The Ancestors: Nicolas Traudt and Maria Barbara Bill of Vianden

On Sunday, 22 January 1747, a young couple was married in Vianden, Luxembourg.

Castle of Vianden from a collection of 10 framed prints of castles in Luxembourg owned by our family.

The 1747 marriage record

The marriage index card

The marriage of Nicolas TRAUDT and Barbara BILL was recorded in the Vianden church register volume 2 page 105. It was the first entry for the year 1747.1

Nicolas TRAUDT was 25 years old. Barbara BILL, his bride was 23. The entry in the church register of Vianden included the names of their fathers, Henri TRAUDT and Theodor BILL.2 The three lines give no additional information not already abstracted on the marriage index card.

1747 Marriage Record of Nicolas TRAUDT and Maria Barbara BILL

The mother of the groom was Margaretha HEICKEL.3 The mother of the bride was only known as Maria.4 These names were not mentioned in the marriage record.

The children of Nicolas TRAUDT and Maria Barbara BILL

Nicolas and Barbe made their home in Vianden where all of their children were born. Nicolas made his living as a clothes tailor or tailleur d’habits. 

1766 Luxembourg census reflecting the family group before the birth of their last child.

Henri TRAUDT was born on 24 February 1748.5 He was listed as Nicolas Henri TRAUDT on the 1766 census.6 No marriage or death record has been found.

Nicolas TRAUDT was born on 13 January 1750.7 He was living at the time of the 1766 census. No marriage or death record has been found.

Théodore TRAUDT was born on 11 March 1752.8 He died on 11 October 1785 at the age of 33.9 He married Susanna WAGENER on 27 April 1777 in Vianden.10 Like his father, he was a clothes tailor.

Maria Magdalena TRAUDT was born on 17 June 1754.11 She married Michel WIRTZ on 13 May 1776.12 They were both living in January 1793 when their 8th child was born.13

Barbe TRAUDT was born on 19 March 1757.14 She died in der Unterstadt on 14 January 1794 at the age of 36.15 She married Johann MANDT on 7 April 1777 in Roth.16 They were the parents of nine children, all born in der Unterstadt.

Michael TRAUDT was born on 25 Jan 1759.17 He may have died before 1766 as he is not included in the household of Nicolas and Barbe in 1766.

Maria TRAUDT was born on 20 September 1761.18 A daughter named Anna Maria was with Nicolas and Barbe at the time of the 1766 census. No marriage or death record has been found.

Elisabeth TRAUDT (speculation!) was enumerated with Nicolas and Barbe on the 1766 census. She was listed in the under 14 years column. A baptismal record for this child needs to be found to prove she was a child of this couple with this name. It may have been an error on the census and meant to be Maria Clara, the next child born to the couple.

Maria Clara TRAUDT was born on 2 April 1764.19 She was not listed on the 1766 census with her parents although she is known to have lived. She married Jean METZ in Vianden on 6 May 1787.20 They had children who have not been researched. Clara died on 18 February 1828 at the age of 63.21

Margaretha TRAUDT was born on 8 August 1766.22 She died at the age of 43 on 30 November 1809.23 She married Jean-Népomucène SCHLOESSER (1764-1833) on 26 April 1790 in Vianden.24 Margaretha and Jean-Népomucène were my 4th great-grandparents.

Nicolas is widowed and remarries

After 22 years of marriage and giving birth to nine children, Barbe died on 18 May 1769 at the age of 45.25 Nicolas remarried on 1 October 1769 to Barbara KÖNIG.26 They did not have children. Nicolas died on 19 April 1799 in Vianden.27

Research Manager

I used the Familienbuch von Roth / Vianden 1718-1797 as a guide for this family. The family book includes the register number, page number, and entry number of church records (baptism, marriage, burial) of Vianden and Roth used by the compilers to determine the family groups. Vianden records are online at FamilySearch. The records for Roth are indexed on FamilySearch but access in Europe is limited to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Kirchenbuch, 1718-1900 (Katholische Kirche Roth (Kr. Bitburg).

Jean-Paul Hoffmann’s Familienchronik der Stadt Vianden needs to be consulted for any further information available for this family group. A copy is available in the Luxracines archives in Walferdange.

A bit of history: Grafschaft Vianden

I wasn’t able to find records for individuals in this family group who were born, married, or died in der Unterstadt of Vianden. I had to study the history of the Grafschaft Vianden or County of Vianden to understand where the records were recorded.

Vianden lies on the Our River that divides the city into the upper town (on the left) and lower town (on the right).

During the Middle Ages, the fortified city of Vianden was the capital of the County of Vianden and included villages as far as Prum and Bitburg in present-day Germany. The county was as large as the present-day Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

The way into Roth from the Luxembourg side.

In the first half of the 13th century, the Count of Vianden donated the parish church of Roth, the adjacent building, and land to the Order of the Templars.

St. Peter’s Church in Roth with the churchyard.
Entrance gate to Schloss Roth (Castle Roth), originally an outpost of Castle Vianden and adjacent to St. John’s Church of Roth.
Schloss Roth
The garden at Schloss Roth

In the middle of the 13th century, a dispute between the Templar knights and the Count of Vianden had to be settled by arbitration of the Archbishop of Trier. The Trinitarian monks ran the hospital for the count and had started building a church with a monastery and churchyard across from the hospital. This did not bode well with the Templars as Vianden was affiliated to the Templar parish of Roth as the city did not have its own church.

The city of Vianden was a divided city with a lower town (in der Unterstadt) and an upper town. Although residents of both sections of the town had the same rights, the lower town was more of a secondary town. This became more clear with the settlement of the dispute.

The dispute was resolved by attaching the lower town to the parish of Roth and creating a new parish assigned to the Trinitarian monks in the upper town.

The Templars built a small chapel on the parish boundary near the bridge in 1256 to accommodate the disgruntled lower town dwellers. The residents in der Unterstadt had to make do with a chapel with an open roof for their Sunday services.

Entrance of St. John’s Church in Roth

They were, however, required to celebrate holidays (Christmas, Easter, Pentecost) as well as the sacraments of baptism, the first communion, and marriage at the church in Roth. They have to trek down and up to the church to attend these high masses as well as transporting the corpses of their deceased to the Roth churchyard for burial.

Inside the St. John’s Church in Roth, Germany.

Thank you to my husband

We have two routes on our riding itinerary that take us through Roth, one on the German side and the other coming into Roth from the Luxembourg side.  My husband and I rode our bikes through Roth on Tuesday in search of the church and castle. I had located them on the map, off our usual paths.

I didn’t realize that the buildings were located on the top of a wooded hill. The road up to the church is not well paved and the last piece was a 17% climb. My husband rode to the top while I had to walk my bike for the last part. It was worth the effort. The photos of the church and castle are my husband’s contribution to this post. Villmols merci.

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Nicolas TRAUDT
Occupation: Tailleur d’habits or clothes tailor
Parents: Henri TRAUDT and Margaretha HEICKEL
Spouse: Maria Barbara BILL
Parents of spouse: Theodorus BILL and Maria _____
Whereabouts: Vianden, Luxembourg
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 5th great-grandparents

1. Nicolas TRAUDT and Maria Barbara BILL
2. Margaretha TRAUDT and Jean-Népomucène SCHLOESSER
3. Jean Joseph SCHLOESSER and Anna Maria “Maria” CONSBRÜCK
4. Odile Lucie SCHLOESSER and André FOURNELLE
5. Jean Joseph FOURNELLE and Catharina FRANTZ
6. Marie Marcelle FOURNELLE and Nicolas WILDINGER
7. Living WILDINGER and Fred Roosevelt DEMPSEY
8. Catherine Ann “Cathy” DEMPSEY and Living MEDER
9. Our children

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


  1. Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Vianden > Tables des mariages 1691-1803 Bettendorff-Z (index organisée par l’époux) > image 351 of 596. 1747 Marriage Index Card. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9XZQ?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-N32%3A1501150301%2C1501195002 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  2. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 107 of 166. 1747 Marriage Record (1st entry for 1747). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9ZZ1?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  3. Heinrich Wagner and Willibald Reichertz, Familienbuch von Roth / Vianden 1718-1797 (1991). Family Book of the Parish of Roth / Vianden (today Roth an der Our, Germany) including Bauler, Gaymühle, Obersgegen, Rodershausen, Roth, Scheuerhof, and the lower town of Vianden. A PDF of the book is available for download to members of Luxracines for a small fee. 
  4. Luxembourg Church Records, Vianden > Baptêmes 1679-1696, 1698-1739, mariages 1691-1707, 1721-1739, sépultures 1679-1706, 1721-1727, 1739-1741 > image 124 of 212. 1724 Baptismal Record (left page, first entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9CDK?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-443%3A1501150301%2C1501348334 : accessed 24 August 2019). 
  5. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 28 of 166. 1748 Baptismal Record (left, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9HFW?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 13 December 2017). 
  6. Luxembourg, 1766 Dénombrement (census), (images), FamilySearch (Digitial copy of the microfilm of originals in the Archives Générales du Royaume, Bruxelles, includes localities now in Luxembourg and Liège, Belgium), Film 1781981 , DGS 008182018, Decanat de Mersch: Vianden, image 420 of 556. “.” Niolas Traudt household 120. (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-FQ8K-L?i=419&cat=1184675 : accessed 24 August 2019). 
  7. Luxembourg Church Records, Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 32 of 166. 1750 Baptismal Record (left, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9CM4?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  8. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 36 of 166. 1752 Baptismal Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9CX8?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 13 December 2017). 
  9. Wagner & Reichertz, Familienbuch von Roth / Vianden 1718-1797. 
  10. Luxembourg Church Records, Vianden > Baptêmes 1771-1774, 1779-1795, confirmations 1789-1794, mariages 1771-1778, 1787-1795, sépultures 1771-1797 > image 175 of 265. 1777 Marriage Record (right page, 5th entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9XPS?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-JWY%3A1501150301%2C1501252502 : accessed 19 June 2021). 
  11. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 41 of 166. 1754 Baptismal Record (right, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-9CSR?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 14 Decmeber 2017). 
  12. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1771-1774, 1779-1795, confirmations 1789-1794, mariages 1771-1778, 1787-1795, sépultures 1771-1797 > image 175 of 265. 1776 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9XPS?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-JWY%3A1501150301%2C1501252502 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  13. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1771-1774, 1779-1795, confirmations 1789-1794, mariages 1771-1778, 1787-1795, sépultures 1771-1797 > image 122 of 265. 1793 Baptismal Record (right page, bottom entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-9F81?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-JWY%3A1501150301%2C1501252502 : accessed 8 September 2021). 
  14. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 49 of 166. 1757 Baptismal Record (right, 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9CD3?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 13 December 2017). 
  15. Robert Deltgen, Genealogie Rob Deltgen, online http://www.deltgen.com/. I have been unable to confirm this date since the records in der Unterstadt of Vianden were recorded in Roth, a parish with restricted online images. 
  16. “Deutschland, Rheinland, Bistum Trier, katholische Kirchenbücher, 1704-1957”, database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:D6F6-4ZMM : 3 November 2020), Barbarae Bill in entry for Joannes Mandt, 7 Apr 1777; citing Marriage, certificate , Roth, Daun, Rheinprovinz, Preußen, Deutschland, Bistumarchiv (Diocese Archive), Trier, Germany. 
  17. Luxembourg Church Records, Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 57 of 166. 1759 Baptismal Record (right, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9C6N?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : 14 December 2017). 
  18. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 69 of 166. 1761 Baptismal Record (left, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9H6K?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  19. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 83 of 166. 1764 Baptismal Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9HZC?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 13 December 2017). 
  20. Ibid., Vianden > Tables des mariages 1691-1803 (index organisée par l’épouse) > image 557 of 639. 1787 Marriage Index Card. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-98KZ?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-D5S%3A1501150301%2C1501221376 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  21. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Vianden > Mariages 1834-1890 Décès 1797-1866 > image 869 of 1406. 1828 Death Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTQS-FW3?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-DP8%3A130504801%2C130555401 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  22. Luxembourg Church Records, Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 94 of 166. 1766 Baptismal Record, 2nd entry on left page. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32461-9066-76?cc=2037955 : accessed 18 November 2015). 
  23. Luxembourg Civil Records, Vianden > Mariages 1834-1890 Décès 1797-1866 > image 645 of 1406. 1809 Death Record, right page bottom entry. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11584-74474-75?cc=1709358 : accessed 29 August 2021). 
  24. Ibid., Vianden > Naissances, mariages, décès 1779-1793 > image 184 of 241. 1790 Marriage Record, top of left page. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12876-10821-89?cc=1709358 : accessed 18 November 2015). 
  25. Luxembourg Church Records, Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 139 of 166. 1769 Death Record (right, 3rd entry from bottom). Note: age at death 49 years.(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9CR1?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 14 December 2017). 
  26. Ibid., Vianden > Baptêmes 1705, 1739-1771, confirmations 1756-1769, communicants 1769-1770, mariages 1741-1770, sépultures 1742-1771 > image 122 of 166. 1769 Marriage Record (right page, first entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9ZCP?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-4WG%3A1501150301%2C1501398358 : accessed 24 August 2019). 
  27. Diözesanarchiv Luxemburg / Archives diocésaines Luxembourg (images), Matricula Online, http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/, Creative Commons License CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 (citing original records in the Luxembourg Diocesan Archives, Luxembourg City), GV.MF 316; GV.MF 351, Vianden, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1794 – 1807, image 71 of 164, last entry on page 77. 1799 Death Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/vianden/KB-01/?pg=71 : accessed 19 June 2021). 

The Ancestors: Johann Consbrück (1749-1796) of Echternach and Barbara Schmidt (1747-1829) of Koedange

My 5th great-grandparents Johann CONSBRÜCK (1749-1796) of Echternach and Barbara SCHMIDT (1747-1829) of Koedange celebrated their marriage in the hometown of the groom.1

One of several roads leading into Echternach.

In this direct line from myself to Johann’s parents, only two of the nine couples did not marry in Echternach. My great-grandparents married in Mamer in 1900 and my 3rd great-grandparents married in Metz, France, in 1835. My husband and I were married in Echternach in 1978, my parents in 1957, my grandparents in 1935, my 2nd great-grandparents in 1867, 4th in 1805,  5th in 1773, and 6th in 1735. My 7th great-grandparents likely married in Echternach or Mersch about 1705. After the death of my 7th great-grandfather, his widow, my 7th great-grandmother married again, in Echternach.

1773 Marriage Record

1773 Marriage Record

On Monday, 22 February 1773, in the presence of Johann HINCKES and Martin HERCKES, citizens of Echternach, Father LUCIUS solemnized the marriage between the respectable young Johann, the legitimate son of Johann Wilhelm CONSBRÜCK of Echternach, and Barbara, the legitimate daughter of Peter SCHMIDT of Koedingen, after prior review of the dismissal by the priest of the parish of Waldbillig.2

Barbara Schmidt’s hometown Koedange – Kéidéng in Luxembourgish.
A view of the few houses in Koedange.

The parish priest provided a dimissionis, a dismissal or nuptial certificate for the party (bride or groom) marrying in a different parish. In this document, the parish priest certified to his colleague who was to celebrate the marriage that the person in question was single (or widower/widower) and that the prescribed bans (public announcement of the marriage) had been correctly made.

Waldbillig

Barbara’s nuptial certificate came from Waldbillig as the hamlet of Koedingen (Kéidéng in Luxembourgish) was at the time attached to the parish of Waldbillig.

Riding our bikes through the ancestral villages in Luxembourg.

The CONSBRÜCK Children

Johann CONSBRÜCK (1749-1796) and Barbara SCHMIDT (1747-1829) made their home in Echternach. They were the parents of three known children born between 1775 and 1782.

Henri CONSBRÜCK was born on 5 April 1775 in Echternach.3 He died at the age of 75 years on 22 May 1850 in Echternach.4 He married Eva LANSER, daughter of Sébastian LANSER and Maria Catharina HASTERT, on 10 February 1805 in Echternach.5 Henri and Eva were my 4th great-grandparents. They were the parents of eight children, four of whom died between the ages of one and seven months. Three of the four surviving daughters never married but lived long lives working as seamstresses. Only one daughter, Anna Maria (1810-1897), my 3rd great-grandmother, married and continued this line.

Anna Maria CONSBRÜCK was born on 29 October 1779 in Echternach.6 She died on 10 September 1788 in Echternach at the age of 8.7

Matthias CONSBRÜCK was born on 3 June 1782 in Echternach.8 He died at the age of 54 years on 30 October 1836 in Trier, Germany.9 He was married twice. He married Katharina BASTIAN (1797-1831) on 9 January 1810 in St. Laurentius Church in Trier.10 They had four known children. After her death, he married Elisabetha RAMMES (1791-1861) on 8 June 1832 in Trier.11 Their marriage lasted only four years, ending with Matthias’ death. They had no children.

Twenty-three years of marriage

Johann CONSBRÜCK died on 21 July 1796 in Echternach at the age of 47.12 His wife of 23 years outlived him by 33 years. Barbara SCHMIDT died in Echternach in the rue de Luxembourg on 10 May 1829 at the age of 81 years.13

Research Manager

In May 2018, a photo was posted in a Facebook group taken during WWI. The text included two of my surnames associated with the CONSBRÜCK-SCHMIDT line. I commented on the post and received a private message from the lady who posted the photo. During our conversation, I learned she is my third cousin once removed, a descendant of Henri CONSBRÜCK’s daughter Anna Maria, the only child to marry and have children.

In 1894 Anna Maria CONSBRÜCK at the age of 84 years divided six pieces of land she owned between her two living daughters and their husbands by selling the land to them. The daughters were Odile Lucie SCHLOESSER, my 2nd great-grandmother, and Maria SCHLOESSER, my newfound cousin’s great-grandmother. My cousin had the original notary record of the sale and sent photos of the four pages. The plots were likely once owned by Anna Maria’s father Henri CONSBRÜCK and his parents before him.

