine married Nicolas OLINGER (1755-1809) in Schoenberg on 7 January 1790. 24
In 1791 and 1792 the first two granddaughters of Peter HUBERTY and his deceased wife Anna BERNARD were born. Regina OLINGER born in 1791 to Catherine and Jean BETTENDORFF was named after her aunt Regina HUBERTY.25 Susanna FRISCH born in 1792 to Regina and Jacob FRISCH was named after her aunt Susanna HUBERTY.26
Peter’s second wife Johanna MALESS died on 23 May 1793 in Capellen at the age of about 66 years. Her husband was listed as a day laborer. She was buried the next day.27
Peter died a little over a year later on 4 June 1794 in Capellen at the age of about 75 years and was buried the following day.28
Peter and Johanna’s daughter Susanne married Henri BREISTROFF (1767-1844) in Luxembourg-St Jean on 16 November 1795.29 They made their home in Stadtgrund.
On 31 August 1796, Catherine HUBERTY served as the godmother of Franciscus FRISCH, son of her sister Regina.30 Regina had asked both her full sister Catherine and her half-sister Susanne to be godmothers of two of her children.
Regina was widowed in 180031 and remarried on 21 December 1801 in Mamer to Peter KALMES (1760-1833).32
Susanne died in 1829, her husband would outlive her by 14 years.33,34 Catherine who had been widowed in 180935 died a week after Susanne.36 Regina, the oldest child of Peter, outlived her second husband who died in 1833.37 She died in 1840 in Capellen.38
Speculation on the parentage of Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794)
No records are available at this time to prove the parentage of Peter HUBERTY, husband of Anna BERNARD and Johanna MALESS. Peter was born. Peter died at the age of about 75 in 1794, therefore was born about 1718-1719. In the family register of Mamer, there are two couples named HUBERTY who were having children in Mamer when Peter was born.
The first family was that of Adamus HUBERTY and his wife Magdalena ex LOENERTZ (in domo LOENERTZ). They had a son named Peter who married Anna HANNEN in 1744. This lady died on 17 January 1793 in Holzem and was described as the widow of Petrus HUBERTY of Holzem. My Peter was still living, resided in Capellen, was not the husband of Anna HANNEN, and consequently cannot have been the son of Adamus HUBERTY and his wife Magdalena.
This leaves the family of Peter HUBERTY and Johanna ex MELLERJANS. They had a son named Peter baptized on 14 March 1718, a son named Joannes baptized on 22 September 1720, and a daughter Catherine baptized on 13 June 1726. When Peter’s second daughter Catherine was baptized on 20 May 1762, he chose a man named Joannes HUBERTY of Mamer. The godfather was likely an uncle, brother of Peter. Hence it is possible that Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794) was the son of Peter HUBERTY and Johanna ex MELLERJANS and the brother of Joannes HUBERTY born in 1720.
Vannerus Jules. Les anciens dénombrements du Luxembourg. In: Compte-rendu des séances de la commission royale d’histoire. Deuxième Série, Tome 11, 1901. pp. 434-435. (https://doi.org/10.3406/bcrh.1901.2322 : accessed 12 April 2021) ↩
Luxembourg, 1766 Dénombrement (census), (images), FamilySearch (Digitial copy of the microfilm of originals in the Archives Générales du Royaume, Bruxelles, includes localities now in Luxembourg and Liège, Belgium), Film 1781980, DGS 8198978 > Decanat de Mersch: v. 1 A-E: > Nospelt (paroisse de Kehlen) > image 605 of 618 > household number 10. 1766 Census for Jean Bettendorff and family. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLL-99Q9-H?i=604&cat=1184675 : accessed 13 April 2021). ↩
Ibid., Microfilm GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1790 – 1804, image 122 of 128, page 235 (stamped), 6th entry. 1800 Burial Record. (http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=122 : accessed 2 October 2018). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). ↩
The following are examples of Regina’s family groups:1, 2
The church records for the years 1790-1804 are missing at FamilySearch for the parish of Mamer and affiliated villages. The collection Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1790-1804 is only a handwritten index to church records for the given years. The Luxembourg diocese has since added church records to Matricula Online including this missing register for Mamer. With the records available for the time Regina lived, I set out to open the door in her brick wall.
Reviewing Records and Research
I still have many 5th great-grandparents who have not been written about on my blog. The parents of my 4th great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY are one of these couples. Only their names were known. In the case of her mother, there were conflicting names.
Regina was married twice. Both marriages and all of her children are noted in the Mamer register entries above. Few records were found in 2018 to confirm the information and I could only reference the register for the children. Regina’s children from both of her marriages were born between 1792 and 1808. Church records are available for 1779 to 1793 and civil records from 1796 to 1923 on FamilySearch. Therefore, baptismal records were not available for seven of her eight children.
Regina’s marriage records had been found and as much information as possible was gleaned from them.
On 3 March 1789, there being no impediment to the marriage, the priest of Mamer and two witnesses were present when Jacob FRISCH, son of the deceased Joannis FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMET of Huncherange, was united with Regina HUBERTY, daughter of Petri HUBERTY and the deceased Anna BENNERT.3
The names of the parents matched those in the family register except for Regina’s mother’s name. Her maiden name was recorded as LENNERT in the family register but after a closer perusal of the marriage record, I found the name was written BENNERT. The capital L and B are often confused in the old script as they are similar to the lower case l and b when written in cursive.
Regina HUBERTY married Peter KALMES on 21 December 1801 in Mamer.4
Her parents were listed as Peter HUBERTY and Johannata BEREND. Which of the two marriage records for Regina give the correct name for her mother? Were Anna BENNERT and Johannata BEREND the same person? What other sources could I check to solve this question?
Family Relationships and Godparents
As I reviewed the information I had for Regina’s parents, husbands, and children, I made a list of the records to check on Matricula that might help to answer the question of her parentage. I began with the names Peter HUBERTY and Johannata BEREND aka Anna BENNERT. I had no information on them. No known siblings for Regina who might lead to the shared parents.
Normally when children are baptized the godparents are chosen from both sides of the family. Regina’s children’s godparents could lead to siblings of both parents. Although I knew the names of the godparents from the family register, there was no information on where they were from or if they were married. Both of these could be indicators of the relationship between the godparent and the child and his/her parents.
For Regina’s children, in the family register, it was noted that her daughter Susanna FRISCH’s godmother was Susanna HUBERTY and her son Franciscus FRISCH’s godmother was Catharina HUBERTY.
I hadn’t seen Franciscus’ baptismal record until I searched for it last week on Matricula. His godmother was listed as Catharina HUBERTY uxor Nicolai OLINGER figols Nospelt = Catharina wife of Nicolas, a potter from Nospelt.
