52 Ancestors: #31 The Still Not Quite Done Schmit-Weicker Family of Bertrange

Peter SCHMITT’s Parents

In 1756 two children were born in Bertrange, in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, one on September 20th[1] and the other on October 2nd.[2] Their baptismal records are on the same page in the parish register, the second right below the first. The twelve days between no children were born in Bertrange.

1756 Baptismal Record No. 242 for Petrus Schmid[1] and No. 243 for Rosa Clemens[2]
A little over twenty years later, on 10 February 1777, the two children were once again seen in the parish register, this time getting married – to each other.[3]

1777 Marriage Record No. 318 for Petrus Schmid and Rosa Clemens.[3]
Peter SCHMIT (1756-1816) and Rosa CLEMENS (1756-1815), the children who were baptized in 1756 and the couple who married in 1777, had ten children born between 1778 and 1799. Their second son Peter SCHMIT, my children’s 5th great-grandfather, was born and baptized on 3 April 1779 in Bertrange.[4] His godparents were Petrus KREMER and Catharina SCHMIT. His father was present and signed the record in longhand.

1779 Baptismal Record of Petrus Schmit with father’s signature [pater].[4]
Peter SCHMIT married Margaretha WEICKER before 1811. Their marriage took place before their first child was born however a marriage record has not been found. The couple was always referred to as legally married when their children were born. The marriage record was not found in Bertrange parish records from 1802-1811 or in the tables décennales (10-year lists) for the years 1802-1812 for Bertrange and Steinfort. Records were usually very well kept and I believe one day Peter and Margaretha’s marriage will turn up. Perhaps sooner than later as my genealogy society Luxracines has dedicated members working on a marriage project –  indexing all marriages in Luxembourg from 1802 to 1923.

Why is Margaretha WEICKER’s Parentage Unknown?

Margaretha, my children’s 5th great-grandmother, was born about 1795 in Hoën (Hagen), Sterpenich, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. The year of birth was estimated from her age at the time of death.[5] Records for Hagen, a village in the Steinfort area, are not in the FamilySearch collection for Luxembourg for this period.

The Grand Duchy was under a double administration for about eight years before the Treaty of London was passed in 1839 when the present borders of Luxembourg were defined. Repatriation of the records (return to the country of origin) was not simple. Records for Steinfort for the period before the borders were changed can be found in Autelbas in the Province of Luxembourg in Belgium. Civil records beginning in 1796 for Autelbas are online at FamilySearch.

As Margaretha’s birth may have been earlier I checked the parish records for Sterpenich in the FamilySearch catalog. The parish records of Sterpenich for the years 1779-1793 are conformed copies made from the originals by the Luxembourg authorities and given to the Belgium government in December 1844 per the convention of Utrecht signed in 1843, i.e. repatriation. I have no idea where the records for the years 1794-1795 may be found and am at a standstill on my research for Margaretha, her birth, and parentage.

Not only are the records missing, Margaretha’s name has been found with several variations. Her family name was spelled WEIKER or WEICKER and also seen as WIKERT. Her first name was Margaretha in early documents and Anne Marguerite in later years. These are all things which need to be considered when future research is done on her parentage.

Peter and Margaretha’s Children

Peter and Margaretha were the parents of seven children. Two died before their 2nd birthdays while the five others grew to adulthood, married, and had their own children. These are the SCHMIT children:

Magdalena SCHMIT was born on 10 February 1811 in domo Donnen in Bertrange.[6] She was baptized the same day.[7] Her godfather was Joannes SCHMIDT from Bertrange and her godmother was Magdalena KÜNSCH from Hohen (or Hagen) in the parish of Sterpenich. Was her godmother her grandmother, an aunt, or cousin? This may be a clue to solving the question of her mother’s parentage.

1811 Baptismal Record for Magdalena Schmit[7]
Rosa SCHMIT was born on 7 Feb 1815 in domo Bour in Bertrange[8] and baptized the same day.[9] Her godmother was her paternal grandmother Rosa CLEMENS. Her godfather was Nicolaus WEICKER of Hohen. Could he have been her maternal grandfather or an uncle?