On my to-do list is the transcription and analysis of the 1894 deed of sale for land owned by Anna Maria CONSBRÜCK, granddaughter of the CONSBRÜCK-SCHMIDT couple. It may help to determine the present-day address of the home of Johann CONSBRÜCK and Barbara SCHMIDT.

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Johann CONSBRÜCK
Occupation:
Parents: Johann Wilhelm CONSBRÜCK and Maria Magdalene KLEIN
Spouse: Barbara SCHMIDT
Parents of spouse: Peter SCHMIDT sive CASPARS and Catharina CASPARS
Whereabouts: Echternach and Koedange
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 5th great-grandparents

1. Johann CONSBRÜCK and Barbara SCHMIDT
2. Henri CONSBRÜCK and Eva LANSER
3. Anna Maria “Maria” CONSBRÜCK and Jean Joseph SCHLOESSER
4. Odile Lucie SCHLOESSER and André FOURNELLE
5. Jean Joseph FOURNELLE and Catharina FRANTZ
6. Marie Marcelle FOURNELLE and Nicolas WILDINGER
7. Living WILDINGER and Fred Roosevelt DEMPSEY
8. Catherine Ann “Cathy” DEMPSEY and Living MEDER
9. Our children

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


  1. Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Echternach > Tables des mariages 1706-1797 A-Lahr (index organisée par l’époux) > image 407 of 1598. 1773 Marriage Card. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32468-29388-23?cc=2037955 : accessed 19 November 2015). 
  2. Ibid., Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778 > image 165 of 293. 1773 Religious Marriage Record (left page, 2nd entry).(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32399-12108-26?cc=2037955 : accessed 19 November 2015). 
  3. Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 73 of 131. 1775 Baptismal Record, bottom left page. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32399-12831-27?cc=2037955 : accessed 19 November 2015). 
  4. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 1347 of 1463. 1850 Death Record No. 39. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12662-58715-84?cc=1709358 : accessed 18 November 2015). 
  5. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 1343 & 1344 of 1446. 1805 (21 pluviose an 13) Marriage Record No. 100 (part 1). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-62479-92?cc=1709358 : accessed 19 November 2015) and 1805 (21 pluviose an 13) Marriage Record No. 100 (part 2). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-72489-87?cc=1709358 : accessed 19 November 2015). 
  6. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 421 of 1446. 1779 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRPS-GQG?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL%3A129623201%2C130776701 : accessed 8 October 2015). 
  7. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 730 of 1446. 1788 Death Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRPS-NZW?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL%3A129623201%2C130776701 : accessed 8 October 2015). 
  8. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 510 of 1446. 1782 Baptismal Record (right page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRPS-F2B?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL%3A129623201%2C130776701 : accessed 27 May 2021. 
  9.   “Trier, Germany, Deaths, 1798-1950,” (index and images), Ancestry.com, citing “Zivil- und Personenstandsregister Sterberegister”, Stadtverwaltung Trier, Stadtarchiv, Trier, Germany. 1836 Death Record No. 540. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 28 May 2021). 
  10. “Trier, Germany, Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1600-1798,” (index and images), Ancestry.com, citing Genealogische dokumentation des Dechanten Heinrich Wurringent anhand der Trierer Kirchenbücher vor 1798, Bestand 60. Stadtverwaltung Trier, Trier, Deutschland. 1810 Marriage Record. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 27 May 2021). 
  11. Ibid., 1832 Marriage Record. (https://www.ancestry.com/ : accessed 27 May 2021). 
  12. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 946 of 1446. 1796 Death Record (left, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-62393-97?cc=1709358 : accessed 21 November 2015). 
  13. Ibid., Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 770 of 1463. 1829 Death Record No. 39. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSSS-H3C?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-L29%3A129623201%2C129958201 : accessed 8 October 2015). 

The Ancestors: Sébastian Lanser (1732-1804) of Echternach and Maria Catharina Hastert (1743-1808) of Steinheim

My fifth great-grandparents, Sébastian LANSER of Echternach and Maria Catharina HASTERT of Steinheim were married on 10 September 1760 in Steinheim. Sébastian’s father Jean LANSER was deceased. Maria Catharina’s father Jean Adam HASTERT was still living. The information was found on the card index in a collection that includes all church marriages in Luxembourg before 1767.1

Not noted on the index card are the names of the mothers of the bride and groom. Both were still living. Maria Catharina’s mother was Odilia FUNCK (1718-1778); Sébastian’s mother was Johanna FASS (1692-1774).

Card Index of the Marriage Record

At the bottom of the card index, the name of the parish, the volume number of the church register, and the page number are found. These help find the original entry.

Marriage Record

On FamilySearch in the church records for Echternach, I searched for the collection that would include marriages in 1760 and found Mariages, décès 1706-1778, that is to say, marriages and deaths for the years 1706-1778. The first image of the collection gives the volume number as well as a short table of content with page numbers.

The marriage record was found on page 248 of register 4. Two marriages took place on 10 September 1760 with the LANSER-HASTERT marriage being noted second.

The marriage entry in the register is in Latin.

On the same day (referring to the previous entry for the 10th) in the presence of Jean FUNCK of Bech and Jean Adam HASTERT of Steinheim, Father Constantine in Steinheim solemnized the marriage between the respectable young Sébastian, the legitimate son of the deceased Jean LANSER of Echternach, and Maria Catharina, the legitimate daughter of Jean Adam HASTERT of Steinheim. 

The second man present at the marriage was Maria Catharina’s maternal grandfather Jean FUNCK (1688-1773) of Bech.2

The Church of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Steinheim, Luxembourg.

The couple, in all likelihood, said their vows in Steinheim in the Church of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in front of the 17th-century Baroque sandstone altar.

The LANSER children

Sébastian, a draper, and his wife Maria Catharina lived in Echternach where they raised their family of ten children.

Johann Adam was baptized on 25 March 17623 and died before 1766. This child was not enumerated on the census of 1766 with his parents, brother Heinrich, and his paternal grandmother Johanna FASS (1692-1774).4

Heinrich was baptized on 13 March 17645 and died on 19 November 1827 at the age of 63.6 He married Anne-Marie HERR on 20 September 1791.7

Anna Maria was baptized on 20 May 17678 and died on 7 July 1803 at the age of 36.9 She was never married.

Odilia was baptized on 10 January 177010 and died on 24 December 1828 at the age of 58.11 She was never married.

Catharina was baptized on 11 November 177212 and died on 15 January 1833 at the age of 60.13 She married Johann HERR on 20 September 1791.14

Catharina was baptized was 2 February 1774.15 No record of marriage or death has been found. [See Research Manager at the end of this post.]

Eva was baptized on 13 May 177716 and died on 19 March 1862 at the age of 84.17 She married Henri CONSBRÜCK, son of Johann CONSBRÜCK and Barbara SCHMIDT, on 10 February 1805.18 Eva and Henri were my 4th great-grandparents.

Margaretha was baptized on 24 March 178019 and died on 9 March 1852 at the age of 71.20 She married Johann SELM on 9 June 1811.21

Nicolas was baptized on 18 November 178222 and died on 23 October 1828 at the age of 45.23 He married Catharina Magdalena JOERG between 7 and 20 September 1813. The date was omitted from the marriage record. The record was found between a marriage on the 7th and on the 20th.24

Peter was baptized on 5 June 178525 and died on 3 February 1815 at the age of 29.26 He was never married. Per military records found for Peter, he was presumed to be a prisoner of war in Russia on 11 October 1812. He was in the same military unit as his 1C1R Sébastian LANSER and other men from the Echternach area.27 He came home to Echternach where he died a little over two years later.

Forty-four years of marriage

Sébastian died at the age of 72 on 13 June 180428, a few months before his 44th marriage anniversary. His widow Maria Catharina died on 10 March 1808 at the age of 65.29

DNA Matches

Two very low DNA matches for my mother lead me on a virtual trip to Danzig, England, and Australia. Nicolas, the middle child of Sébastian and Maria Catharina’s son Heinrich, went to Danzig, then a part of Prussia, where he married and raised a family of at least eleven children. One of these children, a son, went to Kent, England, where he raised a family of five sons with an English lady. Four of these sons eventually went to Australia. The matches, a 5th cousin (7 cMs > unweighted 10 cMs) and a 5th cousin once removed (10 cMs > unweighted 16 cMs), are descendants of two of the four Australian immigrants.

Research Manager

I see nothing wrong with sharing the things you are still uncertain about. 
~ Amy Cohen of Brotmanblog: A Family Journey

Update: A comment/question left by Amy yesterday on this post brought about a small change in the way I’ll be doing these posts. I’ve added one more section heading to the post: Research Manager, a place to add the things I’m not certain about and will be looking into in the future.

The LANSER-HASTERT couple had two daughters named Catharina. It is not unusual in Luxembourg families for children to have the same names. Others who’ve researched this line (including the compilers of both family books for Echternach) show the first daughter to be the one who married. I suspect this to be incorrect. I think it is possible that Catharina b. 1772 died before the birth of Catharina b. 1774. I searched for a death/burial entry in the church records from 1772-1778 without results. Records that would show the age of Catharina who married in 1791 need to be checked to prove/disprove when she was born, in 1772 or 1774.

Thanks to Amy’s question about the two daughters with the same name, this new section will include things I am planning to research. Hopefully, this will lead to answers from readers who may have already looked into the points in question.

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Sébastian LANSER
Occupation: Draper, a person who sells cloth, clothing, etc.
Parents: Johann Peter LANSER and Johanna FASS
Spouse: Maria Catharina HASTERT
Parents of spouse: Jean Adam HASTERT and Odilia FUNCK
Whereabouts: Echternach and Steinheim
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 5th great-grandparents

1. Sébastian LANSER and Maria Catharina HASTERT
2. Eva LANSER and Henri CONSBRÜCK
3. Anna Maria “Maria” CONSBRÜCK and Jean Joseph SCHLOESSER
4. Odile Lucie SCHLOESSER and André FOURNELLE
5. Jean Joseph FOURNELLE and Catharina FRANTZ
6. Marie Marcelle FOURNELLE and Nicolas WILDINGER
7. Living WILDINGER and Fred Roosevelt DEMPSEY
8. Catherine Ann “Cathy” DEMPSEY and Living MEDER
9. Our children

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


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  2. Ibid., Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778 > image 131 of 293. 1760 Marriage Record (left, 7th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-16N3?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM%3A1500937901%2C1501028848 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  3. Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 10 of 131. 1762 Baptismal Record (left, 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-1X8Y?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
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  5. Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 19 of 131. 1764 Baptismal Record (right, 4th entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-1XDP?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  6. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 733 of 1463. 1827 Death Record No. 74. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSSS-H6C?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-L29%3A129623201%2C129958201 : accessed 19 December 2017). 
  7. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 825 of 1446. 1791 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRPS-DW2?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL%3A129623201%2C130776701 : accessed 28 Jan 2013). 
  8. Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 33 of 131. 1767 Baptismal Record (right, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G971-1X83?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  9. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Naissances, mariages, décès 1796-1803 > image 510 of 517. 1803 Death Record No. 64 (18 messidor an XI). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997J-T4WV?cc=1709358&wc=9RTY-RMC%3A129623201%2C130672801 : accessed 19 December 2017). 
  10. Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 46 of 131. 1770 Baptismal Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9971-1X6K?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  11. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 754 of 1463. 1828 Death Record No. 61. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSSS-HS7?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-L29%3A129623201%2C129958201 : accessed 19 December 2017). 
  12. Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 60 of 131. 1772 Baptismal Record (right, 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L971-1X6J?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  13. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 865 of 1463. 1833 Death Record No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSSS-4Z7?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-L29%3A129623201%2C129958201 : accessed 19 December 2017). 
  14. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 825 of 1446. 1791 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRPS-DW2?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL%3A129623201%2C130776701 : accessed 28 Jan 2013). 
  15. Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 67 of 131. 1774 Baptismal Record (right, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L971-1XX8?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  16. Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 83 of 131. 1777 Baptismal Record (left, 4th entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-1X4C?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  17. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Décès 1856-1862 > image 181 of 205. 1862 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11022-10289-61?cc=1709358 : accessed 18 November 2015). 
  18. Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 1343+1344 of 1446. 1805 (21 pluviose an 13) Marriage Record No. 100 (part 1). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-62479-92?cc=1709358 : accessed 19 November 2015) and Marriage Record No. 100 (part 2). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-72489-87?cc=1709358 : accessed 19 November 2015). 
  19. Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1783 > image 47 of 177. 1780 Baptismal Record (right, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-M6QZ?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-YWT%3A1500937901%2C1500939202 : accessed 17 December 2017). 
  20. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 1402 of 1463. 1852 Death Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSSS-HY9?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-L29%3A129623201%2C129958201 : accessed 19 December 2017). 
  21. Ibid., Echternach > Mariages 1809 > image 111 of 1462. 1811 Marriage Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1MW-76P?cc=1709358&wc=9RYS-C68%3A129623201%2C129776101 : accessed 9 August 2021). 
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  24. Ibid., Echternach > Mariages 1809 > image 178 of 1462. 1813 Marriage No. 19. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1MW-QS4?cc=1709358&wc=9RYS-C68%3A129623201%2C129776101 : accessed 11 May 2021). 
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  26. Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Mariages 1887-1890 Décès 1796-1853 > image 411 of 1463. 1815 Death Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSSS-Q12?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-L29%3A129623201%2C129958201 : accessed 19 December 2017). 
  27. Matricules Napoléoniens 1802-1815 (index and images), Mémoire des hommes, Registres de matricules de l’armée Napoléonienne (garde impériale et de l’infanterie de ligne) pour la période 1802-1815. (Entry point for database https://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Matricules_Napol%C3%A9oniens_1802-1815/Mode_op%C3%A9ratoire), Number/Source: SHD/GR 21 YC 783, 108e régiment d’infanterie de ligne, 3 frimaire an XIV [24 novembre 1805]-25 novembre 1808 (matricules 3 001 à 6 000), Matricule: 3279, image 48 of 557. Matricule: 3279; Nom: LANSER; Prénoms: Pierre; Prénoms père: Sébastien; Prénoms mère: Marie Catherine; Nom mère: HASTERT; Lieu de naissance: Echternach; Département de naissance: Les Forêts, Luxembourg; Date de naissance: 05 juin 1785. (https://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/ark:/40699/e0052a8c4b390c4b/52a8c4b45cad3 : accessed 11 May 2021). 
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The Ancestors: A New Approach

The Ancestors series is taking on a new look and perspective.

I finished writing about all of my children’s 5th great-grandparents in January of 2018. Those posts were part of Amy Johnson Crow’s 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks challenge. I’d planned to continue with the next generation, their 6th great-grandparents, with my series The Ancestors but dropped the ball several times.

Family history research will never be finished or ready to publish. Share what you have, make corrections and additions, write about your ancestors. Yes, it probably will remain a work in progress or a draft of a family book. By sharing what you think is incomplete, you may reach someone who has the missing information or the key to open the door in your brick wall.

This closing paragraph from my final post on my children’s 5th great-grandparents, 52 Ancestors: #47 Michel Trausch and Catharina Hames of Mamer, is my new approach for the posts I’ll be doing on their 6th great-grandparents.

The Ancestors – 9th Generation
6th Great-grandparents

The list of 6th great-grandparents is LONG. I’ve spent a lot of time researching a few of them, as seen in the number of posts I’ve written for the maternal ancestors (my side of our children’s tree) at the end of the list. Ancestor numbers in bold indicate those that have been featured on this blog.