A search for Catherine’s marriage in an index of the Luxembourg marriages before 1797 turned up this information:5
Nicolas OLINGER and Catherine HUBERTI
Married: 07 Jan 1790 in Schoenberg
Parents: Jean OLINGER (+) – Anne KREMER (+)
Parents: Pierre HUBERTI – Anne BERNARD (+)
Susanna’s baptismal record from 1792 had originally been found on FamilySearch as the years 1779-1793 are available. However, I had missed an important detail in the record. The godmother was listed as Susanna HUBERTI amita. She was an aunt (Latin: amita) of the child and therefore Regina’s sister. No husband is mentioned suggesting she may not have been married at the time. A search for a possible marriage for Susanna turned up this information:6
Nicolas BREISDORF and Susanne HUBERTI
Married: 16 Nov 1795 in Luxembourg-St Jean
Parents: Nicolas BREISDORF (+) – Susanne VELTER (+)
Parents: Pierre HUBERTI (+) – Jeannette MALLES (+)
The (+) indicates the person was deceased at the time of the noted marriage. Regina’s father was living in 1789 when she married and her mother was deceased. This matches up with Pierre HUBERTI living in 1790 when Catherine married. Regina’s father died on 4 June 17947 and therefore deceased by 1795 when Susanna married. The date of death for Pierre HUBERTI was proven by elimination and will be discussed in another post.
It is possible that Regina, Catherine, and Susanna had the same father. The mother of Regina and Catherine appear to be the same person.
In the family register of Mamer, there are 10 pages of information on HUBERTY families beginning with the earliest two families recorded in the missing church records. In the second generation, there is a Peter (Joannes) HUBERTY and Johanna MALESS who had three children: Catharina in 1766, Susanna in 1767, and Petrus in 1771.8 Church records for these births/baptisms are not available on Matricula or FamilySearch.
A marriage record for the HUBERTY-MALESS couple was not found. MALESS and MALLES could be different spellings for the same name. As the baptismal records for the children are not available, I put this aside for later reference, keeping in mind that the daughters Catharina and Susanna might be the godmothers of Regina’s children.
More pieces to the puzzle
If Catherine HUBERTY, wife of Nicolas OLINGER, and Regina were sisters then the baptismal records of the children of the OLINGER-HUBERTY couple might include godparents proving the siblingship.
Records for the first two children of the couple were quickly accessed as an index was found for baptisms in Schoenberg up to 1797 that included the year, entry number, and page number of the register. Their first child was a daughter named Regina and her godmother was Regina HUBERTY of Capellen.9
As Regina was the godmother of Catherine’s first child, can it be assumed that Pierre HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD listed Catherine’s parents on her marriage record are the parents of both Catharine and Regina?
I search for and located a marriage for Pierre HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD in the Luxembourg marriage index:10
Pierre HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD
Married: 16 Jun 1761 in Schoenberg
Parents: N. HUBERTI – N. N.
Parents: N. BERNARD – N. N.
Note: N. indicates unknown
The marriage record is a short two lines without information on the parents of either the bride or groom. Petrus HUBERTI was from Mamer and Anne BERNARD was from Nospelt.11
As the marriage took place in 1761, I searched the Schoenberg register for children of this marriage baptized between 1760 and 1770.
To my surprise, the first record I found confirmed my theory that Peter HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD were Regina’s parents and my 5th great-grandparents.
Regina was baptized on 3 March 1761, the daughter of Joanna BERENT of Nospelt and Petri HUBERTI of Mamer. The word illegitimate is crossed out. She was legitimized with the subsequent marriage of her parents three months later. Her godparents were Joannes BETTENDORFF and Regina KRANTZ both of Nospelt.12 At least one of these godparents would lead to the grandparents.
A sister Catherine was born/baptized on 20 May 1762 in Nospelt. Her parents’ names on the record were Petri HUBERTI and Anna BERNARD, the names seen on the marriage record.13 Born a year after Regina, she might be the same Catherine who married Nicolas OLINGER a year after Regina married.
No further baptisms were found in Nospelt suggesting the family moved to Mamer after May of 1762.
In the Family Register of Mamer, Regina is listed as the wife of Jacob FRISCH and of Peter KALMES in the respectively family group listings as they were married in Mamer and children were born in Capellen, a part of Mamer. Regina’s parents were from Capellen per both of her marriage records but Regina isn’t listed in any of the HUBERTY family groups. This is an indication that her parents did not marry in the Mamer parish and Regina was not born in Capellen or Mamer as was confirmed by the records found in Nospelt. Regina was not born in Capellen as indicated in her 1801 marriage record.
Admitting to a mistake
While reviewing and doing new research, I failed to read over Regina’s marriage records until I began to write this post. I found I’d misread Regina’s year of birth given on her second marriage record. This was my only source for her birth/baptism in 2018. I’d transcribed tausend sieben hundert sechzig vier (1764) instead of tausend sieben hundert sechzig eins (1761).
I should have realized the error as the marriage took place in 1801 and Regina was forty years old, i.e. born in 1761. However, I had allowed myself to be influenced by a date (13 March 1764) seen in a family tree. I’d noticed the date was the 3rd and not the 13th but I failed to see the word for the last digit in the year of birth was eins and not vier. Corrections have been made to the FamilySearch Family Tree and my online GEDCOM files on Luxracines, Ancestry (private/searchable), and Geneanet (ancestors-only for DNA).
Connecting the loose ends
While browsing the death records in the parish register of Mamer on Matricula, I found Joannetha MALES, wife of Peter HUBERTY, who died on 23 May 1793 in Capellen.14 Peter died the following year on 4 June 1794. Both were deceased in 1795 and the names match the names of the parents found on Susanna HUBERTY’s marriage record. Susanna was listed as the aunt of Susanna FRISCH, the oldest daughter of Regina HUBERTY, indicating Susanna and Regina were siblings. Regina’s mother was deceased in 1789 therefore they shared only a father, Peter HUBERTY, and were half-sisters.
The names found for Regina’s mother were: Joanna BERENT on the 1761 baptismal record, Anna BENNERT on the 1789 marriage record, and Johannata BEREND on the 1801 marriage records. In records for Regina’s sister Catherine, her mother was Anna BERNARD. Regina and Catherine were full sisters.
Regina’s godfather Joannes BETTENDORFF was the husband of Elisabeth BERNARD, daughter of Mathias BERNARD and Margaretha BIREN of Nospelt. It is my belief that Regina’s mother Anna/Joanna was a younger sister of Elisabeth.
Going through all baptismal records of the Kehlen parish to which Nospelt belonged, I found only one couple named BERENS with the first names Mathias and Margaretha. They had children from 1728 to 1745 including a daughter baptized on 24 May 1742 named Joanna BERENS.15 A baptismal record for Elisabeth who was born about 1720-1723 (married in December 1741) has not been found. The family name evolved from BERENS to BERENT to BERNARD.
It’s often hard to see the big picture. Hopefully, I have not confused my readers and you will agree with me that Regina HUBERTY’s mother was a lady named Anna (Joanna) BERNARD of Nospelt. Regina’s mother is no longer just a name but a person who has records that lead to her parents, siblings, and perhaps even grandparents.
Earlier this month I received an email from Tina CORNELY. She’d stumbled upon my blog AND loves the name! That was enough to get my attention. She also wrote:
My family tree has been pretty successful on both my maternal and paternal sides, and I have gotten as far back as the early medieval times. The odd thing is I can’t find any information about my great-great-grandfather John Feis CORNELY. John was born in 1857 Germany. That’s all I can dig up. I was just about to give up when I came across your blog.
That said, I still was unable to find his parents. However, I do know that he lived in Wyandot, Ohio which is where some of your relatives lived.