Rosa’s godmother and paternal grandmother Rosa CLEMENS died only a few months later on 22 May 1815. Her paternal grandfather Peter SCHMIT died on 11 February 1816.

1815 Baptismal Record of Rosa Schmit[9]
Rosa died two weeks later on 26 February 1816 in domo Donnen in Bertrange shortly after her first birthday.[10] She was buried the following day. Her religious death and burial record has her mother’s name as Anna Margaretha Hinnicker instead of Weicker.[11]

1816 Death and Burial Record of Rosa Schmit[11]
Nicolas SCHMIT was born at seven in the morning on 8 April 1817 in Bertrange. His father reported the birth two hours later.[12] As baptismal records for Bertrange are only available online up to 1816 the godparents of Nicolas and his younger siblings were not found as they were for Magdalena and Rosa.

Michel SCHMIT was born at two in the morning on 10 February 1819 in Bertrange. His father reported the birth eight hours later.[13]

Following their youngest child Michel’s first birthday, Peter and Margaretha lost their second child, son Nicolas. He died on 21 February 1820 in Bertrange at the age of nearly three years.[14]

Jean SCHMIT* was born at three in the afternoon on 12 July 1820. His father reported the birth two days later at eight in the morning on the 14th.[40] This child’s birth record was only found after this post was ready to be published. While reading through the final draft I realized something was wrong and checked again on SCHMIT children born in Bertrange.

Maria Catharina SCHMIT was born at two in the morning on 25 February 1822 in Bertrange. Her father reported the birth the same day at nine in the morning.[15]

Jean SCHMIT was born at 9:30 in the morning on 3 September 1825 in Bertrange. His father reported the birth the same day at eleven in the morning.[16] As was the case with all of his children’s births, Peter declared not being able to write. I found this strange, his being the second born of a father who was able to write as seen above at the time of his own baptism in 1779.[4]

Margaretha WEICKER’s Death in 1826

The mother of the five living children, Margaretha WEICKER, died on 17 January 1826 in Bartringen. She was 31 years old at the time of her death.[5] Her youngest child was only four months old and her oldest would shortly be turning fifteen. Her name on the record was Anne Marguerithe WEICKER. The addition of Anne to her name was also seen on the birth records of her two youngest children.

Widowed Peter Remarries

Following the death of his wife, Peter waited two years before taking a second wife. This seems unusual as he had been left with five children, one still a baby. Magdalena, his oldest child, likely took on the responsibilities of a little mother, helping care for her younger siblings.

Peter married Anne Marie SCHOLER, daughter of Jean SCHOLER and Susanne BOURENS, on 22 March 1828 in Bertrange.[17] Anne Marie was born on 4 June 1792 in Obersyren (Schuttrange).

Peter and his second wife Anne Marie had only one child, a daughter, Madelaine born four years into the marriage on 16 July 1832 in Bertrange.[18] Her half-siblings were by this time 7, 10, 12, 13, and 21 years old. She did not, however, grow up without a playmate.

Peter’s oldest daughter Magdalena gave birth to a natural daughter on 7 November 1835.[19] Anne’s father’s name was not on the birth record. Natural was the term used for children born out of wedlock. Anne appears to have been raised in her maternal grandfather’s household as she was listed with Peter and Anne Marie on the 1843[20] and 1846 census.[21]

Changing Relationships

Peter’s second wife Anne Marie had a sister Margaretha SCHOLER (1802-1842) who was married to Jacob RUCKERT (1787-1856). Margaretha gave Jacob eight children, six of whom were living when she died after giving birth to the last on 20 March 1842.[22]. Peter’s brother-in-law Jacob became his son-in-law eight months later.

Peter and Margaretha’s oldest daughter Magdalena married Jacob RUCKERT, son of Johann RUCKERT and Angelique MICHELS, on 26 November 1842 in Bartringen.[23] Jacob was born on 23 July 1787 in domo Michels in Bertrange and baptized the same day.[24] The marriage would last fourteen years ending with Jacob’s death on 24 June 1856 in Bertrange.[25] Magdalena and Jacob were my children’s 4th great-grandparents. This is their story: 52 Ancestors: #41 How Jacob RUCKERT’s Brother-in-law Peter SCHMIT Became his Father-in-law.