(256 & 257) Adami MEDER and Elisabetha ESCH
(258 & 259) Joannes REINERS and wife Maria (parents of Susanna REINERS aka LAMBERT)
(260 & 261) Michaelis WILMES and Barbara JACQUEMIN
(262 & 263) Mr. SCHEID (SCHOOD) and Anna Maria FETH
(264 & 265) BRICK WALL (paternal grandparents of Théodore REIFFER)
(266 & 267) BRICK WALL (maternal grandparents of Théodore REIFFER)
(268 & 269) Joannes CLOOS and Anne Marie KLAREN
(270 & 271) Nikolaus THEWES and Gertrud LESSEN
(272 & 273) Joannis ADAM and Margaritha (first married to THOMMES)
(274 & 275) Jacobi WOLTER and Marie Elisabeth MEYERS
(276 & 277) Joannes SCHENTEN x KOECHER and Catharina KOSTERS
(278 & 279) Parents of Cathérine OBERECKEN
(280 & 281) Mathias LORENS and Eva FRENTZ
(282 & 283) Petri STENGENFORT and unknown wife
(284 & 285) Joannis PREISER and Anna Maria FETH
(286 & 286) Petrus SCHRANTZ and Anne Marie HAMEN
(288 & 289) Jean “Joannis” SCHWARTZ and Maria HEINZ
(290 & 291) Mathia HALER and Angela ALENTS
(292 & 293) Johann Gerard TRIERWEILER and Elisabeth KERSCH
(294 & 295) Carl HOFFMANN and Angela ROSPORT
(296 & 297) Philippi SCHMITT and Apollonia MATTES
(298 & 299) Matthias PLEIN and Margaretha VALERIUS
(300 & 301) Johann WOLLSCHEID and Anna Maria WILLWERT
(302 & 303) Johann BARTHELMES and Eva BARZEN
(304 & 305) Johann Peter GORGES and Anna Maria HORSCH
(306 & 307) Nikolaus RODENS and Anna SCHUE
(308 & 309) BRICK WALL (parents of Caspar BOTZ)
(310 & 311) BRICK WALL (parents of Magdalena MASEN)
(312 & 313) Nicolaus SCHERFF and Helena OTTO
(314 & 315) Dominique STEIMETZ and Helena “Magdalena” KOCH
(316 & 317) Daniel and Elisabetha CLEMENS
(318 & 319) Matthias WEBER and Anna Margaretha FEILEN
(320 & 321) Henri and Magdalena  CREMERS
(322 & 323) Joannes VENANDI and Maria HOSINGER
(324 & 325) Johann THIVELS alias FRIEDERICH and Catharina FEDERSPIEL
(326 & 327) Martin HUNTGES and Marguerite MAY
(328 & 329) Johann Heinrich “Henri” MERKES and Anna ROSS
(330 & 331) Anton WAGENER and Catharina PIRSCH
(332 & 333) Mathias HASTERT and Anne NIEDERKORN
(334 & 335) Jean SCHMIDT and Maria LENTZ
(336 & 337) Leonard GRITIUS and Marie NEIEN
(338 & 339) Jean SCHETTERT and Anna Catharina SCHAACK
(340 & 341) Jean Baptiste SCHAEFFER and Catherine SCHAACK
(342 & 343) Nicolas GREISCH and Susanne ROLLINGER
(344 & 345) Michel WECKERING and Anna Maria DALEYDEN
(346 & 347) BRICK WALL  (parents of Marguerite LASCHEID)
(348 & 349) Jacob BERNARD and Jeanne CAPPUS
(350 & 351) Valentin GREBER and Christina STEFFEN
(352 & 353) Dominique PEFFER and Marguerite SINTGEN
(354 & 355) Nicolas PIERRET and Anna Maria ROBINET
(356 & 357) Nicolas GRASSER vulgo REUTERS and Elisabetha WINANDY
(358 & 359) Léonard HOSCHEID and Marie Catharina REULAND
(360 & 361) Pierre ZWANG and Anne Marie HUSCHET
(362 & 363) Johann WELTER and Anna Maria FELTES
(364 & 365) Jean DHAM and Marie WELTER
(366 & 367) Nicolas KIMES and Anna Maria STRENG
(368 & 369) Peter MERTES and Marguerite BIVER
(370 & 371) Johann DONNEN and Barbara CHRITOPHORY
(372 & 373) Casparus ERPELDING and Gertrudes JEHNEN
(374 & 375) Peter CONRADT and Anna Catharina ROEDER
(376 & 377) Petrus RUCKERT and Anna Catharina SPEYER
(378 & 379) Petrus MICHELS and Susanna MARTIN aka MERTES
(380 & 381) Peter SCHMIT and Rosa CLEMENS
(382 & 383) Nicolas WEICKER and Anne Margarethe HARTMANN
(384 & 385) BRICK WALL (great-grandparents of William A. W. DEMPSEY)
(386 & 387) BRICK WALL (great-grandparents of William A. W. DEMPSEY)
(388 & 389) BRICK WALL (great-grandparents of William A. W. DEMPSEY)
(390 & 391) BRICK WALL (great-grandparents of William A. W. DEMPSEY)
(392 & 393) Bailey WOOD and Nancy, his wife (8 January 2020)
(394 & 395) Martin McGRAW and Margaret “Polly”, his wife (22 January 2020)
(396 & 397) Hans Jacob HONEGGER and Maria GOETZ:
The Ancestors: Hans Jacob HONEGGER and Maria GOETZ (396+397) (29 January 2020)
The Ancestors: Hans Jacob HONEGGER and Maria GOETZ (Part II) (6 February 2020)
(398 & 399) Isaac WISEMAN and Elizabeth DAVIS:
The Ancestors: Isaac WISEMAN (1738-1818) and Elizabeth DAVIS (1738-1807) (10 March 2020)
(400 & 401) Ester INGRAM – an assumption
(402 & 403) John KINCAID and Elizabeth Hannah GILLESPIE
(404 & 405) William JOHNSON Sr. and Amy NELSON
The 1806 Administrator Bond for the Estate of William Johnson Sr. (1755-1805) (13 September 2019)
(406 & 407) James SIMS and Phebe (see the link to the page with all posts for James SIMS) (April to September 2018)
James SIMS (1754-1845) Pioneer of Nicholas County, West Virginia (biography written in 2002)
(408 & 409) Susannah (maiden name unknown) DEMPSEY and her BRICK WALL husband
(410 & 411) James LANDRUM and his unknown wife
(412 & 413) Phillip GOING and Judith POTTER
(414 & 415) William CRISP and his wife Lucy
(416 & 417) Henry RUPE and Catherine Barbara NOLL
Henry RUPE and Catherine Barbara NOLL ~ The Early Years in Maryland (1765-1793) (19 March 2016)
Henry RUPE and Catherine Barbara NOLL ~ The Years in Rockbridge (1793-1801) (26 March 2016)
Henry RUPE and Catherine Barbara NOLL ~ At Home on the Old Henry Roop Place (3 April 2016)
Henry RUPE and Catherine Barbara NOLL ~ Family Life in Montgomery County, Virginia (9 April 2016)
The Last Will and Testament of Henry RUPE 1765-1845 (16 April 2016)
Henry RUPE’s Estate and his Widow Catherine’s Last Days (23 April 2016)
A Date of Death for Catherine Barbara NOLL (1768-1859) (1 March 2017)
(418 & 419) Robert CARROLL and his wife Anne
(420 & 421) John LESTER II and Mary Ann TERRY
(422 & 423) Owen SUMNER and Sarah NEWTON
(424 & 425) John PETERS and wife – Can this be proven with DNA?
(426 & 427) Joseph LIVELY and Mary L. CASH
(428 & 429) Augustin PROFFITT and Elizabeth “Betsy” ROBERTSON
(430 & 431) Edward COCKRAM and his wife Mary
(432 & 433) Jeremiah CLAUNCH and his wife
(434 & 435) BRICK WALL (parents of Nancy BEASLEY)
(436 & 437) BRICK WALL (paternal grandparents of Mary E. DOSS)
(438 & 439) James DOSS Jr. and Elizabeth LESTER
(440 & 441) BRICK WALL (paternal grandparents of John COOLEY)
(442 & 443) BRICK WALL (maternal grandparents of John COOLEY
(444 & 445) Edward TREDWAY and Nancy MAGNESS
(446 & 447) BRICK WALL (maternal grandparents of Sarah Ann TREADWAY)
(448 & 449) Michel WILTINGER and Margaretha DIESBURG
(450 & 451) Michael WELTER and Katharian KLEIN
(452 & 453) Matthias SCHRAMEN and Anna Barbara LEIBRICH (BURG)
(454 & 455) Sebastian SCHMITT and Maria LORANG
(456 & 457) Nikolaus WEYMAN and Maria Katharina HUSS
(458 & 459) Gerard MALAMBRÉ and Barbara BIESDORF
(460 & 461) Johann Bernard WELTER and Maria BRIMERS
(462 & 463) Johann HENNES and Magdalena MÜLLER
(464 & 465) Peter BUBELREITER and Gertrud LAMBERTI or BOSEN
(466 & 467) Johann BOMMES and Anna Maria Luzia THIELEN
(468 & 469) Peter MERTSCHERT and Susanna “Anna”SCHNEIDER
(470 & 471) Theodor MERGEN and Gertrud THELEN
(472 & 473) Johann Nicolaus WAGNER and Anna Maria KLEIWER
(474 & 475) Johann HARTERT and Elisabeth HEINZ
(476 & 477) Peter KERSCHT and Eva SCHMIDS
(478 & 479) Gerhard EWEN and Barbara THEILEN
(480 & 481) Pierre FOURNELLE and Jeanne NEU
(482 & 483) Jean SCHMIT and Eve DUCKER
(484 & 485) Jacques PHILIPPART and Catherine SINGER aka KETTER
(486 & 487) Henri MEUNIER and Margaretha KILBOUR
(488 & 489) Joseph SCHLOESSER and Catherine ARENDT
(490 & 491) Nicolas TRAUDT and Barbe BILL
(492 & 493) Johann CONSBRÜCK and Barbara SCHMIDT
(494 & 495) Sébastian LANSER and Maria Catharina HASTERT
(496 & 497) Nicolas Frantz and Angélique Bartel of Semming, Rodemack, France (10 May 2021)
UPDATE to The Ancestors: Nicolas Frantz and Angélique Bartel of Semming, Rodemack, France (18 May 2021)
(498 & 499) Nicolaus Küffer and Susanna Schiltz of Mamer, Luxembourg (3 May 2021)
(500 & 501) Joannes FRISCH (1713-1759) and Margaretha ZEIMES (1727-1792) of Huncherange (25 April 2021)
(502 & 503) Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794) of Mamer and Anna BERNARD (1742-ca1763) of Nospelt (14 April 2021)
(504 & 505) Jean MAJERUS and Margretha BREGER
A Hidden Index for Luxembourg City’s Parishes and Garrison (24 May 2019)
How the Jean MAJERUS Brick Wall Crumbled – The Keys and Doors Which Made It Happen! (2 June 2019)
The Farm Where the Majerus Family Lived in the 1700s (11 June 2019)
Jean MAJERUS and Margretha BREGER from Gronn to Strassen (21 June 2019)
Proving the True Identity of Jean Baptiste BREGER 1738-1805 (28 June 2019)
(506 & 507) Hubert CORNELY and Margaretha EVEN
Hubert CORNELY and Margaretha EVEN of Wickrange, Luxembourg (4 May 2019)
The Key that Opened the Door in the Schintgen Brick Wall (4 May 2019)
Luxracines’ Marriage Database Helps Solve the Confusion of John Monner’s Marriage(s) (19 May 2019)
(508 & 509) Remacle TRAUSCH and Theresia BRAUN (COLLING)
Part I: Remacle Trausch (1761-1804) and Theresia Braun (1766-1798) of Colmar (26 July 2019)
Part II: Why was Theresia BRAUN also seen as Theresia COLLING? (2 Ausgut 2019)
Part III: “Maison dite” Leads to Parents and Grandparents of Magdalena SCHMIDT (1743-1782) (9 August 2019)
Part IV: The Parents and Siblings of Remacle TRAUSCH (1761-1804) (16 August 2019)
Part V: A Horrific Crime in the Fortress City of Luxembourg (23 August 2019)
Part VI: Tying up the loose ends (30 August 2019)
Was the Verdict in the 1816 Murder Case a Miscarriage of Justice? (6 September 2019)
(510 & 511) Johannes HAMES and Agnes BOUR alias HEITZ (8 July 2019)

128 sets of 6th great-grandparents

Fourteen couples are brick walls, i.e. names are not known, and fifteen couples have already been featured. That leaves 99 known couples who have been looked into (some research done) who still need to be written up.

Blogging has helped me to improve my research skills. As I worked on the posts, I found that I was doing deeper and more thorough research into all couples’ children, siblings, and parents. This was taking up a lot of time as I documented each new piece of evidence. New research questions came up as the records were analyzed. Interesting facts were found and asked to be researched further – taking me down some very interesting rabbit holes.

At a rate of one post a week, it would take two years to get this generation of ancestors done. Researching, analyzing documentation, citing sources, and putting everything together to write the post (as I have been doing them) now takes much longer than a week.

The length of my posts has also become an issue. I need to choose between too much information in one post, writing multiple posts, or trying a new concept.

I’ve decided that for the 3/4 of my children’s tree that is Luxembourgish, I will be featuring the marriage record of each couple and a list of known children. The records will be more easily located for their maternal side as they are from the mid-1700s to about 1800. For their paternal side, these will be records from the early to mid-1700s. If they are non-existent, I will have to use substitutes to “prove” the marriage. The Genealogy Sketch box will be included at the end of each post, bringing together all articles written for the direct line of the ancestral couple to my children.

I’m thinking of working my way up the list from the bottom to the top, starting with ancestors 494 & 495: Sébastian LANSER and Maria Catharina HASTERT. Hopefully, this will get me back to blogging and give me a little more time for the other important things in my life.

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

The Ancestors: Joannes FRISCH (1713-1759) and Margaretha ZEIMES (1727-1792) of Huncherange

When I wrote about my 4th great-grandfather Jacob FRISCH in January 2018, I had only the names of his parents from his 1789 marriage record: the deceased Joannes FRISCH and his wife Margaretha ZEIMET of Huncherange in Luxembourg.

I had no idea when Jacob was born or if the village his parents lived in was also his birthplace. I searched the records of the parish of Noertzange to which Huncherange was attached for the years 1760 to 1770 without success.

I didn’t know at the time that Jacob was 33 years old when he married Regina HUBERTY in 1789. Once I had the right time frame, I was able to locate the baptismal records of seven children born in Huncherange to my 5th great-grandparents Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES. In each of the baptismal records, the mother’s maiden name was spelled ZEIMES and not ZEIMET as seen in the 1789 marriage record of Jacob FRISCH.

Joannes and Margaretha were a married couple as early as 1746 according to the baptismal records of their children however no marriage record has been found. Who were Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES? Did they leave any clues to their own parentage? Were they both from Huncherange or had one or both of them come from somewhere else?

The children of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES

On 14 August 1746, Maria FRISCH (1746-1746), a daughter born to Joannes and Margaretha, was baptized in Noertzange. Her godparents were Nicolas SCHÖPFGEN and Maria ZEIMES, a single woman, both of Huncherange. In the margin of the baptismal record, a notation was made. Little Maria died on 27 November 1746 at the age of a little more than three months.1

A year later, on 3 November 1747 Petrus FRISCH (1747-1794) was baptized. His godparents were Petrus ZEIMES v. Zentgen and Barbara DONDLINGER, both from Huncherange and both single.2

A second son, Joannes FRISCH (1750-1816) was baptized on 27 August 1750. His godparents were Joannes STEICHEN and Maria Magdalena HANEN, a single woman, both of Huncherange. The baby Joannes was born the previous day.3

Elisabetha FRISCH (1752-1834) was baptized on 8 September 1752 with Dominicus LANTGEN and Elisabetha DONDLINGER uxor (wife of) Christophe WESTER, both of Huncherange, serving as her godparents.4

A third son, Nicolaus FRISCH (1754-1754) was born on 9 September 1754. The following day Nicolas KIRPACH, a single man from Finningen, and Elisabetha SCHOLTES, a single woman from Huncherange, were named as his godparents. Ten days later, on the 19th, Nicolaus died.5

1755 Baptismal Record of Jacob FRISCH, son of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES of Huncherange

Joannes and Margaretha’s sixth child, my 4th great-grandfather Jacob FRISCH (1755-1800) was baptized on 4 September 1755. His godparents were Jacobus LANTGES, single, and Barbara FRANCK (alias KRIPS) uxor (wife of) Dominique FRANCK of Huncherange.6

The last child was Joanna FRISCH (1757-1836) baptized on 3 October 1757. Her godparents were Michael SCHÖFGEN and Joanna BOURNON, both of Huncherange and single.7

Are the godparents of the children clues to the grandparents?

None of the children had godparents with their father’s surname FRISCH. Two of the children had godparents with their mother’s maiden name ZEIMES. Maria ZEIMES, a single woman, and Petrus ZEIMES vulgo (more commonly known as) ZENTGEN both of Huncherange.

All records for Huncherange and Noertzange on FamilySearch and Matricula were viewed. Two death records were found for persons with the ZEIMES name – Maria and Petrus. No children, parents, godparents, or other relatives with the surnames ZEIMES or FRISCH were found other than the baptismal records of the above-named children and the two death records.

1773 Death/Burial Record of Maria ZEIMES of Huncherange

In 1773 Maria ZEIMES age about 40, daughter of Nicolas ZEIMES and Maria HAUPERT died in Huncherange.8 In 1775 Petrus ZEIMES age about 40, son of Joannes ELM and Maria BRAUSCH of Abweiler, died in Huncherange.9 As their parents’ names were given and different, they were not siblings. But could they have been cousins? How were they related to Margaretha ZEIMES? Were they the same persons as Maria ZEIMES and Petrus ZEIMES who served as godparents for the FRISCH children? A godparent normally is at least 16 years old. Maria would have been about 13 in 1746 and Peter 12 in 1747 if the ages at death are close estimates. Too young to be godparents but, if their age at death was in their forties, they may have been old enough.

I took a closer look at the description on Matricula for the records classified under Hüncheringen or Huncherange. In the 18th century, there were two parishes in Fenningen or Fennange and Noertzingen or Noertzange (with a branch in Hüncheringen). From 1804 Fenningen and Hüncheringen belonged to the parish of Noertzingen as branches. It was also noted that some church registers for this parish for the 17th and 18th centuries are still in the possession of civil authorities and are not available to the Diocesan Archives of Luxembourg. No mention was made of which records these may be. I opened up each set of registers for the time period and compared them with those available on FamilySearch. The records missing on Matricula are on FamilySearch. On Matricula, substitutes for the missing records are available in the form of transcriptions of births, marriages, and deaths for Huncherange, Noertzange, and Fennange. These transcriptions are dated 1973.

I browsed the KB-08, a church book in the Huncherange collection that includes baptisms for Fennange for 1704-1796. This book is not available on FamilySearch. I discovered a baptismal record dated 14 April 1727 for Margaretha ZEUMES, daughter of Nicolai ZEUMES ex Schuveiler and Regina HUPERT ex Abweiler, with godparents Anthonio KAUFFMAN and Margaretha HUPERT of Abweiler.10

1727 Baptismal Record of Margaretha ZEUMES. Courtesy of Matricula.

ZEUMES is a variation of ZEIMES and HUPERT a variation of HAUPERT. Could this be my 5th great-grandmother Margaretha ZEIMES? Was she the sister of Maria ZEIMES? If this child was my ancestor, she would have been 19 years old at the time of her first child’s birth. [For those of you paying close attention to the records, yes, the mother’s first name is different from the first name of the mother of Maria ZEIMES mentioned earlier. Maria’s death record is a mess. Her father’s name is Nicolai ZEIMES in the death record but if you look closely it may have been Joannes Nicolai ZEIMES.]

Since this baptismal record was only found on Matricula, I wonder how many more records have been missed or are missing on FamilySearch? Matricula has gone to the top of my list right after FamilySearch for the place to search for Luxembourg records.