Any tips you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
John Feis CORNELY born in 1857 in Germany
Tina’s query didn’t include much information for me to go on. I suspected the birthplace and year of birth likely came from a census record. My search for a John CORNELY born in 1857 in Germany turned up this census record:
John F. COONLEY (surname on index corrected by a user to CORNELY) was enumerated in the 1900 census. The index shows he was born in Germany in May 1857. But wait, John’s age on the census index is 49 which would mean he was born about 1851.1
Let’s take a look at the census image.
The month and year of birth on the census image are May 1851 which fits with the age of 49. John and his wife Mary had been married for 17 years. Mary was the mother of six with only one living child in 1900. A son Edward F. age 15, born in Ohio, is listed in the household. The columns for citizenship (year of emigration to the US, the number of years in the US, and naturalization) are filled out with “Un” or unknown.
Very few online trees for Edward F. CORNELY were found. Only one had the names of his parents. The attached source for the parents was this 1900 census with the incorrect date and place of birth for John CORNELY. There are no parents listed for John in any of the trees found. No further information on John F. CORNELY. This was where Tina was stuck. But had I found the right person?
Three of the four suggested records (see on the right of the 1900 census result image above) were for Edward and mentioned his father John F. CORNELY.
I followed the son and found, in later census records, he gave his father’s birthplace as Luxembourg.2
Edward’s death certificate listed Feis CORNELY and Mary KEANY as his parents.3
The Social Security Applications and Claims Index listed John F. CORNELY and Mary KEANEY as the parents of Edward.4
Searching for records before 1900, I found Felix Edward CORNELY was born in Salem Township, Wyandot County, Ohio to J. F. CORNELY and Mary KEANEY on 11 February 1885.5 This matches the date listed on his death certificate and social security application.
John F. CORNELY and Mary KEANY were married in Wyandot County, Ohio on 10 November 1883.6 [Note: The bride’s maiden name was seen as KEANY and KEANEY and listed here as seen in each record.]
More information was found for John’s son and his descendants which led to Tina’s generation. With the line down from John to Tina confirmed, I turned to my relatives in Wyandot County who shared the CORNELY surname with this family.
The CORNELY family of Wyandot County, Ohio, and their connection to my line
My favorite was the post about a CORNELY family who emigrated from Luxembourg in 1854.
Jacques CORNELY (1800-1855) and his wife Magdalena KUNNERT (1807-1887) with their seven children arrived in America on 18 May 1854.7 Jacques died a little over a year later in October 1855.8 The widow was in Seneca County, Ohio in 18609 and in Wyandot County, Ohio in 187010 and 1880.11
Jacques and my 4th great-grandmother Catharina were first cousins. I learned about Jacques’ branch in my family tree when I found a DNA match for a descendant of Jacques and Magdalena’s only daughter Catherine.12
Could Tina’s John Feis CORNELY be related to my CORNELY family?
If the information in the indexation of the 1900 census had been correct, then John F. CORNELY couldn’t have been the son of Jacques and Magdalena as the father of the family died in 1855.
However, by taking a closer look at the census record, I found John F. “Feis” CORNELY was born in May 1851 and, per later census records of his son, his birthplace was likely Luxembourg.
The youngest son of Jacques CORNELY was named Johann when he was born on 4 May 1851 in Obercorn, Luxembourg.13 This son was seen in 1860 as Jacob age 8, in 1870 as John age 18, and in 1880 as J.F. age 29 in the household of his mother Magdalena. Not uncommon in Luxembourg families, there were two sons named Johann. In 1860 the elder was listed as John and the younger as Jacob, most likely to keep them apart.
In 1870 and 1880 they were living in Salem Township, Wyandot County, Ohio. The same county that the 1883 marriage for John F. CORNELY and Mary KEANEY was found, the same township that their son Edward was born in.
A newspaper article written in 1899 further supports the theory that J.F. CORNELY of Wyandot County is the same person as John F. CORNELY seen in the 1900 census listing in Putnam County, Florida.14
We received a pleasant call Tuesday afternoon from an old Wyandot County friend, Mr. J. F. Cornely, now a resident of West Mansfield where he operates a saw mill. He has arranged to go to Florida next fall as a member of the Northern Colony that has secured 24000 acres of land near Palatka and therefore is going to dispose of his mill at West Mansfield at Public Sale, Saturday, June 17. This colony was organized by the Chicago Farm, Field and Fireside and consists of some 200 families among its patrons in the different states who expect to locate on their new possessions in the Peninsular state this coming fall. Each head of a family buys as much of the land at $10 per acre as he can pay for and makes his own selection. The colony proposes to devote its energies to farming. We wish our esteemed friend success both in the sale of his saw mill at West Mansfield and in his proposed home in Florida.
Lastly, a broad search for CORNELY in Florida on Newspaper.com turned up a notice for the funeral services of John F. CORNELY. His son Edward arrived on 4 November 1908 in Tampa, attended the funeral on the 6th, and then returned to Jacksonville the following day. No widow was listed.15 A record of his death, other than the clipping, was not found.
Quick Tip: View the Image Before Attaching it to Your Family Tree
When the 1900 census hint was accepted and attached to the trees on Ancestry, the incorrectly indexed birth date and birthplace for John F. CORNELY was added to his biographical information throwing up a brick wall that hid his parentage. The wrong birth date was also found on FamilySearch‘s Family Tree citing the 1900 census as the source!
Before accepting the information generated (indexed) by Ancestry and adding the record to your family tree, take the time to view the image and read the lines referenced in the index. Then, when saving the record to the person of interest in your tree, be sure to pay close attention to the extracted information and correct the incorrectly indexed information. It may take a few moments but will save you time later correcting errors in your family tree.
Proof that blogging is cousin bait
My posts on my CORNELY family were found by Tina who wrote to me and shared her brick wall. Solving it, I gained a new cousin. We are 6th cousins once removed, sharing Pierre CORNELY (1720-1793) and Marie SCHINTGEN (1725-bef. 1793), my 6th great-grandparents.
Tina thanked me by kindly sharing this picture of her great-great-grandparents, John Feis CORNELY and Mary KEANY.
From evidence found, Tina’s John F. CORNELY was the youngest of Jacques and Magdalena’s children. A young boy who survived the wreck of the ship Black Hawk, marked his 3rd birthday on the Currituck, and stepped onto American soil in New York – all within a month. A young man who supported his mother in her years of widowhood in Ohio. A husband and father who sold his sawmill in Ohio to acquire land in Florida.
Many thanks to Tina for sharing and allowing me to write about her brick wall.
One door opened only to find another closed door
Another mystery in the CORNELY family was discovered while I was searching for records to connect Tina’s family to mine. Two CORNELY men were already living in Seneca County, Ohio when Jacques CORNELY’s family came to America and first settled in Seneca County in 1854. They were not children of Jacques and Magdalena who might have paved the way for the family’s move to America. They may have been close or distant cousins and their place in the family tree will have to be found.