Peter SCHMIT’s Death in 1847

At eleven in the morning of 27 March 1847 Peter SCHMIT age 22 reported the death of his father Peter SCHMIT who had died only two hours earlier at his home in the neighborhood called Eichels in Bertrange.[26]

1847 Death Record No. 15 for Peter Schmit[26]
I have a small problem with this death record as Peter did not have a son named Peter. Both of Peter’s wives are correctly named on the death record. Is the signature of the informant that of Jean SCHMIT the youngest son who was 22 years old at the time? The younger Jean was the only child to remain in his father’s household in 1843 and 1846 and was seen with his step-mother in 1847. Due to the fact that I found another son named Jean born in 1820, I believe the younger son may have been known as Johann Peter (Jean Pierre) to distinguish him from his older brother Jean.

Widow Anne SCHOLER last seen in 1847 census

1847 Luxembourg Census. Household of Anne Scholer, widow of Peter Schmit, with her step-children and daughter.[27]
In the 1847 census, Peter’s widow Anne SCHOLER was the head of household with her stepsons Michel, Jean (26), Jean (22) and stepdaughter Maria Catharina (children from Peter’s first marriage) and her only child, daughter Madelaine from her marriage to Peter.[27] This entry in the census led me to search once again for children of Peter and Margaretha but only after I had finished the research and written this post.

Michel, the elder Jean, and Maria Catharina were not in their father’s household in 1843 or 1846. This was not unusual as they were of an age to be working outside of the home. I had wrongly assumed the elder Jean found in the 1847 census was an error or relative other than child.

Peter’s widow Anne Marie SCHOLER and their daughter Madelaine have not found after the 1847 census.

The SCHMIT children lived in the three districts of Luxembourg

The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg is divided into three districts: Luxembourg, Diekirch, and Grevenmacher (dark gray areas in the maps below). Each district is divided into cantons (red areas in the maps below) and each canton is divided into communes. Several towns and villages may be part of a commune.

The District of Luxembourg
The darker gray area is the District of Luxembourg

Peter SCHMIT and Margaretha WEICKER’s children grew up in the town of Bertrange. Peter had deep roots in the town as his parents and grandparents all came from the town.

Their oldest daughter Magdalena SCHMIT raised her family in Bertrange. She was likely the first of the siblings to pass away.* She died on 30 September 1870 in Bertrange.[28] Other than her natural daughter Anne, she had a son and three daughters with Jacob RUCKERT. The son has not been found after he turned 21 in 1864. One daughter died as an infant. The youngest daughter had a natural son (1867-1868) and it is not known if she ever married or where she lived after her mother’s death. The older daughter Margaretha, my children’s 3rd great-grandmother, married but there is still the mystery of what happened to her and of her family after 1895. It is only through the marriage of her daughter Maria MERTES in 1894 and the census of 1895 that I know that Margaretha and her husband Michel MERTES were still living in 1895.

Peter and Margaretha’s youngest son Jean SCHMIT (b. 1825) also spent his married life in Bertrange. But before this, he was living and working in other places. One residence was Mondercange where he was in May 1852 when his brother Michel married. He was one of the four witnesses and signed “Jang Schmit.” Six years later he was living and working in Noertzange (Bettembourg) when he made plans to marry. Jean married Maria RISCHARD on 20 January 1858 in Schuttrange.[29] Maria was born on 16 March 1827 in Uebersyren (Schuttrange), the same place Jean’s step-mother was born.[30] They lived in Bertrange their entire married life. They were the parents of 6 children, three of whom died at a young age. Of the three living children, a daughter married and had children. The two sons were working in Lothringen (France) in the late 1890s – they have not been traced.

Jean SCHMIT died on 28 November 1892 in Bertrange.[31] His death record has the right wife but the wrong parents. The information was given by his son-in-law Mathias HANSEN. Jean’s wife died six years later on 30 April 1898 in Bertrange.[32]

The District of Diekirch

The second daughter of Peter and Margaretha, Maria Catharina married Joseph POECKER on 20 February 1852 in Bettendorf.[33] Joseph was born on 25 February 1819 in Bettendorf.[34]

The darker gray area is the District of Diekirch

How Maria Catharina came to marry in Bettendorf is unknown at this time. She and her husband raised their family on Fooshof. They had seven children, four of whom died in infancy. A daughter who never married died at the age of 38 years. The youngest living son born in 1864 was unmarried at the time of the 1900 census. He was living with his brother Nicolas who had married in 1893 and continued the line.