Margaretha, widowed with 5 children in 1759

Joannes FRISCH died on 12 October 1759 in Huncherange.11 His age at death is hidden in the gutter of the church book filmed by FamilySearch. The transcription of this book found on Matricula includes his age at death. This is not surprising as the 1973 transcriptions must have been done from the original records before they were microfilmed by FamilySearch. Joannes was 46 years old and therefore born about 1713.12

1759 Death Entry for Joannes FRISCH. FamilySearch
1759 Death Entry Nr. 56 (transcription of original record). Matricula

Margaretha was now widowed with five children ages 12, 9, 7, 4, and 2. What did she do to support her family? Did she have relatives in the village? Her husband had been a linen weaver. Could he have been working for another weaver in the village? Did Margaretha continue to do the same kind of work? In whatever way, she was able to raise her five children to adulthood. They were well into their twenties before they married and left home.

The children begin to leave home, marry, and have children

At the age of 23, her second son Joannes FRISCH (1750-1816) married Marie Catherine NIEDERKORN (1753-1818) on 10 January 1774 in Noertzange.13 They made their home in Huncherange where their first child, a son named Dominique was born. The first grandchild of Joannes FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMES was baptized on 1 April 1776 in Noertzange.14

Two more marriages took place before more grandchildren were born. Elisabetha FRISCH (1752-1834) was 24 years old when she married Henri HOSTERT (1747-1793) on 5 November 1776 in Noertzange.15 The oldest FRISCH son, Petrus was 29 years old when he married Anna KREMMER (1749-1808) on 10 February 1777 in Dudelange.16

Eighteen grandchildren were born between 1776 and 1789. Three of the grandchildren did not survive leaving fifteen grandchildren living in 1789.

To Petrus and his wife were born Michael 1778, Martin 1781, Maria 1782, Jean 1785, and Michael 1788.

To Joannes and his wife were born Michael 1777, Johann 1778, Jacob 1780 (died 1781), Jacob 1782 (died 1784), Jacob 1784, Elisabetha 4 April 1787 (died age 5 days), and Michael 1788.

To Elisabeth and her husband were born Jeanne 1777, Elisabeth 1780, Maria 1782, Carolus 1785, and Margaretha 1787.

Petrus’ children were born in Dudelange and Joannes’ in Huncherange. Elisabeth’s first three daughters were born in Huncherange. Her HOSTERT family moved to Mamer before the birth of her son Carolus in 1785. This move may have influenced Margaretha’s youngest son Jacob FRISCH to marry in Mamer.

Jacob was 33 years old when he married Regina HUBERTY (1761-1840) on 3 March 1789 in Mamer.17 Jacob and Regina were my 4th great-grandparents. They made their home in the village of Capellen in the municipality of Mamer.

Jacob’s siblings continued to have children. Elisabeth had Magdalena in 1790. Joannes’s wife gave birth to Christophorus the same year in Huncherange. Petrus’ wife had Stephanus in 1791 in Dudelange. Joannes’ wife had Marguerite in 1792 in Huncherange. The children born to Petrus and Joannes’ wives were their last. Elisabeth’s daughter Margaretha died at the age of 3 years in December 1790.

Margaretha ZEIMES’ youngest daughter was 34 years old when she finally decided to marry. Joanna married Joannes PIRSCH (1750-1821) on 23 April 1792 in Weimerskirch.18 He was a widowed shoemaker.

Following this marriage, Margaretha would see two more grandchildren born. Susanna, the first child of Jacob and Regina, was born on 26 June 1792 in Capellen.19 Elisabeth’s last HOSTERT child, Jean was born three months later in Mamer.

Margaretha ZEIMES dies in Mamer in 1792

Margaretha ZEIMES, the widow of the linen weaver Joannes FRISCH, died on 1 December 1792 in Mamer at the age of 64.20 She had seen all of her five children marry. She had 20 living grandchildren; four had not survived infancy. Her youngest child Joanna was pregnant with her first child.

Elisabeth’s husband Henri HOSTERT died on 2 April 1793.21 Their youngest son Jean died the same month. These deaths were followed by the birth of Joanna’s first child Bernard PIRSCH born in May 1793 in Dommeldange (Luxembourg City). Sadly, he died a month later. Elisabeth who had already lost her husband and youngest son two months earlier had to bury another child when her daughter Maria died at the age of 11.

Elisabeth, widowed with four children, was 41 years old when she married 31 years old Peter GOERGEN (1762-1833). Peter was a linen weaver like Elisabeth’s father, late husband, and her brother Jacob FRISCH who was a witness to the marriage on 6 March 1794 in Mamer.22

The following month, my ancestor Jacob became a father for the second time. Anna Margaretha was born on 24 April 1794 in Capellen.23

The first of Joannes and Margaretha’s children dies in Dudelange

Petrus, the oldest son of Margaretha ZEIMES and Joannes FRISCH, died on 17 May 1794 in Dudelange at the age of 46, the same age as his father.24 He left a wife and at least three living children of six known to have been born to his wife. Death records for the three oldest have not been searched for. It is possible that they may not have survived their father. The three youngest married and had children.

Six more grandchildren were born: Catharina PIRSCH in 1794 in Dommeldange, Mathias GOERGEN in 1795 in Hostert, Franciscus FRISCH in 1796 in Capellen, Theodor GOERGEN in 1797 in Oberanven, Nicolaus FRISCH in 1798 in Capellen, and finally Elisabeta FRISCH, my 3rd great-grandmother, in 1800.

The turn of the century brings confusing and conflicting records

There is some conflicting evidence concerning Elisabeta’s birth and her father’s death. The civil records show 44 years old Jacob FRISCH died on 11 March 180025 in Capellen three months before his daughter Elisabeta was born on 2 June 1800 in Capellen. Her mother was the informant for her birth and her father Jacob FRISCH was named as deceased.26 Church records, on the other hand, tell a different story. Elisabeta was born on 5 April 1800 and baptized the following day.27 Her father died on 7 April 1800, the day after her baptism.28 Official civil registration was introduced in the Grand Duchy by a French decree in 1797. From this time forward church records were no longer considered legal documents. When Elisabeta married in 1827 the date of her civil birth record was noted on her marriage record and not the date on the church record.

Margaretha and Joannes’ son Jacob, therefore per civil records, died three months before their last grandchild was born. Three of their children were still living after the turn of the century. Their son Joannes died 30 July 1816 in Bettembourg at the age of 65,29 daughter Elisabetha died 13 January 1834 in Hostert at the age of 81,30 and daughter Joanna died 13 February 1836 in Dommeldange at the age of 78.31

The legacy left by Joannes FRISCH

My fifth great-grandfather Joannes FRISCH left a legacy for his descendants. What he passed on to them was not a gift of money or property. He passed on the trade of weaving linen. His son Petrus was a weaver, his son Jacob was a linen weaver, and his daughter Elisabeth’s husbands were both linen weavers. Not all of his children took up the weaving trade. His son Joannes was a cobbler and his daughter Joanna married a shoemaker.

The trade of linen weaving was passed on for several generations. My 4th great-grandfather Jacob‘s daughters married linen weavers and one of his sons was a linen weaver before emigrating to America in 1856 with his brother to both become farmers. My 3rd great-grandmother Elisabeta‘s youngest son Jean FRANTZ was a linen weaver when he married in 1870. On the 1900 census, my 2nd great-grandfather was listed as a master weaver. His daughter, my great-grandmother Catharina FRANTZ finally broke the streak by marrying a Rosenzüchter or rose grower in 1900. 

Joannes FRISCH left a legacy but no records that helped to determine his parentage. His wife Margaretha ZEIMES may have been the daughter of Nicolas ZEIMES and Regina HAUPERT. No further records have been found for them. Maybe one day…

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


  1. Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 9 of 75. 1746 Baptismal Record (right, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-MXVR?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  2. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 10 of 75. 1747 Baptismal Record (left, bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6GJ?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  3. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 11 of 75. 1750 Baptismal Record (right page, 3rd entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6PG?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  4. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 12 of 75. 1752 Baptismal Record (right, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-MXZK?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  5. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 14 of 75. 1754 Baptismal Record (left, 2nd entry); includes death annotation in margin. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MX45?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : acccessed 15 January 2018). 
  6. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 14 of 75. 1755 Baptismal Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MX45?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 8 January 2018). 
  7. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 6 of 75. 1757 Baptismal Record (left, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6TR?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  8. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 66 of 75. 1773 Death Record (right page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-MXQR?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  9. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 67 of 75. 1775 Death Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-MX9W?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 23 April 2021), 
  10. Diözesanarchiv Luxemburg / Archives diocésaines Luxembourg (images), Matricula Online, http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/, Creative Commons License CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 (citing original records in the Luxembourg Diocesan Archives, Luxembourg City), Hüncheringen, KB-08 Einband defekt, Foliierung übernommen, (Fenningen) Taufen [1704-1796] S.2-31, Sterbefälle [1748-1765] S.81-83a, [1767-1775] S.79-80a, Heiraten [1748-1776] S.85-92a, Visitation [1755] S.84, image 6 of 47, p. 5. 1727 Baptismal Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/huencheringen/KB-08/?pg=6 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  11. Luxembourg parish records (FamilySearch), Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 64 of 75. 1759 Death Record (left, bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-M61J?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  12. Luxembourg parish records (Matricula), GV.MF 172-285, Hüncheringen, KB-06 amtliche Abschrift, Formbuch, Sterbefälle (Hüncheringen) [1741-1796] S.2-56, image 12 of 30. 1759 Death Entry No. 56 (age 46). (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/huencheringen/KB-06/?pg=12 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  13. Luxembourg parish records (FamilySearch), Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 46 of 75. 1774 Marriage Record (right, bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M62R?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  14. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 19 of 75. 1776 Baptismal Record (right, 5th entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M65Z?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  15. Ibid., Noertzange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1741-1796 > image 47 of 75. 1776 Marriage Record (right, 1st full entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-M6TV?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-Y4H%3A1501099673%2C1501108020 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  16. Ibid., Dudelange > Mariages 1775-1796 > image 7 of 38. 1777 Marriage Record (right, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-9NC1?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-MNR%3A1500943101%2C1501098244 : accessed 15 January 2018). 
  17. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 106 of 168. 1789 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32402-680-82?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  18. Ibid., Weimerskirch > Mariages 1778-1796, sépultures 1778-1797 > image 213 of 238. 1792 Marriage Record (left page, middle).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-9QFV?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-WQ9%3A1500941701%2C1501018356 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  19. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 138 of 168. 1792 Baptismal Record (right page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32402-636-77?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  20. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 148 of 168. 1792 Death Record (right, 3rd entry from bottom).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-SVW?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-C6G%3A1500941501%2C1500913302 : accessed 5 January 2018). 
  21. Luxembourg parish records (Matricula), Mamer, KB-18 neuer Einband, Paginierung übernommen, Taufen, Heiraten, Sterbefälle [1779-1793] S. 1-349, image 168 of 172. 1793 Death Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-18/?pg=168 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  22. Ibid., GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, image 79 of 128. 1794 Marriage Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=79 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  23. Luxembourg parish records (FamilySearch), Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1790-1804 > image 7 of 30. 1794 Baptismal entry 14 (right page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32402-330-60?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  24. Ibid., Dudelange > Baptêmes, sépultures 1774-1796 > image 125 of 132. 1794 Death Record (entry 21). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-9N6V?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-MJQ%3A1500943101%2C1501085980 : accessed 24 January 2018). 
  25. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mamer > Mariages 1838-1890 Décès 1796-1880 > image 541 of 1497. 1800 Death Record (right page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12143-121167-96?cc=1709358 : accessed 29 November 2015). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). 
  26. Ibid., Mamer > Naissances 1796-1833 > image 53 of 549. 1800 Birth Record, right, top (13 prairial an VIII). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XS4P-9J?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-L29%3A130065401%2C130303901 : accessed 8 January 2018). Conflicting dates. 13 prairial an VIII converts to 2 June 1800. The church records show she was born 5 April 1800 and baptized the following day. 
  27. Luxembourg parish records (Matricula), Microfilm GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1790 – 1804, image 50 of 128, page 93, entry 5. 1800 Baptismal Record No. 5. (http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=50 : accessed 2 April 2021). 
  28. Ibid., Microfilm GV.MF 356-443, Mamer, KB-01, Heiraten – Sterbefälle – Taufen – 1790 – 1804, image 122 of 128, page 235 (stamped), 6th entry. 1800 Burial Record. (http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-01/?pg=122 : accessed 2 October 2018). Conflicting dates in the civil record (11 Mar 1800) and the burial record (7 April 1800). 
  29. Luxembourg civil records, Bettembourg > Mariages 1796-1890 Décès 1796-1885 > image 760 of 1479. 1816 Death Record (left, top). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6XP7-BV9?cc=1709358&wc=9RY3-K68%3A129623601%2C129637201 : accesed 26 January 2018). 
  30. Ibid., Niederanven > Mariages 1814-1890 Décès 1796-1849 > image 1270 of 1503. 1834 Death Record No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT3Q-2P4?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-PTL%3A130132201%2C130239901 : accessed 19 April 2021). 
  31. Ibid., Eich > Décès 1816-1856 > image 685 of 1490. 1836 Death Record No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X989-1LH?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-VZ9%3A129629601%2C129629602 : accessed 19 April 2021). 

The Ancestors: Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794) of Mamer and Anna BERNARD (1742-ca1763) of Nospelt

The story of my 5th great-grandparents Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794) of Mamer and Anna BERNARD (1742-ca.1763) begins with the birth of my 4th great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY on 3 March 1761.1 Born in Nospelt as the illegitimate daughter of Anna and Peter, Regina was legitimized when her parents married three and a half months later on 16 June 1761 in the parish of Schoenberg.2 Peter was from Mamer and Anna was from Nospelt.

Nospelt is a village in the commune of Kehlen, in south-western Luxembourg. It is known above all for its potters who were particularly successful during the 19th century. The origins of Nospelt’s pottery production go back to 1458.3 Nospelt celebrates its former potteries on Easter Monday with a traditional folk festival. The Emaischen festival, held in Nospelt and Luxembourg City, features little bird-shaped whistles made out of clay. The whistles are called Péckvillercher.4

Anna BERNARD (1742-ca. 1763)

Anna BERNARD, born in Nospelt, was baptized Joanna BERENS on 24 May 1742 in Schoenberg. She was the daughter of Mathias BERENS aka Mathias BERNARD and Marguerite BIREN. Her godparents were Joanna SCHOUMERS and Theodorus WEBERS, both of Nospelt.5

1742 Baptismal Record of Joanna Berens, daughter of Mathias and Margarita Berens.

Anna had five documented siblings. From 1728 to 1745 five children were born to Mathias BERENS and his wife Marguerite in Nospelt and baptized in Schoenberg.

Maria on 24 March 1728[^6]
Barbara on 31 March 1737[^7]
Nicolas on 21 November 1739[^8]
Joanna (Anna) on 24 May 1742
Margaretha on 11 March 1745[^9]

Large gaps between the births suggest that there may have been several miscarriages, baptisms that were not recorded, or the couple could have lived in a different place during the early years of their marriage. They are assumed to have married about the time their first child was born.

No baptismal record was found for their oldest known daughter Elisabeth who was born about 1720. When she married Jean BETTENDORFF on 18 December 1841 her parents’ names were recorded as Mathias BERNARD and Marguerite BIREN.6

Of the BERENS children, only Elisabeth and Anna were found to have married and had children. Elisabeth’s children were born between 1743 and 1769 The records are a timeline of the surname changes. As with Mathias and Marguerite’s children from 1728 to 1745, Elisabeth’s children baptized between 1743 and 1749 all had their mother’s maiden name recorded as BERENS.7, 8, 9 From 1759 to 1769 the name was spelled BERNARD.10, 11, 12, 13 In 1766 a set of twins was born and survived only five days.14 On both of their baptismal records, the mother’s maiden name was spelled BERNARDI. When Elisabeth died in 1797 her maiden name was still spelled BERNARD.15

Catherine and Anna’s father Mathias was born 10 October 1700 in Nospelt to Leonard BERENTZ and his wife Catharina.16 He had one known sibling, a brother Theodor born in 1697.17 No marriage or death records were found for Leonard and Catharina. Mathias’ surname evolved from BERENTZ to BERENS to BERNARD from 1700 to 1759.

1741 Bettendorff-Bernard Marriage Record with the bride’s mother’s maiden name BIREN

Mathias’ wife Margaretha BIREN’s parentage is unknown. Her maiden name was discovered in her daughter Elisabeth’s 1741 marriage record. A death record for Margaretha has not been found. She died between 1745 and 1759. Her husband Mathias died on 25 May 1759. His death/burial record confirms he was the widower of Margaretha BIREN.18

When Anna BERNARD and Peter HUBERTY’s daughter Regina was baptized in 1761, they chose Anna’s brother-in-law Jean BETTENDORFF to be her godfather. This close family connection further proves that Elisabeth and Anna were sisters.

Anna gave birth to another daughter who was baptized on 20 May 1762. Anna and Peter chose Joannes HUBERTY of Mamer to be the godfather and Catharina DECKER, also of Mamer, to be the godmother of their daughter Catherine.19

Anna likely died between 1762 and 1765 as her husband Peter HUBERTY was having children with a new wife as early as February 1766.

Péckvillercher, a tree representing a family, and a quilted square of a home.

Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794)

The lack of church records for Mamer before 1779 makes it hard to take the paternal line of my fourth great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY further back. Last week’s research helped to discover her maternal line as well as find the HUBERTY family group that Peter HUBERTY likely descends from.

Following Anna’s death, Peter returned to the parish of Mamer to live in Capellen with his daughters Regina and Catherine. Peter married Johanna MALESS after Anna’s death and before 1766. The place and time of marriage are unknown. There is no record of a marriage in Luxembourg per the index for marriages before 1797.