1900 U.S. Federal Census, (index and images), Ancestry, citing Twelfth Census of the United States, 1900 population schedule, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C., NARA microfilm publication T623, 1854 rolls, FHL microfilm: 1240176, Florida, Putnam County, Precinct 19, Enumeration District 150, Page 7A, line 17-19, John F. Cornely. The official enumeration day of the 1900 census was 1 June 1900. (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 14 March 2021). ↩
1920 U.S. Federal Census, (index and images), Ancestry, citing Fourteenth Census of the United States, 1920 population schedule, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington, D.C., NARA microfilm publication T625, 2076 rolls, Roll: T625_219, Florida, Duval, Mandarin, Enumeration District: 83, Page: 9A, lines 3-6, Edward F. Cornely. The official enumeration day of the 1920 census was 1 January 1920. (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 14 March 2021). ↩
“South Carolina, U.S., Death Records, 1821-1968,” (index and images), Ancestry, citing South Carolina Death Records, South Carolina Department of Archives and History, Columbia, South Carolina. Edward Felix Cornely, born 11 Feb 1885, died 2 Aug 1958 in Abbeville SC, parents Feis Cornely and Mary Cornely. (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 14 March 2021). ↩
“U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007,” (index only), Ancestry, citing original data: Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007, Edward Felix Cornely, SSN 719072511. Male, white, born 11 Feb 1885 in Salem Twp, WY (sic, Wyandot), Ohio, father John F Cornely, mother Mary Keaney, Apr 1937: Name listed as Edward Felix Cornely. (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 14 March 2021). ↩
“New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957,” index and images, Ancestry, citing Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, New York, 1820-1897. Microfilm Publication M237, 675 rolls. NAI: 6256867. Records of the U.S. Customs Service, Record Group 36. National Archives at Washington, D.C. Microfilm Serial: M237, 1820-1897, Roll 139, Arrival: 1854 New York, New York, List number 496, Line 304-312, Cornely family. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 26 February 2020) ↩
Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 26 February 2020), memorial page for Jacob Cornely (19 May 1810–15 Oct 1855), Find A Grave Memorial no. 47794946, citing Saint Mary Catholic Cemetery, Kirby, Wyandot County, Ohio, USA; Maintained by Gathering Roots (contributor 47213048). ↩
1860 U.S. Federal Census, (index and images), Ancestry, citing Eighth Census of the United States, 1860 population schedule, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C., NARA microfilm publication M653, 1,438 rolls, Roll: M653_1034, Family History Library Film: 805034, Ohio, Seneca County, Big Spring, sheet 42 (stamped) back (42B), page 84, lines 11-18, HH #594-574, Magdalena Cornelia. The official enumeration day of the 1860 census was 1 June 1860. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 26 February 2020). ↩
1870 U.S. Federal Census, (index and images), Ancestry, citing Ninth Census of the United States, 1870 population schedule, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C., NARA microfilm publication T132, 13 rolls, Roll: M593_1284, Family History Library Film: 552783, Ohio, Wyandot County, Salem, page 810B, lines 9-11, HH #27-27, Magdaline Cornelius. The official enumeration day of the 1870 census was 1 June 1870. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 26 February 2020). ↩
1880 U.S. Federal Census, (index and images), Ancestry, citing Tenth Census of the United States, 1880 population schedule, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C., NARA microfilm publication T9, 1,454 rolls, Roll: 1079, Ohio, Wyandot County, Salem, Enumeration District 163, page 467B, lines 10-12, HH #193, Magdalena Cornely. The official enumeration day of the 1880 census was 1 June 1880. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 26 February 2020). ↩
“Local Department” item concerning J.F. Cornely, The Union County Journal (Marysville, Ohio), Thursday, 8 June 1899, p. 5, col. 2; image copy, Newspapers.com, (https://www.newspapers.com : accessed 23 March 2021). ↩
“Funeral Services” of John F. Cornely, Tampa Bay Times (St. Petersburg, Florida), Saturday, 7 Nov 1908, p. 1, col. 6; image copy, Newspapers.com, (https://www.newspapers.com : accessed 26 March 2021). ↩
As I mentioned at the end of the post, J. had a follow-up question.
Another question, how do you proceed if you don’t have the date of birth or place? For instance, the father Johann Peter Garnich. How would I look for his father?
I hadn’t put her off with my lengthy answer and she appeared interested in learning. So once again I sent off a detailed reply.
Finding the date of marriage in the ten-year index
I was expecting your next question. That’s the reason I mentioned the tables décennales (TD) in my previous email.
BTW, the ten-year indexes (tables décennales) are very helpful when you know the name and place but not the date of birth, marriage, or death (BMD). For each 10-year period, you will find 3 lists (BMD) that include the name of the person and the date of the event. With the date of the event, you can follow the previous directions to find the record.
If a couple was having children in a commune, it was often also the place they married. By searching the tables décennales of Bettembourg where the child was born, you should be able to find a date of marriage for the parents in turn aiding you in finding the marriage record.
Details in marriage records
Marriage records are amazing due to the details they contain. They include the following information for the groom and the bride: name, occupation, age, place of residence, date and place of birth, names of the parents. This is followed by information for the parents: names, occupation, age, and place of residence. If any of the parents are deceased, the date and place of death are given. Four witnesses (name, age, occupation, residence) are also given and their relationship to the bride or groom is usually mentioned.
In my early days of research, I quickly learned marriage records had enough information to take me back a generation at a time.
As an aside, Luxracines has a very large database of civil marriages in Luxembourg (complete). It includes marriages of Luxembourgers in the bordering areas of Belgium (a work in progress) and Germany as well as several large cities (Paris, for example) known to have had workers from Luxembourg. Luxracinces is now accepting subscriptions for the year 2021 giving members access to the website and databases until January 2022. See the section on Becoming a Member on the Luxracines website. [I included this as she had initiated contact on the website.]
The entry in the tables décennales
Your couple of interest is in the above-mentioned marriage database with a date of marriage in Bettembourg in 1883. Without this information, you could have looked at the tables décennales to find their names and date of marriage. This is the page they are on in the TD on FamilySearch:
Click on the tiles button to view the small images. You can see the difference between the lists for births and deaths and the list for marriages. The marriage list always has two names and therefore looks different from the birth and death lists making it easy to navigate the images and each batch of 10 years.
Now that you have the date of marriage, I’ll let you search for the record. When you find the marriage record, let me know and I’ll try to help you decipher the handwriting and point out the information from the record.
Locating the marriage record
Less than two hours later, J. sent me three links. The first was for a marriage record from 1884 instead of 1883. I had failed to be more precise about the index’s location in the marriage register. The second link she sent was the index to the 1883 marriages and included the names of the couple. The third link she sent was the link to the actual 1883 marriage record. Good work!
A detail I failed to pass on to J. is that the index is normally at the end of the year. She needed to go back through the images to find the record instead of forward from the index (i.e. the reason she found the 1884 marriage record first).
Before I went into the details concerning the marriage record, I gave J. some advice on citing the source of the marriage record.
Cite your Source
If you click on the Information tab at the bottom of the screen and scroll down in the small window, you will find the citation. Click on Copy Citation to save it. This will be extremely helpful when you want to point someone else to the marriage record. If the link is ever changed the waypoints > will help you or them to find the record again.
I always replace the date following the link with “accessed [the date accessed]” for later reference.
Annotations and translation of the marriage record
The marriage record of Johann Peter GARNICH and Elisabeth SCHELTGEN is in German, the official language used at this time in Luxembourg.
This is the first part of the marriage record which deals with the groom.