Maria Catharina died on 1 September 1879 on the family farm, Fooshof in Bettendorf.[35] Her husband Joseph died on 19 January 1895 on Fooshof.[36]

The District of Grevenmacher
The darker gray area is the District of Grevenmacher

Peter and Margaretha’s oldest son Michel married Anna Margretha BRAUN on 5 May 1852 in Waldbillig.[37] Anna was born on 12 May 1826 in Bettange-sur-Mess (Dippach). Michel and Anna Margretha started their family when they were working on the Wolperhof in the commune of Consdorf. Three of their children were born here.

The District of Diekirch
The darker grey area is the District of Diekirch

 

The third child’s birth at Wolper was followed by a move to the western part of Luxembourg in the commune of Bettborn. Three more children were born in Pratz, part of the commune of Bettborn.

Michel and Anna Margretha lived in Horaz from 1885. Not far from Pratz, Horaz, which is also spelled Horass, only had two households.

Michel SCHMIT was the oldest son and last living child of Peter and Margaretha. He died on 26 December 1898 in Horaz.[38] His wife Anna Margretha predeceased him on 12 November 1890 in Horaz.[39]

Still Not Quite Done

* Due to my only learning of the existence of the elder son Jean born in 1820 after writing this post, I have not had the time to research where he may have lived and worked, if he ever married and had children, and when and where he died. Considering his name Jean SCHMIT – just another John Smith – the search may take a while.

There is an update to this post!

Coming Next…

This is the last post on my children’s paternal 5th great-grandparents. I already wrote about half of their maternal 5th great-grandparents (my paternal 4th great-grandparents) in 2014 when I did the first round of Amy Johnson Crow‘s 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks challenge.

Next up will be 16 sets of my maternal 4th great-grandparents. The first eight being from small towns and villages which are now part of Germany near the Luxembourg border. The last eight will be from Luxembourg. I hope to finish up this series by the end of the year even though there are only 13 weeks left. Wish me luck and lots of free time.

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Maps used are in the Public domain (Wikimedia Commons) and were annotated using Evernote.