Around April 1766, a general census of the entire country of Luxembourg was made. The census is very detailed, giving: the number of houses in each locality; the number of inhabitants, divided into four categories by sex and age (men over and under 16, women over and under 14); the number of households, the classification of inhabitants according to their marital state and profession. The census was carried out by deanships and parishes. Some of it is, unfortunately, missing, including the deanship of Luxembourg (city area).20

The parish of Mamer is one of the missing parishes. Peter and Johanna would have been listed with Peter’s two daughters, Regina and Catherine, from his first marriage, as well as Catherine, the first daughter born to his second marriage if she survived.

Peter’s sister-in-law Elisabeth BERNARD and her husband Jean BETTENDORFF were living in Nospelt and enumerated on the 1766 census with two sons.21 Their three oldest sons, all over 16 years old, were missing in their father’s household and likely working and living outside of the family home. One of the sons, Jean born in 1746 has not been traced after his baptism and may not have survived. The other two sons married several years after the 1766 census.

1766 Census, Village of Nospelt in the parish of Kehlen, Jean Bettendorff family #10

Per the family register of Mamer, Peter and his second wife had three children whose baptisms were recorded in the (missing) parish records.  Catherine was baptized on 22 February 1766, Susanne on 12 June 1767, and Pierre on 12 June 1771.22 Catherine and Pierre may not have survived infancy. [Research to-do: search the parish death/burial records of Mamer when available.]

From the Mamer family register book, the family group of Petrus Huberty and Johann Maless with three children and their godparents

Following the births of these three children, things were quiet on the document front until 1789 when my 4th great-grandparents married. Peter and Anna’s oldest daughter, Regina HUBERTY married Jacob FRISCH (1755-1800) on 3 March 1789 in Mamer.23

Less than a year later Peter’s second daughter Catherine married Nicolas OLINGER (1755-1809) in Schoenberg on 7 January 1790. 24

In 1791 and 1792 the first two granddaughters of Peter HUBERTY and his deceased wife Anna BERNARD were born. Regina OLINGER born in 1791 to Catherine and Jean BETTENDORFF was named after her aunt Regina HUBERTY.25 Susanna FRISCH born in 1792 to Regina and Jacob FRISCH was named after her aunt Susanna HUBERTY.26

Peter’s second wife Johanna MALESS died on 23 May 1793 in Capellen at the age of about 66 years. Her husband was listed as a day laborer. She was buried the next day.27

Peter died a little over a year later on 4 June 1794 in Capellen at the age of about 75 years and was buried the following day.28

Peter and Johanna’s daughter Susanne married Henri BREISTROFF (1767-1844) in Luxembourg-St Jean on 16 November 1795.29 They made their home in Stadtgrund.

Faubourg de Grund, Luxembourg City

On 31 August 1796, Catherine HUBERTY served as the godmother of Franciscus FRISCH, son of her sister Regina.30 Regina had asked both her full sister Catherine and her half-sister Susanne to be godmothers of two of her children.

Regina was widowed in 180031 and remarried on 21 December 1801 in Mamer to Peter KALMES (1760-1833).32

Susanne died in 1829, her husband would outlive her by 14 years.33,34 Catherine who had been widowed in 180935 died a week after Susanne.36 Regina, the oldest child of Peter, outlived her second husband who died in 1833.37 She died in 1840 in Capellen.38

Speculation on the parentage of Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794)

No records are available at this time to prove the parentage of Peter HUBERTY, husband of Anna BERNARD and Johanna MALESS. Peter was born. Peter died at the age of about 75 in 1794, therefore was born about 1718-1719. In the family register of Mamer, there are two couples named HUBERTY who were having children in Mamer when Peter was born.

The family register of Mamer with two HUBERTY families with sons named Peter.

The first family was that of Adamus HUBERTY and his wife Magdalena ex LOENERTZ (in domo LOENERTZ). They had a son named Peter who married Anna HANNEN in 1744. This lady died on 17 January 1793 in Holzem and was described as the widow of Petrus HUBERTY of Holzem. My Peter was still living, resided in Capellen, was not the husband of Anna HANNEN, and consequently cannot have been the son of Adamus HUBERTY and his wife Magdalena.

This leaves the family of Peter HUBERTY and Johanna ex MELLERJANS. They had a son named Peter baptized on 14 March 1718, a son named Joannes baptized on 22 September 1720, and a daughter Catherine baptized on 13 June 1726. When Peter’s second daughter Catherine was baptized on 20 May 1762, he chose a man named Joannes HUBERTY of Mamer. The godfather was likely an uncle, brother of Peter. Hence it is possible that Peter HUBERTY (1718-1794) was the son of Peter HUBERTY and Johanna ex MELLERJANS and the brother of Joannes HUBERTY born in 1720.

When I began the research for this family less than two weeks ago, I had only their names. Having worked through and analyzed the records as discussed in Reviewing Research and Records Opens the Door in Regina Huberty’s Brick Wall, I feel so much satisfaction. It has renewed my interest in continuing my research and writing about the 5th great-grandparents in my family tree.

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


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  2. Ibid., Schoenberg > Tables des mariages, mariages 1756-1793 > image 8 of 88 > page 9, entry 1761 No. 2. 1761 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-SVNL?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZD%3A1501137301%2C1501274886 : accessed 4 April 2021),. 
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  6. Ibid., Schoenberg > Mariages 1724-1755, fondations et anniversaries 1723-1794, registre aux dîmes 1770-1794 > image 40 of 261. 1741 Marriage Record (left page, last entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-3FC?cc=2037955&wc=STHD-HZH%3A1501137301%2C1501398002 : accessed 7 April 2021). 
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  8. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1708-1760 > image 111 of 1544. 1746 Baptismal Record (right page, 6th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9KJJ?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-J4W%3A1501137301%2C1501361258 : accessed 5 April 2021). 
  9. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1708-1760 > image 118 of 154. 1749 Baptismal Record (left page 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9K3M?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-J4W%3A1501137301%2C1501361258 : accessed 5 APril 2021). 
  10. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1708-1760 > image 150 of 154. 1759 Baptismal Record (right page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9KFR?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-J4W%3A1501137301%2C1501361258 : accessed 5 APril 2021). 
  11. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1760-1797 > image 10 of 169. 1764 Baptismal Record (left page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-SVF9?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZ7%3A1501137301%2C1501298738 : accessed 5 April 2021). 
  12. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1760-1797 > image 15 of 169. 1766 Baptismal Records No. 34 and No. 35 for the twins. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-SJ3T?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZ7%3A1501137301%2C1501298738 : accessed 5 April 2021). 
  13. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1760-1797 > image 20 of 169. 1769 Baptismal Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-SV8J?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZ7%3A1501137301%2C1501298738 : accessed 5 April 2021). 
  14. Ibid., Schoenberg > Sépultures 1760-1797 > image 14 of 129. 1766 Death Records of the twins, Martin and Anne Marie Bettendorff (left page, 6th and 7th entries). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-SV91?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZK%3A1501137301%2C1501328014 : accessed 11 April 2021). 
  15. Ibid., Schoenberg > Sépultures 1760-1797 > image 129 of 129. 1797 Death Record (left page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-SV3W?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZK%3A1501137301%2C1501328014 : accessed 9 April 2021). 
  16. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1639-1708 > image 78 of 95. 1700 Baptismal Record (right page, 3rd entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9NQ7?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-J4T%3A1501137301%2C1501353068 : accessed 7 April 2021). 
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  18. Ibid., Schoenberg > Sépultures 1721-1760 > image 22 of 27. 1759 Death Record (right page, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-7D2Y?cc=2037955&wc=STHD-N3L%3A1501137301%2C1501398766 : accessed 5 April 2021). 
  19. Ibid., Kehlen > Baptêmes 1760-1797 > image 7 of 169, page 8. 1762 Baptismal Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-SVN2?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZW%3A1501111291%2C1501298738 : accessed 8 April 2021). 
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  32. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mamer > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1796-1837 > image 1176 of 1504. 1801 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12585-47668-87?cc=1709358 : accessed 26 March 2010). 
  33. Ibid., Luxembourg > Décès 1829-1841 > image 98 of 1505. 1829 Death Record 370. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT4S-661?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-FM9%3A130045801%2C130387101 : accessed 2 April 2021). 
  34. Ibid., Luxembourg > Décès 1842-1856 > image 253 of 1504. 1844 Death Record No. 47. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6MCG-YP?cc=1709358&wc=9RYH-C68%3A130045801%2C130546102 : accessed 13 APril 2021). 
  35. Ibid., Kehlen > Naissances 1887-1890 Mariages 1796-1890 Décès 1796-1828 > image 1262 of 1490. 1809 Death Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRYS-YZK?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-K68%3A129987101%2C130453502 : accessed 8 April 2021). 
  36. Ibid., Kehlen > Décès 1829-1890 > image 17 of 1089. 1829 Death Record No. 39. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DYD3-T12?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-HZ9%3A129987101%2C129987102 : accessed 8 April 2021). 
  37. Ibid., Mamer > Mariages 1838-1890 Décès 1796-1880 > image 848 of 1497. 1833 Death Record No. 23. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12143-121293-57?cc=1709358 : accessed 30 November 2015). 
  38. Ibid., Mamer > Mariages 1838-1890 Décès 1796-1880 > image 920 of 1497. 1840 Death Record No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12143-119662-3?cc=1709358 : accessed 27 March 2010). 

Reviewing Research and Records Opens the Door in Regina Huberty’s Brick Wall

When I wrote about my 4th great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY (1761-1840) in my January 2018 post 52 Ancestors: #45 Missing Parish Records in Mamer Leave Unanswered Questions, I was skating on very thin ice.

I’d found a family register for the parish of Mamer in Luxembourg on FamilySearch in 2016 when I worked on Regina’s daughter Elisabeta FRISCH’s family. A handwritten compilation of information from church records, it includes all Mamer family groups and links parents and children through several generations.

The following are examples of Regina’s family groups:1, 2

Family Register of Mamer with the entry for the Frisch-Huberty family group.
Family Register of Mamer with the entry for the Kalmes-Huberty family group.

The church records for the years 1790-1804 are missing at FamilySearch for the parish of Mamer and affiliated villages. The collection Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1790-1804 is only a handwritten index to church records for the given years. The Luxembourg diocese has since added church records to Matricula Online including this missing register for Mamer. With the records available for the time Regina lived, I set out to open the door in her brick wall.

Reviewing Records and Research

I still have many 5th great-grandparents who have not been written about on my blog. The parents of my 4th great-grandmother Regina HUBERTY are one of these couples. Only their names were known. In the case of her mother, there were conflicting names.

Regina was married twice. Both marriages and all of her children are noted in the Mamer register entries above. Few records were found in 2018 to confirm the information and I could only reference the register for the children. Regina’s children from both of her marriages were born between 1792 and 1808. Church records are available for 1779 to 1793 and civil records from 1796 to 1923 on FamilySearch. Therefore, baptismal records were not available for seven of her eight children.

Regina’s marriage records had been found and as much information as possible was gleaned from them.

On 3 March 1789, there being no impediment to the marriage, the priest of Mamer and two witnesses were present when Jacob FRISCH, son of the deceased Joannis FRISCH and Margaretha ZEIMET of Huncherange, was united with Regina HUBERTY, daughter of Petri HUBERTY and the deceased Anna BENNERT.3

1789 Marriage Record for Jacobus FRISCH and Regina HUBERTY

The names of the parents matched those in the family register except for Regina’s mother’s name. Her maiden name was recorded as LENNERT in the family register but after a closer perusal of the marriage record, I found the name was written BENNERT. The capital L and B are often confused in the old script as they are similar to the lower case l and b when written in cursive.

Regina HUBERTY married Peter KALMES on 21 December 1801 in Mamer.4

1801 Marriage Record of Peter KALMES and Regina HUBERTY.

Her parents were listed as Peter HUBERTY and Johannata BEREND. Which of the two marriage records for Regina give the correct name for her mother? Were Anna BENNERT and Johannata BEREND the same person? What other sources could I check to solve this question?

Family Relationships and Godparents

As I reviewed the information I had for Regina’s parents, husbands, and children, I made a list of the records to check on Matricula that might help to answer the question of her parentage. I began with the names Peter HUBERTY and Johannata BEREND aka Anna BENNERT. I had no information on them. No known siblings for Regina who might lead to the shared parents.

Normally when children are baptized the godparents are chosen from both sides of the family. Regina’s children’s godparents could lead to siblings of both parents. Although I knew the names of the godparents from the family register, there was no information on where they were from or if they were married. Both of these could be indicators of the relationship between the godparent and the child and his/her parents.

For Regina’s children, in the family register, it was noted that her daughter Susanna FRISCH’s godmother was Susanna HUBERTY and her son Franciscus FRISCH’s godmother was Catharina HUBERTY.

I hadn’t seen Franciscus’ baptismal record until I searched for it last week on Matricula. His godmother was listed as Catharina HUBERTY uxor Nicolai OLINGER figols Nospelt = Catharina wife of Nicolas, a potter from Nospelt.

A search for Catherine’s marriage in an index of the Luxembourg marriages before 1797 turned up this information:5

Nicolas OLINGER and Catherine HUBERTI
Married: 07 Jan 1790 in Schoenberg
Parents: Jean OLINGER (+) – Anne KREMER (+)
Parents: Pierre HUBERTI – Anne BERNARD (+)

Susanna’s baptismal record from 1792 had originally been found on FamilySearch as the years 1779-1793 are available. However, I had missed an important detail in the record. The godmother was listed as Susanna HUBERTI amita. She was an aunt (Latin: amita) of the child and therefore Regina’s sister. No husband is mentioned suggesting she may not have been married at the time. A search for a possible marriage for Susanna turned up this information:6

Nicolas  BREISDORF and Susanne HUBERTI
Married: 16 Nov 1795 in Luxembourg-St Jean
Parents: Nicolas BREISDORF (+) – Susanne VELTER (+)
Parents: Pierre HUBERTI (+) – Jeannette MALLES (+)

The (+) indicates the person was deceased at the time of the noted marriage. Regina’s father was living in 1789 when she married and her mother was deceased. This matches up with Pierre HUBERTI living in 1790 when Catherine married. Regina’s father died on 4 June 17947 and therefore deceased by 1795 when Susanna married. The date of death for Pierre HUBERTI was proven by elimination and will be discussed in another post.

It is possible that Regina, Catherine, and Susanna had the same father. The mother of Regina and Catherine appear to be the same person.

In the family register of Mamer, there are 10 pages of information on HUBERTY families beginning with the earliest two families recorded in the missing church records. In the second generation, there is a Peter (Joannes) HUBERTY and Johanna MALESS who had three children: Catharina in 1766, Susanna in 1767, and Petrus in 1771.8 Church records for these births/baptisms are not available on Matricula or FamilySearch.

A marriage record for the HUBERTY-MALESS couple was not found. MALESS and MALLES could be different spellings for the same name. As the baptismal records for the children are not available, I put this aside for later reference, keeping in mind that the daughters Catharina and Susanna might be the godmothers of Regina’s children.

More pieces to the puzzle

If Catherine HUBERTY, wife of Nicolas OLINGER, and Regina were sisters then the baptismal records of the children of the OLINGER-HUBERTY couple might include godparents proving the siblingship.

Records for the first two children of the couple were quickly accessed as an index was found for baptisms in Schoenberg up to 1797 that included the year, entry number, and page number of the register. Their first child was a daughter named Regina and her godmother was Regina HUBERTY of Capellen.9

As Regina was the godmother of Catherine’s first child, can it be assumed that Pierre HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD listed Catherine’s parents on her marriage record are the parents of both Catharine and Regina?

I search for and located a marriage for Pierre HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD in the Luxembourg marriage index:10

Pierre HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD
Married: 16 Jun 1761 in Schoenberg
Parents: N. HUBERTI – N. N.
Parents: N. BERNARD – N. N.
Note: N. indicates unknown

The marriage record is a short two lines without information on the parents of either the bride or groom. Petrus HUBERTI was from Mamer and Anne BERNARD was from Nospelt.11

1761 Marriage Record for Petrus HUBERTI and Anna BERNARD

As the marriage took place in 1761, I searched the Schoenberg register for children of this marriage baptized between 1760 and 1770.

To my surprise, the first record I found confirmed my theory that Peter HUBERTI and Anne BERNARD were Regina’s parents and my 5th great-grandparents.

1761 Baptismal Record No. 10 for Regina HUBERTI

Regina was baptized on 3 March 1761, the daughter of Joanna BERENT of Nospelt and Petri HUBERTI of Mamer. The word illegitimate is crossed out. She was legitimized with the subsequent marriage of her parents three months later. Her godparents were Joannes BETTENDORFF and Regina KRANTZ both of Nospelt.12 At least one of these godparents would lead to the grandparents.

A sister Catherine was born/baptized on 20 May 1762 in Nospelt. Her parents’ names on the record were Petri HUBERTI and Anna BERNARD, the names seen on the marriage record.13 Born a year after Regina, she might be the same Catherine who married Nicolas OLINGER a year after Regina married.

No further baptisms were found in Nospelt suggesting the family moved to Mamer after May of 1762.

In the Family Register of Mamer, Regina is listed as the wife of Jacob FRISCH and of Peter KALMES in the respectively family group listings as they were married in Mamer and children were born in Capellen, a part of Mamer. Regina’s parents were from Capellen per both of her marriage records but Regina isn’t listed in any of the HUBERTY family groups. This is an indication that her parents did not marry in the Mamer parish and Regina was not born in Capellen or Mamer as was confirmed by the records found in Nospelt. Regina was not born in Capellen as indicated in her 1801 marriage record.

Admitting to a mistake

While reviewing and doing new research, I failed to read over Regina’s marriage records until I began to write this post. I found I’d misread Regina’s year of birth given on her second marriage record. This was my only source for her birth/baptism in 2018. I’d transcribed tausend sieben hundert sechzig vier (1764) instead of tausend sieben hundert sechzig eins (1761).