In the year 1883, the 22nd of May at 5 o’clock in the afternoon, (followed by the name of the civil servant of the commune of Bettembourg in Luxembourg) came before us Johann Peter Garnich (occupation), 28 years old, born in Bettembourg the 8 November 1854, a resident of Bettembourg, of age son of the here present and consenting parents Peter Garnich and Katharina Wind, a married couple, farmers living in Bettembourg. The civil birth record of the groom was found in the register of this commune.
Part two with the information on the bride:
And Elisabeth Scheltgen, without an occupation, 25 years old, born in Bergem in the commune of Monnerich (Mondercange)the 11 January 1858, a resident of Bergem, of age daughter of the here present and consenting parents Michel Scheltgen, an innkeeper, and Helena Nicola, without an occupation, residents of Bergem. An abstract of the birth record of the bride was furnished.
Part three concerning the banns, records read at the marriage, etc.
Who have asked us to proceed to the consummation of their marriage as agreed between them, and their proclamations, [place and date of the first reading of the banns, place and date of the second reading of the banns] were read the Sundays 6th and 13th of this month of May in this commune in the commune of Monnerich (Mondercange).
Since no objection to the intended marriage has been announced to us, we give justice to their request; and after we have read out all the above-mentioned acts (birth records) and the sixth chapter of the civil code, entitled Marriage, we have asked the bridegroom and the bride whether they will take each other as husband and wife; since both replied, each specially and in the affirmative, we declare in the name of the law that Johann Peter Garnich and ElisabethScheltgen are united by marriage.
This is the last part of the marriage record.
Of all this, we have established this act in the presence of: Nikolaus Mootz, without occupation, 88 years resident of Bettembourg, not related to bride and groom Jakob Hoscheit, (occupation) 29 years old, resident of Bettembourg, not related Bernard Klinsch, day laborer, 37 years old, resident of Bettembourg, not related Johann Kunsch, day laborer, 21 years old, resident of Bettembourg, not related Who, after reading all to them, signed with us. The mother of the bride declared not being able to write.
[Followed by signatures of the bride, groom, parents, 4 witnesses, and the civil servant]
The bride Elisabeth must have gone by Lisa as she signed Scheltgen Lisa. I thought this was an interesting detail and makes it more personal.
Occupation of the groom and the 2nd witness
Now it’s your turn to help J. I was not able to decipher the occupation of the groom on this marriage record. The second witness appears to have had the same occupation. If anyone can help out, I’ll pass the information on to J.
As a member of the board of my Luxembourgish genealogy society Luxracines, I receive copies of the emails from visitors to our website. Often they are in French or German and answered by other members of the board. When they are in English, I help out with replies.
Recently the following message was received from J.:
Re: birth records
Looking for parents names for Peter (Pierre) John Garnich Born: Bettembourg, Canton d’Esch-sur-Alzette, Luxembourg, 29 Oct 1889. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I could have sent a quick one-liner with the names of the parents to the person making the inquiry. It would have been quick and easy but I don’t think it would have benefitted the person asking the question.
Any assistance would be appreciated…
J. wanted assistance in finding the parents of a person born in Luxembourg in 1889. I wanted my answer to also help her with FUTURE queries she may have on her ancestors in Luxembourg. The screenshots were not included in the email as I wanted J. to follow the instructions and have the wowser moment of finding the record on her own.
You have his date of birth and his place of birth which will aid in your search. As Bettembourg is not one of the communes that have been indexed by FamilySearch, you will have to browse the collection instead of using their search engine. This is the case for most communes as indexing is ongoing and as far as I know, they have only finished Esch and Luxembourg City. Browsing the collection is not as hard as it sounds.
Click on Browse through 767,518 images to see the list of communes.
Click on Bettembourg to see the records available for the town your person of interest was born in.
Choose the record collection that includes births (naissances) for 1889. The collection you want to look into is Tables décennales 1803-1892 Naissances 1796-1890.
There are 1468 images in this collection. Don’t let this stop you. The collection has two parts. Tables décennales (ten-year index) and Naissances (births) – in most cases the names of the database reflect the order of the records in the microfilm. The births go to 1890, a year after the birth you are looking for. Therefore the register for 1889 will be nearly at the end. Choose image number 1468 and click on the tiles icon at the upper left of the images.
This will give you a view of the images at the end of the collection. The last two images on the microfilm look like lists. Click on the left one. At the top, it shows this is the index for the year 1890.
Click on the tile icon again to view the images. Going backward, look for the image with an index for the previous year. (see screenshot 5, green box in the first row of images)
The index is in alphabetical order. Your GARNICH person of interest is on the first page, Johann Peter Joseph born on 29 October with record #54. Since this is close to the end of the year, you can use the back button on the image numbers to go back two images to record #54.
If it had been #10, you would click the tile icon again, look for the beginning of the records for 1889, then go to the 4th image for record #10 (as #1 is always on the first page followed by 4 records per image).
Now comes the hardest part: reading the record. The records are filled in as opposed to completely written in longhand which makes it easy to pick out the names.
The informant of the birth (line 5) was his father Johann Peter GARNICH. In the middle of the record (line 12) you will see the child was named Johann Peter Joseph. In the two handwritten lines above his name is the information on the mother. Her name was Elisabeth SCHELTGEN and she was 34 years old, without an occupation, and residing with the informant.
BTW, the ten-year indexes (tables décennales) are very helpful when you know the name and place but not the date of birth, marriage, or death (BMD). For each 10-year period, you will find 3 lists (BMD) that include the name of the person and the date of the event. With the date of the event, you can follow the above directions to find the record.
Although your question was simple and could have been answered with the names: Johann Peter GARNICH and his wife Elisabeth SCHELTGEN, I felt it more helpful to you to know how I found the answer. This will aid you in your future research of your Luxembourg ancestors.
Permission to use the question in this blog post was obtained from J. She had a follow-up question which will be shared in my next post.
Jacques FOURNELLE was the youngest son of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON. He was born about 1699 in Saulnes (Meurthe-et-Moselle, France). At the time of his birth, there were seven siblings living at home: Françoise b. 1678, Nicolas b. 1683, Jean b. 1686, Henri b. 1688, Jeanne b. bet. 1689-1693, Sébastienne b. abt. 1692, and Marie b. 1696.
Jacques may have had a younger sister, Marie Catherine, born after 1699 and before the death of their mother Catherine SETON on 21 September 1702.1
Following the death of their mother, the youngest children were likely cared for by their oldest sister Françoise who was 24 years old. She did not marry until 1708 when Jacques was about 9 years old.2
Over the years, Jacques’ older siblings married and started their own families. On 4 Feb 1717, Jacques and his sister Jeanne were chosen to be the godparents of their nephew Jacques COURTOIS, the 5th and youngest child of their oldest sister Françoise. They were both unmarried. The baptismal record of this child is the first record to mention Jacques FOURNELLE in relation to his siblings.3
On 24 November 1720 Jacques and his brother Jean witnessed the marriage of his sister Sébastienne to Jean FRANÇOIS (1681-1741) in Saulnes. She was to be the last of his siblings to marry.4 The residences of her brothers are not mentioned in the record. Jean was married and known to be living in Rodange.