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[1] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Bertrange > Baptêmes 1723-1780, confirmations 1755-1767, mariages 1723-1780, sépultures 1723-1780 > image 59 of 200. 1756 Baptismal Record No. 242. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G971-1CGD?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-92Q%3A1500936901%2C1501072268 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[2] Ibid., Bertrange > Baptêmes 1723-1780, confirmations 1755-1767, mariages 1723-1780, sépultures 1723-1780 > image 59 of 200. 1756 Baptismal Record No. 243. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G971-1CGD?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-92Q%3A1500936901%2C1501072268 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[3] Ibid., Bertrange > Baptêmes 1723-1780, confirmations 1755-1767, mariages 1723-1780, sépultures 1723-1780 > image 150 of 200. 1777 Marriage Record No. 318 (right page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G971-1C6Q?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-92Q%3A1500936901%2C1501072268 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[4] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Bertrange > Baptêmes 1723-1780, confirmations 1755-1767, mariages 1723-1780, sépultures 1723-1780 > image 106 of 200. 1779 Baptismal Record No. 19. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L971-1CTL?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-92Q%3A1500936901%2C1501072268 : accessed 13 September 2017).
[5] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 684 of 1416. 1826 Death Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-52047-76?cc=1709358 : accessed 2 April 2010).
[6] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 125 of 1480. 1811 Birth Record (left page). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X363-TRT?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 10 Apr 2013).
[7] Luxembourg Church Records, Bertrange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1808-1816 > image 32 of 86. 1811 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-SZWW?cc=2037955&wc=STHD-3YW%3A1500936901%2C1500942502 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[8] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 168 of 1480. 1815 Birth Record (right, top). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X363-RLJ?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[9] Luxembourg Church Records, Bertrange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1808-1816 > image 69 of 86. 1815 Baptismal Record (left). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-SCF7?cc=2037955&wc=STHD-3YW%3A1500936901%2C1500942502 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[10] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 595 of 1416. 1816 Death Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X89-1WQ?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-829%3A129622901%2C129640401 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[11] Luxembourg Church Records, Bertrange > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1808-1816 > image 84 of 86. 1816 Death Record (right page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-SCHD?cc=2037955&wc=STHD-3YW%3A1500936901%2C1500942502 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[12] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 191 of 1480. 1817 Birth Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X36Q-SWY?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[13] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 210 of 1480. 1819 Birth Record No. 4. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X363-RCS?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : acccessed 14 September 2017).
[14] Ibid., Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 637 of 1416. 1820 Death Record No. 7. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X8S-39Q?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-829%3A129622901%2C129640401 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[15] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 242 of 1480. 1822 Birth Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X36Q-SHK?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[16] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 288 of 1480. 1825 Birth Record No. 36. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X363-TST?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[17] Ibid., Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 11 of 1416. 1828 Marriage Record No. 9. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-54927-45?cc=1709358 : accessed 8 October 2015).
[18] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 411 of 1480. 1832 Birth Record No. 28. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X363-RKD?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : acccessed 14 September 2017).
[19] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 479 of 1480. 1835 Birth Record No. 69. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X36Q-987?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 7 October 2015).
[20] Luxembourg Census Records, Bertrange > 1843 > image 144 of 407. Schmit-Scholer household. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897B-FJ1T?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-NQ9%3A346116301%2C345863501 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[21] Ibid., Bertrange > 1846 > image 206 of 431. Schmit-Scholer household. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997B-VDT6?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-ZJF%3A346116301%2C345858602 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[22] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 907 of 1416. 1842 Death Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-51891-68?cc=1709358 : accessed 6 October 2015).
[23] Ibid., Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 156 of 1416. 1842 Marriage Record No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-57204-95?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2DC:725853054 : accessed 10 Apr 2013).
[24] Luxembourg Church Record, Bertrange > Baptêmes 1781-1797, confirmations 1791, mariages 1781-1797, sépultures 1781-1797 > image 64 of 254. 1787 Baptismal Record No. 215. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32462-8679-85?cc=2037955 : accessed 6 October 2015).
[25] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 1084 of 1416. 1856 Death Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-55634-51?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2DC:725853054 : accessed 10 Apr 2013).
[26] Ibid., Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 988 of 1416. 1847 Death Record No. 15. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-51852-95?cc=1709358 : accessed 8 October 2015).
[27] Luxembourg Census Records, Bertrange > 1847 > image 386 of 448. Schmit-Scholer household. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997B-CYTF?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-MJG%3A346116301%2C345864101 : accessed 16 September 2017).
[28] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bertrange > Mariages 1828-1890 Décès 1796-1890 > image 1215 of 1416. 1870 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-58375-57?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2DC:725853054 : accessed 11 Apr 2013).
[29] Ibid., Schuttrange > Naissances 1826-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1843 > image 996 of 1488. 1858 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6F8K-J9?cc=1709358&wc=9RY3-T38%3A130363201%2C130466501 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[30] Ibid., Schuttrange > Naissances 1826-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1843 > image 22 of 1488. 1827 Birth Record No. 12. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6F8K-RN?cc=1709358&wc=9RY3-T38%3A130363201%2C130466501 : accessed 29 September 2017).
[31] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances, mariages, décès 1891-1894 > image 82 of 99. 1892 Death Record No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRHS-CY5?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-L2V%3A129622901%2C129717601 : accessed 19 September 2017).
[32] Ibid., Bertrange > Mariages 1895-1923 Décès 1895-1912 > image 252 of 370. 1898 Death Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97J-JZWQ?cc=1709358&wc=9RTY-J4C%3A129622901%2C129807601 : accessed 15 September 2017).
[33] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 444 of 1494. 1852 Marriage Record No. 1. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6RW9-8PB?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8%3A129626601%2C129729901 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[34] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1800-1827 > image 177 of 306. 1819 Birth Record (left, top). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRLL-2Y?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-DPD%3A129626601%2C129760501 : accessed 19 September 2019).
[35] Ibid., Bettendorf > Décès 1860-1890 > image 305 of 465. 1879 Death Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6M8S-HJV?cc=1709358&wc=9RYH-82S%3A129626601%2C129626602 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[36] Ibid., Bettendorf > Décès 1895-1923 > image 2 of 389. 1895 Death Record No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97V-HR8J?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-926%3A129626601%2C129623802 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[37] Ibid., Waldbillig > Naissances 1871-1890 Mariages 1796-1798, 1800-1803, 1805-1890 Décès 1796-1803, 1805-1838 > image 863 of 1486. 1852 Marriage Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DR53-L8K?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-N38%3A130535001%2C130636701 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[38] Ibid., Bettborn > Décès 1895-1923 > image 34 of 217. 1898 Death Record No. 20. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897V-9X2K?cc=1709358&wc=9RTB-C6L%3A129627501%2C129623802 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[39] Ibid., Bettborn > Décès 1813-1891 > image 691 of 695. 1890 Death Record No. 20. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRL2-1J?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-DP6%3A129627501%2C129627502 : accessed 14 September 2017).
[40] Ibid., Bertrange > Naissances 1796-1890 Mariages 1796-1827 > image 224 of 1480. 1820 Birth Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X36Q-948?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-YWL%3A129622901%2C129854201 : accessed 29 September 2017).