I should have realized the error as the marriage took place in 1801 and Regina was forty years old, i.e. born in 1761. However, I had allowed myself to be influenced by a date (13 March 1764) seen in a family tree. I’d noticed the date was the 3rd and not the 13th but I failed to see the word for the last digit in the year of birth was eins and not vier. Corrections have been made to the FamilySearch Family Tree and my online GEDCOM files on Luxracines, Ancestry (private/searchable), and Geneanet (ancestors-only for DNA).

Connecting the loose ends

While browsing the death records in the parish register of Mamer on Matricula, I found Joannetha MALES, wife of Peter HUBERTY, who died on 23 May 1793 in Capellen.14 Peter died the following year on 4 June 1794. Both were deceased in 1795 and the names match the names of the parents found on Susanna HUBERTY’s marriage record. Susanna was listed as the aunt of Susanna FRISCH, the oldest daughter of Regina HUBERTY, indicating Susanna and Regina were siblings. Regina’s mother was deceased in 1789 therefore they shared only a father, Peter HUBERTY, and were half-sisters.

The names found for Regina’s mother were: Joanna BERENT on the 1761 baptismal record, Anna BENNERT on the 1789 marriage record, and Johannata BEREND on the 1801 marriage records. In records for Regina’s sister Catherine, her mother was Anna BERNARD. Regina and Catherine were full sisters.

Regina’s godfather Joannes BETTENDORFF was the husband of Elisabeth BERNARD, daughter of Mathias BERNARD and Margaretha BIREN of Nospelt. It is my belief that Regina’s mother Anna/Joanna was a younger sister of Elisabeth.

Going through all baptismal records of the Kehlen parish to which Nospelt belonged, I found only one couple named BERENS with the first names Mathias and Margaretha. They had children from 1728 to 1745 including a daughter baptized on 24 May 1742 named Joanna BERENS.15 A baptismal record for Elisabeth who was born about 1720-1723 (married in December 1741) has not been found. The family name evolved from BERENS to BERENT to BERNARD.

It’s often hard to see the big picture. Hopefully, I have not confused my readers and you will agree with me that Regina HUBERTY’s mother was a lady named Anna (Joanna) BERNARD of Nospelt. Regina’s mother is no longer just a name but a person who has records that lead to her parents, siblings, and perhaps even grandparents.

© 2021, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


  1. “Luxembourg registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948,” images, FamilySearch, Mamer > Baptêmes 1718-1940, familles alphabétique > image 59 of 375. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32402-261-80?cc=2037955 : accessed 25 November 2015) 
  2. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes 1718-1940, familles alphabétique > image 155 of 375. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32401-19114-34?cc=2037955 : accessed 28 November 2015) 
  3. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 106 of 168. 1789 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32402-680-82?cc=2037955 : accessed 29 November 2015). 
  4. Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mamer > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1796-1837 > image 1176 of 1504. 1801 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12585-47668-87?cc=1709358 : accessed 26 March 2010). 
  5.   “Marriages before 1797”, searchable database, Luxracines (https://www.luxracines.lu/gen/famsearchform.php?tree=m1610-1797). 
  6. Ibid. 
  7. Luxembourg Church Records, Mamer > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1790-1804 > image 27 of 30. 1794 Death Entry (75 years old). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-S63?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-C6V%3A1500941501%2C1501074474 : accessed 5 January 2018). 
  8. Ibid., Mamer > Baptêmes 1718-1940, familles alphabétique > images 89-93 of 375. Entries for Huberty families. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-SS2?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-3TY%3A1500941501%2C1500941502 : 9 January 2015). 
  9. Ibid., Schoenberg > Baptêmes 1760-1797 > image 120 of 169 > page 232. 1791 Baptismal Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-SN13?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZ7%3A1501137301%2C1501298738 : 9 January 2015). 
  10. “Marriages before 1797.” 
  11. Luxembourg Church Records, Schoenberg > Tables des mariages, mariages 1756-1793 > image 8 of 88 > page 9, entry 1761 No. 2. 1761 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-SVNL?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-VZD%3A1501137301%2C1501274886 : accessed 4 April 2021),. 
  12. Matricula Online, Luxembourg, Microfilm GV.MF 172-285, Kehlen, KB-06, Taufen – 1760 – 1796, image 3 of 167, page 3, baptismal record 10. 1761 Baptismal Record No. 10. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/kehlen/KB-06/?pg=3 : accessed 3 April 2021). 
  13. Ibid., image 6 of 167, page 8, entry number 16. 1762 Baptismal Record No. 16. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/kehlen/KB-06/?pg=6 : accessed 3 April 2021). 
  14. Ibid., Mamer, KB-18, Taufen – Heiraten – Sterbefälle – 1779 – 1793, image 170 of 172, page 347, 4th entry. “.” 1793 Death/Burial Record. (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/mamer/KB-18/?pg=170 : accessed 6 April 2021). 
  15. Ibid., Microfilm GV.MF 172-285, Kehlen, KB-02, TTaufen – 1708 – 1760, image 98 of 158, page 193. 1742 Baptismal Record (right page, 3rd entry). (https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/LU/luxemburg/kehlen/KB-02/?pg=98 : accessed 6 April 2021). 

Jacques Fournelle (~1699-1774) and Marie Jacob (1695-1758)

This is the 10th in a series of posts on my earliest FOURNELLE ancestors. After setting up the stageintroducing the main characters and supporting cast, I am now discussing each of the children of my 7th great-grandparents Jean FOURNEL (1655-1721) and Catherine SETON (1657-1702). All posts written to date are listed at the end of this post.

Jacques FOURNELLE was the youngest son of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON. He was born about 1699 in Saulnes (Meurthe-et-Moselle, France). At the time of his birth, there were seven siblings living at home: Françoise b. 1678, Nicolas b. 1683, Jean b. 1686, Henri b. 1688, Jeanne b. bet. 1689-1693, Sébastienne b. abt. 1692, and Marie b. 1696.

Jacques may have had a younger sister, Marie Catherine, born after 1699 and before the death of their mother Catherine SETON on 21 September 1702.1

Following the death of their mother, the youngest children were likely cared for by their oldest sister Françoise who was 24 years old. She did not marry until 1708 when Jacques was about 9 years old.2

Over the years, Jacques’ older siblings married and started their own families. On 4 Feb 1717, Jacques and his sister Jeanne were chosen to be the godparents of their nephew Jacques COURTOIS, the 5th and youngest child of their oldest sister Françoise. They were both unmarried. The baptismal record of this child is the first record to mention Jacques FOURNELLE in relation to his siblings.3

On 24 November 1720 Jacques and his brother Jean witnessed the marriage of his sister Sébastienne to Jean FRANÇOIS (1681-1741) in Saulnes. She was to be the last of his siblings to marry.4 The residences of her brothers are not mentioned in the record. Jean was married and known to be living in Rodange.

Jacques was probably living at home with his father Jean FOURNEL and his sister Marie Catherine. She would serve as the godmother of Jeanne’s and of Sébastienne’s children in 1721. The two baptismal records would be the first and last records to document this sister if she was not Marie.5,6

Jacques’ father Jean FOURNEL died on 3 September 1721 in Saulnes and was buried in the church cemetery the same day. Jacques’ brothers Jean and Nicolas witnessed the death record.7

Jacques Fournelle and Marie Jacob marry

Jacques married Marie JACOB, daughter of François JACOB and Madeleine CLESSE of Hussigny, following the death of his father in 1721 and probably before 1724. Although no marriage record is available, abstracts of judicial and notary records show Jacques FOURNELLE and Marie JACOB were married.

Jacques and his wife Marie were a married couple living in Hussigny when they sold part of a meadow to Simon JACOB and his wife Marguerite NOEL on 30 June 1725. They were therefore married before this date.8

The fact that Jacques and his family lived in Hussigny from about 1724 until their deaths made researching this family a challenge. There are no birth or baptismal records for the years that Marie was of the childbearing age.

Jacques and Marie had two daughters: Marguerite, born about 1724, and Elisabeth, born about 1726. No baptismal records are available, and, although both married and had children, marriage records were not found for them.

Judicial and notary records

To work around the paucity of vital records for Hussigny-Godbrange, the compiler of the family book for the town recorded abstracts of judicial records found for family groups during the period.

Aimé Tarnus, compiled Histoires des Familles, Hussigny-Godbrange de 1550 à 1900, a family book for the town of Hussigny that is lacking church records for the years between 1716-1765 with only 1753-1756 and 1758 being available. To get around the lack of records for the town, Mr. Tarnus consulted records of the Archives Départementales de Moselle, the Archives Départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle, the National Library in Paris, and the Luxembourg National Archives. A good part of the work in the departmental archives, other than the church and civil records, was done using the judicial archives and the notary deeds.

Over the years, Jacques FOURNELLE, and his wife Marie JACOB disposed of a variety of assets including meadows, fields of hemp, fruit orchards, and a house. The abstracts of the notarial records give little information on the property and only the names of the parties. It isn’t known if they were selling property that once belonged to Jacques’ family or to Marie’s. [The Series E records are not available online.] 

In 1734 the FOURNEL siblings sold land they likely inherited from their parents Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON.

M. et M. 23 E 147 : le 06/09/1734, Jean FOURNIER, lab. à G. et Nicolas FOURNIER, lab. à H., Jean COURTOIS, marchand à Sosnes, en qualité de père et tuteur des enfants de lui et de + Françoise FOURNEL, sa fe. en 1ères noces, Jacques FOURNIER; curateur, vendent à Gérosme PERTRISOT, man. à La Sauvage et Jeanne FOURNIER, sa fe., une masure et un jardin etc…

Le 06/09/1734, Jacques FOURNEL, man. à H., vend à Jean FRANÇOIS, man. à Sosnes la Basse, et Sébastienne FOURNEL, sa fe., une masure à Sosne etc…

Jean, Nicolas, Françoise’s widower, and Jacques sold a dwelling and a garden to their sister Jeanne and her husband. Jacques sold a dwelling to his sister Sébastienne and her husband.9

On 18 January 1743, Jacques FOURNELLE of Hussigny, uncle of the bride, was present at the marriage of his niece Jeanne FOURNELLE, daughter of Jean FOURNEL and Jeanne BERKIN, and Henri DE CHAIVE.10 Jacques’ presence at the marriage of his brother Jean’s daughter confirms Jacques FOURNELLE, a laborer of Hussigny, is the son of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON.

A new recordset: inventaires après décès

On 8 April 1748, an inventory after death (inventaire après décès) for Julien FOURNELLE was witnessed by his uncle Jacques.11 This was the first of several inventaires après décès that Jacques witnessed over the years.

I only recently learned about this set of records when I followed-up on a link Elise Lenoble mentioned in a recent post on her blog Auprès de nos Racines. Her post Inventories after death or How to enter an ancestor’s house, with the French title
Les inventaires après décès ou Comment entrer dans la maison d’un ancêtre, gives an amazing insight into the lives of French ancestors using these inventories.

Drawn up shortly after a person’s death, the inventory after death contained a list of goods owned by the family and an appraisal. The furniture, clothing, kitchen utensils, tapestries, etc., a description of the dwelling, land owned, and contracts or debts of the deceased were included. The inventaires après décès are not only helpful in learning more about how an ancestor lived but also determining when they died. Jacques’ nephew Julien died during the years when death records are missing and his inventory after death, drawn up shortly after his death, gives us a more precise window for his date of death.

Jacques and Marie’s daughters marry

About 1749 or earlier, Jacques and Marie’s daughter Marguerite married Mathias LIBERT (1727-1760) of Audun-le-Tiche (Moselle, France). They were the parents of four known children. The oldest, a son Charles, was born about 1749. His year of birth has been estimated from the age given at the time of his second marriage in 1810. The three other children left records with precise dates of birth in 1753, 1754, and 1757.

Jacques and Marie’s daughter Elisabeth married Charles WACHONRUE (1725-1793) before 18 January 1751 when they were cited in a land deed as husband and wife.12 The land they purchased in 1751 was sold on 28 May 1753 to Jean François Henry Gérard Baron d’HUART.13

Elisabeth and Charles were the parents of four known children. The date of birth of their first child Marie Barbe is not known and has been estimated at about 1751. A marriage record for their second child gives a date of birth in 1753 and baptismal records were found in 1755 and 1758 for the third and the fourth child.

On 6 August 1753 Jacques FOURNELLE witnessed the death record of his brother Henri.14 The brothers lived in the same town and Jacques appears to have been close to his brother’s family. Two and a half years later, he was a witness at the marriage of his nephew Henri, son of Henri FOURNEL and Anne LAUNOIS.15

Jacques and Marie sell their house

On 5 April 1756 Jacques and his wife Marie sold their house to their son-in-law Charles WACHONRUE.16 His wife Elisabeth was not mentioned in the abstract. On the same day, Jacques and Marie also sold a field of hemp to Jean WILLOTTE. This was the last mention of Jacques selling property.

The last of Jacques and Marie’s eight grandchildren, Marguerite WACHONRUE was born on 10 September 1758 and baptized the following day.17 Her godfather was Mathias LIBERT, husband of her maternal aunt, Marguerite FOURNELLE. The godfather is not explicitly noted as the child’s uncle but this record gives some support to Marguerite and Elisabeth being sisters.

Jacques is widowed

1758 Death Record. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 268/R 1 vue 38 de 677.

Marie JACOB, wife of the surviving “Jacques Fournier” died three months later on 7 December 1758 in Hussigny at the age of 63 years.18 In the presence of her family and neighbors, she was buried in the parish cemetery.

Jacques’ son-in-law Mathias LIBERT died in January 1760 at the age of 33. This is known as his inventory after death was filed on 30 January 1760 and was witnesses by Jacques FOURNELLE, Henri FOURNEL (Jacques’ nephew), Jean JACOB, and Antoine LAINE (husband of Marie LIBERT, Mathias’s brother).19 The fact that Jacques was a witness lends support to the assumption that Mathias was Jacques’ son-in-law.

Jacques, age 60, was mentioned in a judicial record on 23 February 1760.20 His occupation was charbonnier, a person who makes, sells, or delivers charcoal. In the years since his marriage, he had disposed of all of his property and still had to make a living. He was a widower with two daughters, one widowed and one married, and eight grandchildren. And he was still giving moral support to his brother Henri’s sons.

Jacques, the caretaker of his sibling’s family

On 8 February 1763, Jacques once again was a witness to the marriage of one of his nephews, Dominique, son of Henri FOURNEL and Anne LAUNOIS.21 Dominique was widowed less than a year later when his wife died giving birth to their son Mathias. By the end of the following year, Dominique was at the notary and, with the assistance of his brother Henri and Pierre and their uncle Jacques, was having a marriage contract drawn up for his second marriage.22 On 28 December 1765, Jacques was one of the witnesses to the marriage of Dominique FOURNEL and Barbe SCHMIT.23

More inventories after death

1766 Death Record. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 268/R 1 vue 48 de 677.

On 9 May 1766, Jacques and Marie’s daughter Elisabeth died in Hussigny at the age of about 40. She was buried the following day.24 A little over two weeks later, on 27 May 1766 her inventory after death was filed and Jacques FOURNELLE was one of the four witnesses.25 Ten months later, Elisabeth’s widower, Charles WACHONRUE married again. He would have another son with his second wife.

1774 Death Record. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 268/R 1 vue 83 de 677.

Eight years after Elisabeth’s death her father Jacques died. Marguerite’s oldest son Charles LIBERT and her cousin Henri FOURNEL (son of Henri) were the witnesses on the death record of her Jacques FOURNELLE. He died on 9 December 1774 and was buried the following day.26 On the day Jacques FOURNELLE’s was buried his inventory after death was filed. He was described as a poor beggar for the last 10 years.27

1788 Death Record. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 268/R 1 vue 237 de 677.

Fourteen years later Marguerite FOURNELLE died on 12 November 1788 in Hussigny and was buried the following day. Her sons, Charles and Antoine, both married and living in Villers-la-Montagne were the witnesses on her death record.28

Jacques’ son-in-law Charles WACHONRUE was still living. He died five years later on 30 January 1793 in Hussigny.29 All of the parents of the grandchildren of Jacques and Marie were now deceased.

Jacques and Marie’s grandchildren

Five of the eight grandchildren of Jacques and Marie are known to have survived their grandfather Jacques FOURNELLE. They lived to see the turn of the century and three more marriages in 1800, 1801, and 1810.

Jean WACHONRUE (1755-1805) married Jeanne Hélène VRILLARD before 1786, lived in Paris for a while, and then moved to Itteville, south of Paris in the department of Essonne, where he died in 1805. His wife predeceased him. They had at least three children.

Marie Barbe WACHONRUE (1751-1818) married Joseph PHOND (1751-1833) before 1782. They were the parents of two known children. She died 2 February 1818 in Hussigny. Her widower married again four months later to Marie Barbe’s first cousin once removed, Anne Marie LIBERT (1782-1860), daughter of Antoine LIBERT.

Antoine LIBERT (1753-1833) was widowed in 1799. He’d married Elisabeth CLAUSSE (1750-1799) in 1775 and they had eleven children between 1775-1794. He married again a year later to Catherine MORANT (1757-?) on 17 December 1800. Antoine died 8 December 1833 in Haucourt-Moulaine.

Marie Catherine LIBERT (1757-1836) married Jean ANTOINE (1731-1820) on 20 Dec 1801 in Hussigny. She was 44 years old and this was her first marriage. Her brother Antoine and her cousin Marie Barbe WACHONRUE’s husband Joseph PHOND were two of the witnesses. Marie Catherine died on 13 February 1836 in Hussigny. She had no known children.

Charles LIBERT (1749-1812) was widowed in 1809 when his wife Barbe NICOLAS died. He’d married Barbe who was ten years older and a widow in 1772. They had 9 children between 1773-1782 including two sets of twins. He married again a year later to Madeleine SALIN (1765-1827) in Thil on 20 December 1810. Madeleine was the 2nd great-granddaughter of my 9th great-grandparents François SALIN and Catherine MASSON. Charles died in 1842 in Mercy-le-Bas at the age of about 93 years. His death record indicates he was 105 years old at the time of his death. This is an exaggeration as his mother would have been only 13 years old at the time of his birth. His 1810 marriage record gives a more accurate age of 60 years, i.e. born about 1749.