Jacques was probably living at home with his father Jean FOURNEL and his sister Marie Catherine. She would serve as the godmother of Jeanne’s and of Sébastienne’s children in 1721. The two baptismal records would be the first and last records to document this sister if she was not Marie.5,6
Jacques’ father Jean FOURNEL died on 3 September 1721 in Saulnes and was buried in the church cemetery the same day. Jacques’ brothers Jean and Nicolas witnessed the death record.7
Jacques Fournelle and Marie Jacob marry
Jacques married Marie JACOB, daughter of François JACOB and Madeleine CLESSE of Hussigny, following the death of his father in 1721 and probably before 1724. Although no marriage record is available, abstracts of judicial and notary records show Jacques FOURNELLE and Marie JACOB were married.
Jacques and his wife Marie were a married couple living in Hussigny when they sold part of a meadow to Simon JACOB and his wife Marguerite NOEL on 30 June 1725. They were therefore married before this date.8
The fact that Jacques and his family lived in Hussigny from about 1724 until their deaths made researching this family a challenge. There are no birth or baptismal records for the years that Marie was of the childbearing age.
Jacques and Marie had two daughters: Marguerite, born about 1724, and Elisabeth, born about 1726. No baptismal records are available, and, although both married and had children, marriage records were not found for them.
Judicial and notary records
To work around the paucity of vital records for Hussigny-Godbrange, the compiler of the family book for the town recorded abstracts of judicial records found for family groups during the period.
Aimé Tarnus, compiled Histoires des Familles, Hussigny-Godbrange de 1550 à 1900, a family book for the town of Hussigny that is lacking church records for the years between 1716-1765 with only 1753-1756 and 1758 being available. To get around the lack of records for the town, Mr. Tarnus consulted records of the Archives Départementales de Moselle, the Archives Départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle, the National Library in Paris, and the Luxembourg National Archives. A good part of the work in the departmental archives, other than the church and civil records, was done using the judicial archives and the notary deeds.
Over the years, Jacques FOURNELLE, and his wife Marie JACOB disposed of a variety of assets including meadows, fields of hemp, fruit orchards, and a house. The abstracts of the notarial records give little information on the property and only the names of the parties. It isn’t known if they were selling property that once belonged to Jacques’ family or to Marie’s. [The Series E records are not available online.]
In 1734 the FOURNEL siblings sold land they likely inherited from their parents Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON.
M. et M. 23 E 147 : le 06/09/1734, Jean FOURNIER, lab. à G. et Nicolas FOURNIER, lab. à H., Jean COURTOIS, marchand à Sosnes, en qualité de père et tuteur des enfants de lui et de + Françoise FOURNEL, sa fe. en 1ères noces, Jacques FOURNIER; curateur, vendent à Gérosme PERTRISOT, man. à La Sauvage et Jeanne FOURNIER, sa fe., une masure et un jardin etc…
Le 06/09/1734, Jacques FOURNEL, man. à H., vend à Jean FRANÇOIS, man. à Sosnes la Basse, et Sébastienne FOURNEL, sa fe., une masure à Sosne etc…
Jean, Nicolas, Françoise’s widower, and Jacques sold a dwelling and a garden to their sister Jeanne and her husband. Jacques sold a dwelling to his sister Sébastienne and her husband.9
On 18 January 1743, Jacques FOURNELLE of Hussigny, uncle of the bride, was present at the marriage of his niece Jeanne FOURNELLE, daughter of Jean FOURNEL and Jeanne BERKIN, and Henri DE CHAIVE.10 Jacques’ presence at the marriage of his brother Jean’s daughter confirms Jacques FOURNELLE, a laborer of Hussigny, is the son of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON.
A new recordset: inventaires après décès
On 8 April 1748, an inventory after death (inventaire après décès) for Julien FOURNELLE was witnessed by his uncle Jacques.11 This was the first of several inventaires après décès that Jacques witnessed over the years.
Drawn up shortly after a person’s death, the inventory after death contained a list of goods owned by the family and an appraisal. The furniture, clothing, kitchen utensils, tapestries, etc., a description of the dwelling, land owned, and contracts or debts of the deceased were included. The inventaires après décès are not only helpful in learning more about how an ancestor lived but also determining when they died. Jacques’ nephew Julien died during the years when death records are missing and his inventory after death, drawn up shortly after his death, gives us a more precise window for his date of death.
Jacques and Marie’s daughters marry
About 1749 or earlier, Jacques and Marie’s daughter Marguerite married Mathias LIBERT (1727-1760) of Audun-le-Tiche (Moselle, France). They were the parents of four known children. The oldest, a son Charles, was born about 1749. His year of birth has been estimated from the age given at the time of his second marriage in 1810. The three other children left records with precise dates of birth in 1753, 1754, and 1757.
Jacques and Marie’s daughter Elisabeth married Charles WACHONRUE (1725-1793) before 18 January 1751 when they were cited in a land deed as husband and wife.12 The land they purchased in 1751 was sold on 28 May 1753 to Jean François Henry Gérard Baron d’HUART.13
Elisabeth and Charles were the parents of four known children. The date of birth of their first child Marie Barbe is not known and has been estimated at about 1751. A marriage record for their second child gives a date of birth in 1753 and baptismal records were found in 1755 and 1758 for the third and the fourth child.
On 6 August 1753 Jacques FOURNELLE witnessed the death record of his brother Henri.14 The brothers lived in the same town and Jacques appears to have been close to his brother’s family. Two and a half years later, he was a witness at the marriage of his nephew Henri, son of Henri FOURNEL and Anne LAUNOIS.15
Jacques and Marie sell their house
On 5 April 1756 Jacques and his wife Marie sold their house to their son-in-law Charles WACHONRUE.16 His wife Elisabeth was not mentioned in the abstract. On the same day, Jacques and Marie also sold a field of hemp to Jean WILLOTTE. This was the last mention of Jacques selling property.
The last of Jacques and Marie’s eight grandchildren, Marguerite WACHONRUE was born on 10 September 1758 and baptized the following day.17 Her godfather was Mathias LIBERT, husband of her maternal aunt, Marguerite FOURNELLE. The godfather is not explicitly noted as the child’s uncle but this record gives some support to Marguerite and Elisabeth being sisters.
Jacques is widowed
Marie JACOB, wife of the surviving “Jacques Fournier” died three months later on 7 December 1758 in Hussigny at the age of 63 years.18 In the presence of her family and neighbors, she was buried in the parish cemetery.
Jacques’ son-in-law Mathias LIBERT died in January 1760 at the age of 33. This is known as his inventory after death was filed on 30 January 1760 and was witnesses by Jacques FOURNELLE, Henri FOURNEL (Jacques’ nephew), Jean JACOB, and Antoine LAINE (husband of Marie LIBERT, Mathias’s brother).19 The fact that Jacques was a witness lends support to the assumption that Mathias was Jacques’ son-in-law.
Jacques, age 60, was mentioned in a judicial record on 23 February 1760.20 His occupation was charbonnier, a person who makes, sells, or delivers charcoal. In the years since his marriage, he had disposed of all of his property and still had to make a living. He was a widower with two daughters, one widowed and one married, and eight grandchildren. And he was still giving moral support to his brother Henri’s sons.