© 2017, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

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52 Ancestors: #15 Clemens-Weber Family of Steinheim, Luxembourg

Joannes CLEMENS (1750-1827) and Susanna WEBER (1750-1825) were my children’s 5th great-grandparents. Their research took me to villages I had not yet researched but I wasn’t surprised they had me searching through the parish records of the town I live in. The parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and burials for Echternach (blue cross) date from 1637 to 1797 and include the villages of Bech, Osweiler, and Steinheim (all in Luxembourg) and Ernzen, Ferschweiler, Irrel, Menningen, and Minden (all in Rhineland, Germany) (ruby icons).

Minden and Steinheim

Steinheim by Jean Bertels 1597
Johannes Bertelius [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons
Minden lies at the confluence of the Nims, a tributary of the Prüm, and the Sauer on the German side. The village was formerly attached to Echternach, but since the abbey was abolished it now belongs to the Edingen parish. Across the Sauer on the Luxembourg side lies the village of Steinheim (Steenem in Luxembourgish). It was also attached to Echternach and today belongs to the commune of Rosport. In a document from the 7th century, the place was called “Staneheim.” In earlier times quality stone was quarried there. In the Trierischen Chronik in 1822 Court of Appeals judge Müller tried to prove the stones used for the construction of the Roman baths near the monastery of St. Barbara in Trier, which had been uncovered that year, originated from Steinheim.

Susanna WEBER aka Susanna FEILEN

Susanna was baptized on 10 January 1750 in Minden.[1] She was the daughter of Matthias WEBER and Anna Margaretha FEILEN who married on 19 November 1748 in Echternach.[2] She was Matthias’ first born but not Anna Margaretha’s. Her mother was previously married in 1745[3], had a son in 1747[4], and was widowed in January 1748[5]. Ten months later she married Matthias.

Susanna had five known full siblings, all baptized in Minden where they were born: Maria on 14 September 1752, Peter on 2 August 1755, Maria on 9 May 1758, Johann on 14 December 1760, and Matthias on 13 April 1763[6]

Susanna WEBER married Joannes CLEMENT on 20 November 1771 in Steinheim.[7] If you take a close look at the marriage entry in the church records, you may ask, can this be the correct record?

In prasentia Petri Saubert ex Birckelt et Matthia Feilen ex Minheim R.D. Lucius Solemniza vit nomine meo in Stienheim matrimonium inter honestos adolescentes Joem filium gegitimum Danielis Clement ex Steinheim et Susanna filiam legitimam Matthias Feilen ex Minheim.

In the presence of Petri Saubert from Birckelt and Matthias Feilen from Minheim, R.D. Lucius solemnized a marriage in Steinheim between the respectable young Joem, legitimate son of Danielis Clement from Steinheim, and Susanna, the legitimate daughter of Matthias Feilen from Minheim. 