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 1)

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 2)

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 3)

Françoise FOURNEL (1678-1729) and Jean COURTOIS (1684-1745)

Nicolas FOURNEL (1683-abt.1748) and Barbe AGARANT (abt.1678-1758)

Jean FOURNEL (1686-1749) and Jeanne BERKIN (1683-1759)

Henri FOURNEL (1688-1753) and Anne LAUNOIS (1692-1758)

Jeanne FOURNEL (~1691-aft. 1756) and Jérôme PÉTRISOT (~1680-1761)

Sébastienne FOURNEL (~1692-1752) and Jean FRANÇOIS (~1681-1741)

Jacques FOURNELLE (~1699-1774) and Marie JACOB (1695-1758)

© 2020, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


  1. Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), browsable images of microfilm collection of parish and civil records (online http://www.archives.cg54.fr/), Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 333 of 529. New terms of use: En application du règlement sur la réutilisation des données publiques adopté par le conseil départemental de Meurthe-et-Moselle (délibération de sa commission permanente n°17, en date du 16 janvier 2017), je m’engage à mentionner la source du document téléchargé (Arch. dép. de Meurthe-et-Moselle, [suivi de la cote complète]), en cas de réutilisation. 1702 Death Record (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b538082e2f7 : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  2. Ibid., Herserange > 1668 1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 300 of 529.  1708 Marriage Record of Jean Courtois and Françoise Fournel (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380814b5d : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  3. Ibid., Herserange 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 234 of 529. 1717 Baptismal Record (left page, 1st entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807d29ad : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  4. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 178 of 529. 1720 Marriage Record (left page, 2nd entry).(http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b09bb : accessed 8 July 2020). 
  5. Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Obercorn > Baptêmes 1704-1727, 1746, 1794-1797, 1800-1805, mariages 1795-1797, 1800-1807, sépultures 1794-1797, 1802-1807 > image 78 of 296. 1721 Baptismal Record of Marie Catherine Pétrisot (right page, 2nd entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9SCK?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-N3T%3A1500974001%2C1500974302 : accessed 12 July 2020). 
  6. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 184 of 529. 1721 Baptismal Record of Marie Catherine François (left page, 2nd entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b4610 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  7. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 183 of 529. 1721 Death Record (left page, first entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b3cf3 : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  8. Aimé Tarnus, Histoires des Familles, Hussigny-Godbrange de 1550 à 1900, page 533, family 2028, abstract of a notary record. “Notaires de V.-la-M. : le 30/06/1725, Jacques FOURNIER, man. à H., et Marie JACOB, sa fe., vendent à Simon JACOB, lab. à H., et Marguerite NOEL, sa fe., une demi-fauchée de pré située sur le ban de Belvaux etc…” 
  9. Ibid., page 535, family 2029, abstract of a notary record for the sale of land. “M. et M. 23 E 147 : le 06/09/1734, Jean FOURNIER, lab. à G. et Nicolas FOURNIER, lab. à H., Jean COURTOIS, marchand à Sosnes, en qualité de père et tuteur des enfants de lui et de + Françoise FOURNEL, sa fe. en 1ères noces, Jacques FOURNIER; curateur, vendent à Gérosme PERTRISOT, man. à La Sauvage et Jeanne FOURNIER, sa fe., une masure et un jardin etc…
    Le 06/09/1734, Jacques FOURNEL, man. à H., vend à Jean FRANÇOIS, man. à Sosnes la Basse, et Sébastienne FOURNEL, sa fe., une masure à Sosne etc…” 
  10. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > images 197 and 198 of 328. 1743 Marriage Record, right page, last entry (part 1). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f06e6ad : accessed 9 July 2020). 1743 Marriage Record, right page, last entry (part 2). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f06f031 : accessed 9 July 2020). 
  11. Ibid., page 536, family 2031, abtract of an inventory after death. “Mos. B 8647 : le 8/4/1748, inv. ap. + Julien FOURNELLE ; Ts. Jacques FOURNELLE, Henry FOURNELLE, Nicolas PETIT et François BALTUS, tous de Hussigny.” 
  12. Ibid., page 1428, family 5741, abstract of a purchase. “M. et M. 23 E 102 : le 18/01/1751, Jean JACOB, lab. à H., au nom de Charles LOUIS, son beau-frère, vend a Charles WOICHONRUPT, cordonnier à H., et Elis. FOURNIER, sa fe., un jour 1/2 de terre à la pièce Grégoire pour 64 livres 10 sols etc…” 
  13. Ibid., page 1428, family 5741, abstract of a sale. “M. et M. 23 E 104 : le 28/05/1753, Charles WACHONRUE, cordonnier à H., et Elis FOURNIER, sa fe., vendent à Jean François Henry Gérard Baron d’HUART un jour 1/2 de terre sur le finage de H. à la pièce Grégoire pour 66 livres de France etc…” 
  14. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 455 of 529 . 1753 Death Record (right page, 1st entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53808948e4 : accessed 8 July 2020). 
  15. Ibid., Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3> image 123 of 328. 1756 Marriage Record (right page, top entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f040929 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  16. FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 1428, family 5741, abstract of a notary record of sale. “M. et M. 23 E 20 : le 05/04/1756, Jacques FOURNEL, man. à H., et Marie JACOB, sa fe., vendent à Charles WACHONRUE, man. à H., une maison à H. etc…” 
  17. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 37 of 677. 1758 Baptismal Record (left page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b010531a887 : accessed 6 October 2020). 
  18. Ibid., Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 38 of 677. 1758 Death Record (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b010531aec1 : accessed 2 August 2020). 
  19. FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 893, family 3439, abstract of the inventory after death. “Mos. B 8657 : le 30/01/1760, inv. ap. + de Mathias LIBERT. Ts. : Antoine LAINE, Jacques FOURNEL, Henry FOURNEL et Jean JACOB.” 
  20. Ibid., page 535, family 2028, abstract of a legal record. “Mos. B 8719 : le 23/02/1760, Jacques FOURNEL, charbonnier à H., a 60 ans.” 
  21. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > image 69 of 328. 1763 Marriage Record (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f0253fe : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  22. Ibid., Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > image 60 of 328. 1765 Marriage Record (left page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f021335 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  23. FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 529, family 2015, abstract of the marriage contract between Dominique Fournel and Barbe Schmit. “M. et M. 23 E 114 : le 18/12/1765, CM. entre Dominique FOURNEL, man. à Sosne la basse, assisté de Henry et Pierre FOURNEL ses frères, Jacques FOURNELLE de H., leur oncle, et Barbe FELMIN(?) fa. de Mathieu, marchal ferrant à Tiffer., et de Cath. GODFRIN etc….” 
  24. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 48 of 677. 1766 Death Record (right page, last entry).
    (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b0105321182 : accessed 2 August 2020). 
  25. FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 1427, family 5741, abstract of inventory after death. “Mos. B 8662 : le 27/05/1766, inv. ap. + de Elis. FORNELLE. Ts. : Jacques FOURNEL, Joseph BARY, Jean MIRGAINE et Jean VUARCOLIER.” 
  26. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 83 of 677. 1774 Death Record (right page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b010532f877 : accessed 2 August 2020). 
  27. FB of Hussigny-Godbrange, page 535, family 2028, abstract of inventory after death. “Mos. B 8669 : le 10/12/1774, inv. ap. + de Jacques FOURNEL de H., pauvre mendiant depuis environ 10 ans.” 
  28. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 237 of 677. 1788 Death Record (right page, first full entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b0105383e99 : accessed 2 August 2020). 
  29. Ibid., Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 560 of 677. 1793 Death Record (right page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b01054a92b3 : accessed 6 Octobe 2020). 

Sébastienne Fournel (~1692-1752) and Jean François (~1681-1741)

This is the 9th in a series of posts on my earliest FOURNELLE ancestors. After setting up the stage, introducing the main characters and supporting cast, I am now discussing each of the children of my 7th great-grandparents Jean FOURNEL (1655-1721) and Catherine SETON (1657-1702). All posts written to date are listed at the end of this post.

Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON married about 1677. Sébastienne was their sixth known child and third daughter. Her birth followed that of her siblings:

Baptismal records for Herserange, the parish Saulnes was attached to, are non-existent for the years 1689-1693. When Sébastienne died in 1752 her age at death was 60 therefore she was born about 1692. Due to the paucity of records, no baptismal entry was found.

She was not the last of Jean and Catherine’s children. She had two more (perhaps three) siblings before her mother died on 21 September 1702.1

      • Marie (1696-?)
      • Jacques (1699-1774)
      • Marie Catherine (?-?) (records have not been found to prove or disprove Marie Catherine was the same person as Marie)

Sébastienne was about 10 years old when her mother died. Her oldest sister Françoise was 24 years and probably spent the next six years raising her siblings before she married in 1708 at the age of 29. This marriage was followed by the marriages of Sébastienne’s two oldest brothers in 1710 and 1713.

A month after the 1710 marriage, Sébastienne became the godmother of her sister Françoise’s daughter Sébastienne COURTOIS baptized on 27 July 1710 in Saulnes. The godmother was 18 years old.2

1713 Baptismal Record of an illegitimate child named Jean. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 259/R 1 vue 274 de 529

The 1713 marriage took place in January. A few months later, Sébastienne’s relationship with a man produced a son born and baptized on 9 December 1713 in Saulnes. The mother declared at the time of birth that the father was Jean CHOLOT. She gave her son the name Jean. His godparents were Jean DELVA and Marie FOURNEL.3 Marie was his mother’s younger sister. Bastienne, as she was sometimes referred to, was not married to Jean CHOLOT. It isn’t known if the child was given his father’s surname as no further record has been found.

The children of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON appear to have married in order of birth. I’ve never heard of this being a pattern families followed. Following the marriages of her brother Henri who married before 1716 and her sister Jeanne in July 1720, it was Bastienne’s turn to marry.

1720 Marriage Record of Jean François and Sébastienne Fournel. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 259/R 1 vue 178 de 529

Sébastienne FOURNEL married Jean FRANÇOIS on 24 November 1720. Sébastienne was 28 years old and her groom was 39. Jean was from Crusnes (Meurthe-et-Moselle, France) and the widower of Marie MARCHAL. Sébastienne’s brothers Jean and Jacques FOURNEL were her witnesses. Witnesses for Jean were his brother (of the same name) Jean FRANÇOIS and his cousin François NICOLAS.4

Ten months after her marriage, Sébastienne and her siblings lost their father Jean FOURNEL when he died on 3 September 1721 in Saulnes.5

Bastienne and her husband Jean had seven children

Marie Catherine FRANÇOIS was born and baptized on 19 October 1721. Her godparents were Jean BOULANGER and Marie Catherine FOURNEL, the child’s aunt.6 It’s possible that the godmother was a younger sister and not Marie FOURNEL born in 1696. Marie Catherine FRANÇOIS never married and died at the age of 37 on 16 February 1759. The witnesses at the time of her death were Philippe BAILLIEU, a priest, and Jean Baptiste THOMAS, a synodal (member of the church council).7

Jean FRANÇOIS was born and baptized on 20 December 1722. His godparents were Jean CLAUDE, a young man, and Margueritte FRANÇOIS, a young girl. Both of the godparents were from Bréhain-la-Cour.8 No further trace of Jean has been found.

Jean Baptiste FRANÇOIS was born on 25 September 1724 and baptized two days later. His godfather was Jean COURTOIS and his godmother was Marguerite LELIEVRE. His name on his baptismal record was Jean.9 He married Marie Françoise THOMAS (1728-1796) on 27 February 1754 in Herserange. Witnesses to the marriage were his cousin Henry FOURNELLE and his uncle Jacques FOURNELLE; Jean and François THOMAS were witnesses for the bride. His name on his marriage record was Jean Baptiste FRANÇOIS.10 The couple were the parents of at least seven children born between 1755-1772 (research is ongoing). Jean Baptiste died on 14 April 1795 in Saulnes.11 His wife died the following year.12

1726 Baptismal Record of Anne Sébastienne François. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 259/R 1 vue 216 de 529

Anne Sébastienne FRANÇOIS was born on 23 September 1726 and baptized the following day. Her godfather was Pierre FOURNIER, a young man, and her godmother was her cousin Anne Sébastienne COURTOIS.13 Note: In this record, the father’s first name Jean was crossed out and replaced by François. No further trace of Anne Sébastienne has been found.

Charles FRANÇOIS was born on 12 October 1728 and baptized the following day. His godparents were Charles PELARDIN and Elisabeth PELARDIN.14 This baptismal record is so light that I could not read the surname of the godfather and had to rely on information found in the family book for Saulnes. No further trace of Charles has been found.

Marguerite FRANÇOIS was born on 10 March 1730 and baptized two days later. Her godparents were Jean SMELER, a young man, and Marguerite DROUET, a young girl.15 Marguerite married François DOMANGE (he signed DEMENGE) on 3 November 1785. Per this marriage record, Marguerite was the widow of Michel BAILLIEU. Her groom was a sergeant in the Régiment Royal de Roussillon and permission was given by his commanding officer, the Marquis de Vauborel, brigadier of the King’s armies, colonel of the royal regiment of Roussillon. Marguerite’s brother Jean Baptiste was a witness at the marriage.16 Marguerite died on 1 March 1799 at the age of 68.17 Her first marriage has not been researched, i.e. it is not known if she had children.

Marie Joseph FRANÇOIS was born on 14 December 1731 and baptized two days later. Her godfather was Jean THOMA, a young man, and Marie LELIEVRE.18 Marie Joseph served as the godmother of her niece Marie Joseph, daughter of Jean Baptiste FRANÇOIS and Marie Françoise THOMAS, on 15 July 1755 when she was 23 years old.19 No further trace of Marie Joseph has been found.

Confusion concerning Jean FRANÇOIS’ name

1741 Death Record of Jean François. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 259/R 1 vue 525 de 529

Sébastienne’s husband Jean FRANÇOIS died on 19 October 1741 at the age of 60. Informants on the death were François COLLIGNON, the schoolmaster, and Pierre THEATE, a laborer, both of Herserange.20 On the death record the first name Jean was marked through and François written above. This correction is also marked out. Was the correction made at the time the record was produced or did someone make the changes later?

This question made me take another closer look at all records mentioning Jean FRANÇOIS. When Bastienne and Jean married his brother who had the same name was one of his witnesses. Both were named Jean. All baptismal records of the children except one has Jean as his first name. When his daughter Anne Sébastienne was baptized in 1726 her father was listed as Jean FRANÇOIS. With another pen and in possibly other handwriting, Jean was marked out and François was written above. In 1754 when his son Jean Baptiste married, he was named as the son of the deceased Jean FRANÇOIS. In 1759 when his oldest daughter died, his name was given as François FRANÇOIS. This was written at the time the record was produced and was not a correction.

One more record was found with the name François FRANÇOIS.

1752 Death Record of Sébastienne Fournelle. Image courtesy of Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), 5 Mi 259/R 1 vue 459 de 529

Sébastienne was a widow for 11 years and died on 29 December 1752, at the age of 60 like her husband. Witnesses to her death record were Philippe BAILLIEU, a priest, and Jean PERLOT, a laborer from Herserange. Sébastienne was described as the widow of François FRANÇOIS.21

Why were records found in 1741, 1752, and 1759 with the husband of Sébastienne named François instead of Jean? Why was the change also made to the birth record of only one of the children, Anne Sébastienne in 1726? Perhaps future research into Jean Baptiste and Marguerite, the only two children who married, will bring more to light to the question.

Three of Sébastienne’s siblings survived her. Henri died the following year, Jeanne died after 1756, and Jacques died in 1774.

Jacques FOURNELLE was the last of the children of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON to marry. He will be featured in the next post.

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 1)

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 2)

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 3)

Françoise FOURNEL (1678-1729) and Jean COURTOIS (1684-1745)

Nicolas FOURNEL (1683-abt.1748) and Barbe AGARANT (abt.1678-1758)

Jean FOURNEL (1686-1749) and Jeanne BERKIN (1683-1759)

Henri FOURNEL (1688-1753) and Anne LAUNOIS (1692-1758)

Jeanne FOURNEL (~1691-aft. 1756) and Jérôme PÉTRISOT (~1680-1761)

Sébastienne FOURNEL (~1692-1752) and Jean FRANÇOIS (~1681-1741)

Jacques FOURNELLE (~1699-1774) and Marie JACOB (1695-1758)

© 2020, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.