Jacques, the caretaker of his sibling’s family
On 8 February 1763, Jacques once again was a witness to the marriage of one of his nephews, Dominique, son of Henri FOURNEL and Anne LAUNOIS.21 Dominique was widowed less than a year later when his wife died giving birth to their son Mathias. By the end of the following year, Dominique was at the notary and, with the assistance of his brother Henri and Pierre and their uncle Jacques, was having a marriage contract drawn up for his second marriage.22 On 28 December 1765, Jacques was one of the witnesses to the marriage of Dominique FOURNEL and Barbe SCHMIT.23
More inventories after death
On 9 May 1766, Jacques and Marie’s daughter Elisabeth died in Hussigny at the age of about 40. She was buried the following day.24 A little over two weeks later, on 27 May 1766 her inventory after death was filed and Jacques FOURNELLE was one of the four witnesses.25 Ten months later, Elisabeth’s widower, Charles WACHONRUE married again. He would have another son with his second wife.
Eight years after Elisabeth’s death her father Jacques died. Marguerite’s oldest son Charles LIBERT and her cousin Henri FOURNEL (son of Henri) were the witnesses on the death record of her Jacques FOURNELLE. He died on 9 December 1774 and was buried the following day.26 On the day Jacques FOURNELLE’s was buried his inventory after death was filed. He was described as a poor beggar for the last 10 years.27
Fourteen years later Marguerite FOURNELLE died on 12 November 1788 in Hussigny and was buried the following day. Her sons, Charles and Antoine, both married and living in Villers-la-Montagne were the witnesses on her death record.28
Jacques’ son-in-law Charles WACHONRUE was still living. He died five years later on 30 January 1793 in Hussigny.29 All of the parents of the grandchildren of Jacques and Marie were now deceased.
Jacques and Marie’s grandchildren
Five of the eight grandchildren of Jacques and Marie are known to have survived their grandfather Jacques FOURNELLE. They lived to see the turn of the century and three more marriages in 1800, 1801, and 1810.
Jean WACHONRUE (1755-1805) married Jeanne Hélène VRILLARD before 1786, lived in Paris for a while, and then moved to Itteville, south of Paris in the department of Essonne, where he died in 1805. His wife predeceased him. They had at least three children.
Marie Barbe WACHONRUE (1751-1818) married Joseph PHOND (1751-1833) before 1782. They were the parents of two known children. She died 2 February 1818 in Hussigny. Her widower married again four months later to Marie Barbe’s first cousin once removed, Anne Marie LIBERT (1782-1860), daughter of Antoine LIBERT.
Antoine LIBERT (1753-1833) was widowed in 1799. He’d married Elisabeth CLAUSSE (1750-1799) in 1775 and they had eleven children between 1775-1794. He married again a year later to Catherine MORANT (1757-?) on 17 December 1800. Antoine died 8 December 1833 in Haucourt-Moulaine.
Marie Catherine LIBERT (1757-1836) married Jean ANTOINE (1731-1820) on 20 Dec 1801 in Hussigny. She was 44 years old and this was her first marriage. Her brother Antoine and her cousin Marie Barbe WACHONRUE’s husband Joseph PHOND were two of the witnesses. Marie Catherine died on 13 February 1836 in Hussigny. She had no known children.
Charles LIBERT (1749-1812) was widowed in 1809 when his wife Barbe NICOLAS died. He’d married Barbe who was ten years older and a widow in 1772. They had 9 children between 1773-1782 including two sets of twins. He married again a year later to Madeleine SALIN (1765-1827) in Thil on 20 December 1810. Madeleine was the 2nd great-granddaughter of my 9th great-grandparents François SALIN and Catherine MASSON. Charles died in 1842 in Mercy-le-Bas at the age of about 93 years. His death record indicates he was 105 years old at the time of his death. This is an exaggeration as his mother would have been only 13 years old at the time of his birth. His 1810 marriage record gives a more accurate age of 60 years, i.e. born about 1749.
Aimé Tarnus, Histoires des Familles, Hussigny-Godbrange de 1550 à 1900, page 533, family 2028, abstract of a notary record. “Notaires de V.-la-M. : le 30/06/1725, Jacques FOURNIER, man. à H., et Marie JACOB, sa fe., vendent à Simon JACOB, lab. à H., et Marguerite NOEL, sa fe., une demi-fauchée de pré située sur le ban de Belvaux etc…” ↩
Ibid., page 535, family 2029, abstract of a notary record for the sale of land. “M. et M. 23 E 147 : le 06/09/1734, Jean FOURNIER, lab. à G. et Nicolas FOURNIER, lab. à H., Jean COURTOIS, marchand à Sosnes, en qualité de père et tuteur des enfants de lui et de + Françoise FOURNEL, sa fe. en 1ères noces, Jacques FOURNIER; curateur, vendent à Gérosme PERTRISOT, man. à La Sauvage et Jeanne FOURNIER, sa fe., une masure et un jardin etc…
Le 06/09/1734, Jacques FOURNEL, man. à H., vend à Jean FRANÇOIS, man. à Sosnes la Basse, et Sébastienne FOURNEL, sa fe., une masure à Sosne etc…” ↩
Ibid., page 536, family 2031, abtract of an inventory after death. “Mos. B 8647 : le 8/4/1748, inv. ap. + Julien FOURNELLE ; Ts. Jacques FOURNELLE, Henry FOURNELLE, Nicolas PETIT et François BALTUS, tous de Hussigny.” ↩
Ibid., page 1428, family 5741, abstract of a purchase. “M. et M. 23 E 102 : le 18/01/1751, Jean JACOB, lab. à H., au nom de Charles LOUIS, son beau-frère, vend a Charles WOICHONRUPT, cordonnier à H., et Elis. FOURNIER, sa fe., un jour 1/2 de terre à la pièce Grégoire pour 64 livres 10 sols etc…” ↩
Ibid., page 1428, family 5741, abstract of a sale. “M. et M. 23 E 104 : le 28/05/1753, Charles WACHONRUE, cordonnier à H., et Elis FOURNIER, sa fe., vendent à Jean François Henry Gérard Baron d’HUART un jour 1/2 de terre sur le finage de H. à la pièce Grégoire pour 66 livres de France etc…” ↩
FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 1428, family 5741, abstract of a notary record of sale. “M. et M. 23 E 20 : le 05/04/1756, Jacques FOURNEL, man. à H., et Marie JACOB, sa fe., vendent à Charles WACHONRUE, man. à H., une maison à H. etc…” ↩
FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 893, family 3439, abstract of the inventory after death. “Mos. B 8657 : le 30/01/1760, inv. ap. + de Mathias LIBERT. Ts. : Antoine LAINE, Jacques FOURNEL, Henry FOURNEL et Jean JACOB.” ↩
Ibid., page 535, family 2028, abstract of a legal record. “Mos. B 8719 : le 23/02/1760, Jacques FOURNEL, charbonnier à H., a 60 ans.” ↩
FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 529, family 2015, abstract of the marriage contract between Dominique Fournel and Barbe Schmit. “M. et M. 23 E 114 : le 18/12/1765, CM. entre Dominique FOURNEL, man. à Sosne la basse, assisté de Henry et Pierre FOURNEL ses frères, Jacques FOURNELLE de H., leur oncle, et Barbe FELMIN(?) fa. de Mathieu, marchal ferrant à Tiffer., et de Cath. GODFRIN etc….” ↩
FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 1427, family 5741, abstract of inventory after death. “Mos. B 8662 : le 27/05/1766, inv. ap. + de Elis. FORNELLE. Ts. : Jacques FOURNEL, Joseph BARY, Jean MIRGAINE et Jean VUARCOLIER.” ↩
Baptismal records for Herserange, the parish Saulnes was attached to, are non-existent for the years 1689-1693. When Sébastienne died in 1752 her age at death was 60 therefore she was born about 1692. Due to the paucity of records, no baptismal entry was found.