Susanna and her father Matthias were seen with the surname FEILEN, her mother’s maiden name, on the marriage record. This was not unusual as men and their families were at times known by their wives’ surname if they were living and/or working in the woman’s family home and/or business.

Joannes CLEMENS aka Joannes CLEMENT

Joannes “Jean” CLEMENT (1750-1827) was born about 1750 in Steinheim. No baptismal record has been found. The estimated year and place were taken from his death record.[8] He was seen as the son of Daniel CLEMENT on his marriage record (above). A woman named Elisabetha, wife of Daniel CLEMENT, died on 6 November 1777[9] and a man named Daniel CLEMENT died on 29 June 1778[10], both in Steinheim. These are believed to have been Joannes’ parents.

Over the years entries were found for Joannes with his surname spelled CLEMENT and CLEMEN. By the time he died his surname spelling had changed to CLEMENS.

Susanna and Joannis’ Children

Susanna and Joannes were the parents of eight children. When their first child was born in 1773 the mother’s maiden name was seen in the parish register as FEILEN. Later, at the time of the baptisms of their next seven children, she was seen with her father’s surname, WEBER.

  1. Elisabeth was baptized on 22 September 1773 in Steinheim; the godparents were Matthias Weber of Minden and Elisabeth Clement of Steinheim. Her godparents were likely her paternal grandmother and her maternal grandfather.[11]
  2. Lucia was baptized on 9 December 1775 in Steinheim; the godparents were Peter Sauber of Steinheim and Lucia Diemer of Ernzen. Lucia Diemer was the wife of Johann Feilen, the brother of the maternal grandmother.[12]
  3. Anna was baptized on 17 March 1780 in Steinheim; the godparents were Mathias Sauber and Anna Maria Hemsthal, both of Steinheim.[13]

Following the births of the first three children and before Susanna became pregnant with her fourth child, two of her daughters died. Lucia on 19 August 1781[14] and Anna Maria in 1782.[15]

  1. Pierre was baptized on 12 March 1783 in Steinheim; the godparents were Peter Kayser of Berdorf and Margaretha Feilen of Minden.[16]
  2. Johann was baptized on 9 February 1786 in Steinheim; the godparents were Johann Peters of Bollendorf and Maria Catharina Grupper of Steinheim.[17]

The family was now made up of one daughter and two sons. Their oldest child, daughter Elisabeth died on 11 May 1787.[18] It was about this time the family name spelling changed from CLEMENT to CLEMEN likely due to a change in the person who was in charge of making entries in the parish records (clearly seen in the change in handwriting).

  1. Hubert was baptized on 8 July 1788 in Steinheim; the godparents were Hubert Helfen of Kirsch and Anna Maria Goeden of Steinheim.[19]
  2. Anna was baptized on 20 February 1792 in Steinheim; the godparents were Christian Schneider of Minden and Anna Maria Grupper of Steinheim.[20] She lived only two days.[21]
  3. Elisabetha was baptized on 30 October 1796 in Steinheim; the godparents were Johann Feilen of Minden and Elisabeth Wagner of Steinheim.[22]

The youngest of Susanna and Joannes’ children was my children’s 4th great-grandmother.

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Joannes CLEMENS
Parents: Daniel CLEMENS and Elisabetha
Name of spouse:
 Susanna WEBER
Parents of spouse: Matthias WEBER and Anna Margaretha FEILEN
Whereabouts: Steinheim, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: children’s 5th great-grandfather

1. Joannes CLEMENS and Susanna WEBER
2. Elisabetha CLEMENS
3. Catharina SCHERFF
4. Margaretha GORGES
5. Catharina “Catherine” “Ketty” “Ged” SCHWARTZ
6. Marcel Mathias MEDER
7. Cathy’s husband
8. Cathy’s children

The children begin to marry

The first of Susanna and Joannes’ children to marry was Pierre who married Marguerite KOENIG on 9 January 1809 in Rosport.[23] Pierre’s brother Johann must have met Marguerite’s sister following their marriage as Johann married Anna Maria KOENIG six years later, on 17 January 1815 in Rosport.[24]

By 1815 four of the eight children born to Susanna were deceased and two were married leaving only Hubert (27) and Elisabetha (19) at home. The family surname was now spelled CLEMENS in most records. Ten years later Susanna WEBER died on 4 March 1725 in Steinheim at the age of 75.[25] She left her husband Joannes (75), son Hubert (37), and daughter Elisabetha (28).