  1. Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), browsable images of microfilm collection of parish and civil records (online http://www.archives.cg54.fr/), Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 333 of 529. New terms of use: En application du règlement sur la réutilisation des données publiques adopté par le conseil départemental de Meurthe-et-Moselle (délibération de sa commission permanente n°17, en date du 16 janvier 2017), je m’engage à mentionner la source du document téléchargé (Arch. dép. de Meurthe-et-Moselle, [suivi de la cote complète]), en cas de réutilisation. 1702 Death Record (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b538082e2f7 : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  2. Ibid., Herserange 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 284 of 529. 1710 Baptismal Record (left page, bottom entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380807750 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  3. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 274 of 529. 1713 Baptismal Record (left page, first entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807f3dc5 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  4. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 178 of 529. 1720 Marriage Record (left page, 2nd entry).(http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b09bb : accessed 8 July 2020). 
  5. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 183 of 529. 1721 Death Record (left page, first entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b3cf3 : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  6. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 184 of 529. 1721 Baptismal Record (left page, 2nd entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b4610 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  7. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 434 of 529. 1759 Death Record (right page, 2nd to last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380882189 : accessed 27 September 2020). 
  8. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 191 of 529. 1722 Baptismal Record (right page, 1st entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b8609 : accessed 27 September 2020). 
  9. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 107 of 529. 1724 Baptismal Record (left page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380784d9f : accessed 27 Septembre 2020). 
  10. Ibid., Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > images 135 of 328. 1754 Marriage Record for Jean Baptiste François and Marie Françoise Thomas (part 1) (right page bottom). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f046f98 : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  11. Ibid., Saulnes > 1782-1822 > 5 Mi 492/R 1 > image 160 of 376. 1795 Death Record – part 2 (left page, first entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf68310c : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  12. Ibid., Saulnes > 1782-1822 > 5 Mi 492/R 1 > image 163 of 376. 1796 Death Record of Marie Françoise Thomas (left page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf684cd4 : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  13. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 216 of 529. 1726 Baptismal Record (left page, 3rd entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807c6ee1 : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  14. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 175 of 529. 1728 Baptismal Record (left page, 2nd entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807aa4c8 : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  15. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R > 1 image 132 of 529. 1730 Baptismal Record (left page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807921a9 : accessed 16 September 2020). 
  16. Ibid., Saulnes > 1782-1822 > 5 Mi 492/R 1 > image 24 of 376. 1785 Marriage Record of François Domange and Marguerite François (bottom left page, top right page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf64355e : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  17. Ibid., Saulnes > 1782-1822 > 5 Mi 492/R 1 > image 172+173 of 376. 1799 Death Record – part 1 (right page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf689bb0 : accessed 29 September 2020) and 1799 Death Record – part 2 (left page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf68a40f : accessed 29 September 2020). 
  18. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 140 of 529. 1731 Baptismal Record (left page, third entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380796c05 : accessed 16 September 2020). 
  19. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 140 of 529. 1731 Baptismal Record (left page, third entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380796c05 : accessed 16 September 2020). 
  20. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 525 of 529 . 1741 Death Record (left page, 1st entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53808d4979 : accessed 27 September 2020). 
  21. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 459 of 529. 1752 Death Record (left page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380898021 : accessed 8 August 2020). 

Jeanne Fournel (~1691-aft. 1756) and Jérôme Pétrisot (~1680-1761)

This is the 8th in a series of posts on my earliest FOURNELLE ancestors. After setting up the stage, introducing the main characters and supporting cast, I am now discussing each of the children of my 7th great-grandparents Jean FOURNEL (1655-1721) and Catherine SETON (1657-1702). All posts written to date are listed at the end of this post.

Jeanne FOURNEL was the fifth child and second daughter of Jean and Catherine of Saulnes (Herserange, Meuthe-et-Moselle, France). She was most likely born bet. 1689-1693 when birth records for Herserange, the parish the village of Saulnes was attached to, are missing.

Jeanne’s life is documented with baptismal records of children for whom she was a godmother, her marriage record, the birth records of her children, the marriage record of her son, and the death record of her daughter. There is, however, no death record at this time which might indicate her age at death, i.e. giving a more accurate estimate for her year of birth.

Her sister Sébastienne was also born during this period and her birth has been estimated at about 1692 as her age at death in 1752 was given as about 60 years.1

A timeline was set up for the FOURNEL-SETON family with all events available for the parents and their children. Jean and Catherine’s children appear to have become godparents in order of birth, with one exception.

      1. Françoise: godparent in 1697 and 1705
      2. Nicolas: godparent in 1707
      3. Jean: godparent in 1708
      4. Henri: godparent in 1715 (an earlier godfather event may have been missed)
      5. Jeanne: godparent in 1708 and 1717
      6. Sébastienne: godparent in 1710
      7. Marie: godparent in 1713
      8. Jacques: godparent in 1717
      9. Marie Catherine: godparent in 1721 (twice)

Her parents had been married for about 14 years when Jeanne was born. Her older siblings were Françoise (1678-1729), Nicolas (1683-1748), Jean (1686-1749), and Henri (1688-1753). Three siblings were born following Jeanne’s birth: Sébastienne abt. 1692, Marie in 1696, and Jacques about 1699. Marie Catherine may have been her youngest sibling (born before 22 September 1702) or another name used by her sister Marie.

Jeanne’s mother Catherine SETON died on 21 September 1702 in Saulnes and was buried in the church cemetery in Herserange.2 Jeanne was likely not yet a teenager when her mother died.

In January of 1708, Jeanne’s oldest sister Françoise married Jean COURTOIS (1684-1745).3 On 14 October 1708 Jeanne became the godmother of her nephew Jean COURTOIS,  Françoise and Jean’s first child.4

More marriages took place in the following years. Jeanne’s brother Nicolas married in 1710 in Réhon and her brother Jean in 1713 in Rodange. Her brother Henri likely married before 1716.

By 1717 Jeanne’s sister Françoise had five children and Jeanne became the godmother of the COURTOIS’ sixth child Jacques on 4 February 1717.5

1720 Marriage Record of Hieronymus Petrisen and Joanna Furnelle. Courtesy of FamilySearch.

Jeanne FOURNEL married Jérôme PETRISOT on 28 July 1720 in Obercorn (Luxembourg).6 The marriage record is a three-liner in the parish book. The groom was from Lasauvage and the bride from Saulnes. Their parents’ names are not given. The groom’s first name was Hieronymus, the German version of Jérôme, in the parish book.

Jérôme was a widower and about 40 years old at the time of his marriage to Jeanne. He was first married to Margareta MIDON on 6 January 1704.7 They were the parents of four children born in 1705, 1711, 1715, and 1718. His first wife likely died 1718-1720. Death records are not available for these years in Obercorn. Only one of the children of this marriage is known to have survived. Claude PETRISOT (1711-1792) married twice and was the father of at least 10 children.

Different spellings of the surname PETRISOT: Petriseau, Pétrisot, Peltrisot, Petrizeau, Petrisotte, Petrisen, and Petryseau. I have consistently used PETRISOT to avoid confusion.

1721 Baptismal Record of Maria Catharina Petrizeau. Courtesy of FamilySearch.

Jeanne and Jéròme’s first child was born on 20 August 1721 in Lasauvage. She was named Marie Catherine when she was baptized the same day. Her godparents were Gregoire DRESSER and “Maria Catharina FURNIER” of Saulnes.8 As the mother’s maiden name was also written FURNIER in the baptismal record, the godmother would have been Marie Catherine FOURNEL.9

On 3 September 1721 Jeanne’s father Jean FOURNEL died and was buried in the church cemetery, two weeks after his granddaughter Marie Catherine was born.10

1721 Baptismal Record of Joes Paulus Petriseau. Courtesy of FamilySearch.

Two years later, Jeanne gave birth to a son. Jean Paul was born on 23 September 1723 in Lasauvage and baptized the same day. His godparents were Jean Paul BARON and Marie COMTE (sic, Lecomte) of Lasauvage.11

Jérôme PETRISOT had a sister Marie married to Grégoire LECOMTE. The godmother Jeanne and Jérôme chose for their son Jean Paul could be a niece or his sister Marie. Although women were usually named with their maiden names in these records, there are cases where the husband’s name was listed.

While the Jeanne FOURNEL and Jérôme PETRISOT raised their children in Lasauvage over the next two decades, Jeanne lost her siblings: Françoise in 1729, Nicolas bef. 1748, Jean in 1749, Sébastienne in 1752, and Henri in 1753.

On 4 June 1756, Jeanne and Jérôme’s son, Jean Paul PETRISOT married Anne LADURELLE (1726-1812) in Herserange.12 Witnesses to the marriage were Jean Paul’s half-brother Claude PETRISOT and his cousin Jacques LECOMTE as well as the bride’s father Simon LADURELLE and her brother Jean Baptiste LADURELLE. The parents of both the bride and groom were named without mention of any of the parties being deceased.13 Jacques LECOMTE was the son of Grégoire LECOMTE and Marie PETRISOT, sister of Jean Paul’s father Jérôme.

Almost exactly a year later, the first grandchild of Jeanne FOURNEL arrived. Marie Jeanne PETRISOT was born on 6 June 1757 in Lasauvage. Her godfather was Joseph PETRISOT of Lasauvage (oldest son of Claude PETRISOT, half-brother of Jean Paul); her godmother was Marie Jeanne LADURELLE of Rodange, sister of the mother.14

Three years later, Catherine PETRISOT was born in Lasauvage on 12 May 1760. She was baptized the same day. Her godfather was a man with the first name Franciscus (last name illegible, poss. Hermann) and her godmother was Catherine PETRISOT. Both godparents were from Lasauvage.15 The godmother is not identified as such but was likely Jean Paul’s sister Marie Catherine.

Jeanne’s husband Jérôme PETRISOT died on 10 March 1761 in Lasauvage and was buried in the church cemetery in Obercorn.16 There is no mention of his being the husband or widower of Jeanne FOURNEL.

No record of death has been found for Jeanne. Her death can only be estimated. She died after 24 June 1756 when she was mentioned in her son Jean Paul’s marriage record. It cannot, at this time, be determined if she predeceased her husband.

Jean Paul moved his family to Saulnes by 1763. If Jeanne was still living at the time, she may have joined his family. On 24 March 1763, Marie Françoise PETRISOT was born to Jean Paul and his wife Anne. She was baptized the next day. Her godparents were Joseph COLLINET, son of Claude COLLINET, and Marie Françoise THOMAS, daughter of Jean Baptiste THOMAS of Saulnes.17

The fourth and last grandchild of Jeanne FOURNEL was Jean Baptiste PETRISOT born in Saulnes and baptized on 1 May 1766. His godparents were Jean Baptiste GRAISSER and Madelaine DROPSY.18

Five months later, the four children lost their father and Anne LADURELLE was widowed. Jean Paul PETRISOT died on 4 October 1766 in Saulnes. Witness to his death record was his father-in-law Simon LADURELLE.19 Anne would remarry a year later.

1773 Death Record of Catharina Petriso, daughter of Hyeronime Petriso and Joanna Fournelle. Courtesy of FamilySearch.

Jean Paul’s sister Marie Catherine, who remained in Lasauvage, died there on 29 May 1773 and was buried the following day in Obercorn.20 She was never married. Her parents were mentioned by name in her death record but not if they were living or deceased.

Both of Jeanne FOURNEL and Jérôme PETRISOT’s children were now deceased. Jeanne’s only living sibling was her youngest brother Jacques FOURNELLE who died the following year on 9 December 1774 in Hussigny.21

The four grandchildren of Jeanne FOURNEL married in 1787, 1788, 1792, and 1798. They all lived into their seventies.

A note of interest before I close this post. Catherine PETRISOT, the second oldest grandchild of Jeanne FOURNEL, married her second cousin Nicolas LUX, a grandson of Françoise FOURNEL.22

Five down and two to go. Next up is Sébastienne FOURNEL, the youngest daughter of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON to marry and have a family.

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 1)

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 2)

Going Back to the Earliest Fournelle Ancestor (Part 3)

Françoise FOURNEL (1678-1729) and Jean COURTOIS (1684-1745)

Nicolas FOURNEL (1683-abt.1748) and Barbe AGARANT (abt.1678-1758)

Jean FOURNEL (1686-1749) and Jeanne BERKIN (1683-1759)

Henri FOURNEL (1688-1753) and Anne LAUNOIS (1692-1758)

Jeanne FOURNEL (~1691-aft. 1756) and Jérôme PÉTRISOT (~1680-1761)

Sébastienne FOURNEL (~1692-1752) and Jean FRANÇOIS (~1681-1741)

Jacques FOURNELLE (~1699-1774) and Marie JACOB (1695-1758)

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  1. Archives départementales de Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), browsable images of microfilm collection of parish and civil records (online http://www.archives.cg54.fr/), Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > Herserange B. (1668-1688, 1694-1742, 1745-1746), M. (1684-1686, 1688-1692, 1694-1742, 1745-1746), S. (1676-1679, 1681-1689, 1694-1742, 1745-1773) image 459 of 529. New terms of use: En application du règlement sur la réutilisation des données publiques adopté par le conseil départemental de Meurthe-et-Moselle (délibération de sa commission permanente n°17, en date du 16 janvier 2017), je m’engage à mentionner la source du document téléchargé (Arch. dép. de Meurthe-et-Moselle, [suivi de la cote complète]), en cas de réutilisation. 1752 Death Record (left page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380898021 : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  2. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 333 of 529. 1702 Death Record (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b538082e2f7 : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  3. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > Herserange B. (1668-1688, 1694-1742, 1745-1746), M. (1684-1686, 1688-1692, 1694-1742, 1745-1746), S. (1676-1679, 1681-1689, 1694-1742, 1745-1773) image 300 of 529. 1708 Marriage Record of Jean Courtois and Françoise Fournel (right page, last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380814b5d : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  4. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > Herserange B. (1668-1688, 1694-1742, 1745-1746), M. (1684-1686, 1688-1692, 1694-1742, 1745-1746), S. (1676-1679, 1681-1689, 1694-1742, 1745-1773) > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 303 of 529. 1708 Baptismal Record (right page, 2nd to last entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b5380816b4f : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  5. Ibid., Herserange 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 234 of 529. 1717 Baptismal Record (left page, 1st entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807d29ad : accessed 8 August 2020). 
  6. Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Obercorn > Baptêmes 1704-1727, 1746, 1794-1797, 1800-1805, mariages 1795-1797, 1800-1807, sépultures 1794-1797, 1802-1807 > image 6 of 296. 1720 Marriage Record (left page, 4th entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9SK3?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-N3T%3A1500974001%2C1500974302 : accessed 12 July 2020). 
  7. Ibid., Obercorn > Baptêmes 1704-1727, 1746, 1794-1797, 1800-1805, mariages 1795-1797, 1800-1807, sépultures 1794-1797, 1802-1807 > image 10 of 296. 1704 Marriage Record (right page, 1st entry for 1704). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-9SFK?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-N3T%3A1500974001%2C1500974302 : accessed 24 September 2020). 
  8. Ibid., Obercorn > Baptêmes 1704-1727, 1746, 1794-1797, 1800-1805, mariages 1795-1797, 1800-1807, sépultures 1794-1797, 1802-1807 > image 78 of 296. 1721 Baptismal Record (right page, 2nd entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9SCK?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-N3T%3A1500974001%2C1500974302 : accessed 12 July 2020). 
  9. Note concerning the godmother: Sébastienne FOURNEL married Jean FRANCOIS on 24 November 1720, four months after Jeanne married Jérôme. Their first child was born on 19 October 1721 and also named Marie Catherine. The godmother was Marie Catherine FOURNEL of Saulnes. The godmother of both Jeanne and Sébastienne’s daughters must be the same person. The question remains, was she a daughter of Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON born before Catherine’s death or was she their daughter Marie who was born 9 June 1696? No further records have been found for Marie FOURNEL or Marie Catherine FOURNEL. 
  10. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 183 of 529. 1721 Death Record (left page, first entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b53807b3cf3 : accessed 7 July 2020). 
  11. Luxembourg Church Records, Obercorn > Baptêmes 1704-1727, 1746, 1794-1797, 1800-1805, mariages 1795-1797, 1800-1807, sépultures 1794-1797, 1802-1807 > image 84 of 296. 1723 Baptismal Record (right page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9SQL?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-N3T%3A1500974001%2C1500974302 : accessed 11 August 2020). 
  12. Note: Jean Paul PETRISOT was my 1C7R and Anne LADURELLE was my 1C8R. My common ancestors with Jean Paul are my 7th great-grandparents Jean FOURNEL and Catherine SETON. My common ancestors with Anne are her grandparents Pierre LADURELLE and Jeanne SALIN, my 8th great-grandparents. 
  13. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > image 125 of 328. 1756 Marriage Record (right page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f041bfb : accessed 24 September 2020). 
  14. Luxembourg Church Records, Obercorn > Baptêmes 1728-1778 > image 46 of 103. 1757 Baptismal Record (left page, 7th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-9Z6D?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-HZW%3A1500974001%2C1501099482 : accessed 11 August 2020). 
  15. Ibid., Obercorn > Baptêmes 1728-1778 > image 50 of 103. 1760 Baptismal Record (right page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9ZB9?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-HZW%3A1500974001%2C1501099482 : accessed 11 August 2020). 
  16. Ibid., Obercorn > Mariages 1727-1770, sépultures 1727-1737, 1740-1778 > image 18 of 96. 1761 Death Record (left page, 2nd entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-99CH?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-44M%3A1500974001%2C1501083590 : accessed 23 September 2020). 
  17. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > image 71 of 328. 1763 Baptismal Record (left page, 2nd entry). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f0261d4 : accessed 24 September 2020). 
  18. Ibid., Herserange > 1743-1791 > 5 Mi 259/R 3 > image 49 of 328. 1766 Baptismal Record (left page bottom and right page top). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3ebca/54b536f01bd40 : accessed 24 September 2020). 
  19. Ibid., Herserange > 1668-1773 > 5 Mi 259/R 1 > image 413 of 529. 1766 Death Record (left page bottom, right page top). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea3e74c/54b538086e9da : accessed 24 September 2020). 
  20. Luxembourg Church Records, Obercorn > Mariages 1727-1770, sépultures 1727-1737, 1740-1778 > image 43 of 96. 1773 Death Record (right page, 1st full entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-9B7?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-44M%3A1500974001%2C1501083590 : accessed 11 August 2020). 
  21. Archives Meurthe-et-Moselle (54), Hussigny-Godbrange > 1714-1809 > 5 Mi 268/R 1 > image 83 of 677. 1774 Death Record (right page). (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ea53d8a/54b010532f877 : accessed 2 August 2020). 
  22. Ibid., Saulnes 1782-1822 > B., M., S. (1782-1792), N., M., D. (1793-1822) > 5 Mi 492/R 1 > image 36 and 37 of 376. 1788 Marriage Record (right page, bottom) part 1. (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf648f1e : accesed 18 August 2020) and 1788 Marriage Record (left page, top) part 2. (http://archivesenligne.archives.cg54.fr/ark:/33175/s0054ad10ed0f349/54ae6cf64957b : accessed 18 August 2020).