She was not the last of Jean and Catherine’s children. She had two more (perhaps three) siblings before her mother died on 21 September 1702.1
Marie Catherine (?-?) (records have not been found to prove or disprove Marie Catherine was the same person as Marie)
Sébastienne was about 10 years old when her mother died. Her oldest sister Françoise was 24 years and probably spent the next six years raising her siblings before she married in 1708 at the age of 29. This marriage was followed by the marriages of Sébastienne’s two oldest brothers in 1710 and 1713.
A month after the 1710 marriage, Sébastienne became the godmother of her sister Françoise’s daughter Sébastienne COURTOIS baptized on 27 July 1710 in Saulnes. The godmother was 18 years old.2
The 1713 marriage took place in January. A few months later, Sébastienne’s relationship with a man produced a son born and baptized on 9 December 1713 in Saulnes. The mother declared at the time of birth that the father was Jean CHOLOT. She gave her son the name Jean. His godparents were Jean DELVA and Marie FOURNEL.3 Marie was his mother’s younger sister. Bastienne, as she was sometimes referred to, was not married to Jean CHOLOT. It isn’t known if the child was given his father’s surname as no further record has been found.
The children of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON appear to have married in order of birth. I’ve never heard of this being a pattern families followed. Following the marriages of her brother Henri who married before 1716 and her sister Jeanne in July 1720, it was Bastienne’s turn to marry.
Sébastienne FOURNEL married Jean FRANÇOIS on 24 November 1720. Sébastienne was 28 years old and her groom was 39. Jean was from Crusnes (Meurthe-et-Moselle, France) and the widower of Marie MARCHAL. Sébastienne’s brothers Jean and Jacques FOURNEL were her witnesses. Witnesses for Jean were his brother (of the same name) Jean FRANÇOIS and his cousin François NICOLAS.4
Ten months after her marriage, Sébastienne and her siblings lost their father Jean FOURNEL when he died on 3 September 1721 in Saulnes.5
Bastienne and her husband Jean had seven children
Marie Catherine FRANÇOIS was born and baptized on 19 October 1721. Her godparents were Jean BOULANGER and Marie Catherine FOURNEL, the child’s aunt.6 It’s possible that the godmother was a younger sister and not Marie FOURNEL born in 1696. Marie Catherine FRANÇOIS never married and died at the age of 37 on 16 February 1759. The witnesses at the time of her death were Philippe BAILLIEU, a priest, and Jean Baptiste THOMAS, a synodal (member of the church council).7
Jean FRANÇOIS was born and baptized on 20 December 1722. His godparents were Jean CLAUDE, a young man, and Margueritte FRANÇOIS, a young girl. Both of the godparents were from Bréhain-la-Cour.8 No further trace of Jean has been found.
Jean Baptiste FRANÇOIS was born on 25 September 1724 and baptized two days later. His godfather was Jean COURTOIS and his godmother was Marguerite LELIEVRE. His name on his baptismal record was Jean.9 He married Marie Françoise THOMAS (1728-1796) on 27 February 1754 in Herserange. Witnesses to the marriage were his cousin Henry FOURNELLE and his uncle Jacques FOURNELLE; Jean and François THOMAS were witnesses for the bride. His name on his marriage record was Jean Baptiste FRANÇOIS.10 The couple were the parents of at least seven children born between 1755-1772 (research is ongoing). Jean Baptiste died on 14 April 1795 in Saulnes.11 His wife died the following year.12
Anne Sébastienne FRANÇOIS was born on 23 September 1726 and baptized the following day. Her godfather was Pierre FOURNIER, a young man, and her godmother was her cousin Anne Sébastienne COURTOIS.13 Note: In this record, the father’s first name Jean was crossed out and replaced by François. No further trace of Anne Sébastienne has been found.
Charles FRANÇOIS was born on 12 October 1728 and baptized the following day. His godparents were Charles PELARDIN and Elisabeth PELARDIN.14 This baptismal record is so light that I could not read the surname of the godfather and had to rely on information found in the family book for Saulnes. No further trace of Charles has been found.
Marguerite FRANÇOIS was born on 10 March 1730 and baptized two days later. Her godparents were Jean SMELER, a young man, and Marguerite DROUET, a young girl.15 Marguerite married François DOMANGE (he signed DEMENGE) on 3 November 1785. Per this marriage record, Marguerite was the widow of Michel BAILLIEU. Her groom was a sergeant in the Régiment Royal de Roussillon and permission was given by his commanding officer, the Marquis de Vauborel, brigadier of the King’s armies, colonel of the royal regiment of Roussillon. Marguerite’s brother Jean Baptiste was a witness at the marriage.16 Marguerite died on 1 March 1799 at the age of 68.17 Her first marriage has not been researched, i.e. it is not known if she had children.
Marie Joseph FRANÇOIS was born on 14 December 1731 and baptized two days later. Her godfather was Jean THOMA, a young man, and Marie LELIEVRE.18 Marie Joseph served as the godmother of her niece Marie Joseph, daughter of Jean Baptiste FRANÇOIS and Marie Françoise THOMAS, on 15 July 1755 when she was 23 years old.19 No further trace of Marie Joseph has been found.
Confusion concerning Jean FRANÇOIS’ name
Sébastienne’s husband Jean FRANÇOIS died on 19 October 1741 at the age of 60. Informants on the death were François COLLIGNON, the schoolmaster, and Pierre THEATE, a laborer, both of Herserange.20 On the death record the first name Jean was marked through and François written above. This correction is also marked out. Was the correction made at the time the record was produced or did someone make the changes later?
This question made me take another closer look at all records mentioning Jean FRANÇOIS. When Bastienne and Jean married his brother who had the same name was one of his witnesses. Both were named Jean. All baptismal records of the children except one has Jean as his first name. When his daughter Anne Sébastienne was baptized in 1726 her father was listed as Jean FRANÇOIS. With another pen and in possibly other handwriting, Jean was marked out and François was written above. In 1754 when his son Jean Baptiste married, he was named as the son of the deceased Jean FRANÇOIS. In 1759 when his oldest daughter died, his name was given as François FRANÇOIS. This was written at the time the record was produced and was not a correction.
One more record was found with the name François FRANÇOIS.
Sébastienne was a widow for 11 years and died on 29 December 1752, at the age of 60 like her husband. Witnesses to her death record were Philippe BAILLIEU, a priest, and Jean PERLOT, a laborer from Herserange. Sébastienne was described as the widow of François FRANÇOIS.21
Why were records found in 1741, 1752, and 1759 with the husband of Sébastienne named François instead of Jean? Why was the change also made to the birth record of only one of the children, Anne Sébastienne in 1726? Perhaps future research into Jean Baptiste and Marguerite, the only two children who married, will bring more to light to the question.
Three of Sébastienne’s siblings survived her. Henri died the following year, Jeanne died after 1756, and Jacques died in 1774.
Jacques FOURNELLE was the last of the children of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON to marry. He will be featured in the next post.