Nearly two years later Elisabetha at the age of 30 married the 34 years old Michel SCHERFF (1792-1865) on 12 February 1827 in Born.[26] Elisabetha and Michel’s story can be read here.

Joannes CLEMENS died on 25 September 1827 in Steinheim at the age of 77.[8] Three of his children were married. It is not known what became of his fourth child, Hubert who was not located in the marriage or death records of the commune of Rosport. Did he go off to work in another village or town in Luxembourg; in France, Germany, or Belgium; or did he emigrate to one of the Americas? Or do I really need to go back and check the parish records for deaths from the time of his birth in 1788 until 1797 (end of available church records online)?

Joannes and Susanna’s sons Pierre and Johann did not live to the ripe age of their parents. They died only a few years after their father, Pierre on 27 February 1830[27] at the age of 46 and Johann on 6 March 1831[28] at the age of 45.

The only known living child of Susanna and Joannes was their youngest, Elisabeth. She outlived her siblings by forty years, dying on 17 June 1870 at the age of 73.[29] She did not live quite as long as her parents but came close to their 75 and 77 years.

This post brings me halfway through my children’s paternal 5th great-grandparents.

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Sources:
[1] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Echternach > Baptêmes 1638-1676, 1706-1760 > image 245 of 291. 1750 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32401-1757-49?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-SP1:1500937901,1500973966 : accessed 13 August 2015).
[2] Ibid., Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778 > image 100 of 293. 1748 Religious Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32399-12628-34?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM:1500937901,1501028848 : accessed 13 August 2015).
[3] Ibid., Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778 > image 92 of 293. 1745 Marriage Record (left page, 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L971-1X3T?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM%3A1500937901%2C1501028848 : 9 January 2015).
[4] Bodo Bölkow and Richard Schaffner, Familienbuch 2 der Pfarrei St. Lambertus Edingen an der Sauer Daten bis 1798 aus den Kirchenbüchern der Pfarrei Echternach (damals für Minden und Menningen zuständig) mit Edingerberg, Minden u. Menningen 1680-1899 Edingen selbst ab 1705 (2000), page 196, family nr. 822. Roths-Feilen family group.
[5] Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778 > image 234 of 293. 1748 Death Record (left page, 8th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-169B?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM%3A1500937901%2C1501028848 : 9 January 2015).
[6] Bölkow and Schaffner, FB Edingen, page 196, family nr. 822. Roths-Feilen family group.
[7] Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778  > image 160 of 293. 1771 Marriage Record (right page, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L971-16P2?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM%3A1500937901%2C1501028848 : 9 January 2015).
[8] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 1110 of 1410. 1827 Death Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11613-14127-96?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L6L:n1038283664 : accessed 5 Apr 2010).
[9] Luxembourg Church Records, Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778  > image 282 of 293. 1777 Death Record (left page, 3rd entry from bottom).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L971-1XGK?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM%3A1500937901%2C1501028848 : 9 January 2015).
[10] Ibid., Echternach > Mariages, décès 1706-1778 > image 283 of 293. 1778 Death Record (left page, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9971-1XGM?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PYM%3A1500937901%2C1501028848 : 9 January 2015).
[11] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 65 of 131. 1773 Baptismal Record ( left page, 8th entry).  (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-1X7D?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : 9 January 2015).
[12] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes 1761-1797 > image 76 of 131. 1775 Baptismal Record (left page, 8th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-1XQL?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-PY3%3A1500937901%2C1501065634 : 9 January 2015).
[13] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1787 > image 45 of 319. 1780 Baptismal Record (left page). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-9HGX?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-FM4%3A1500937901%2C1501004260 : 9 January 2015).
[14] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1783 > image 104 of 177. 1781 Death Record (right page, 8th entry). “Luxembourg registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948,” images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MD5X?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-YWT%3A1500937901%2C1500939202 : 9 January 2015).
[15] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1783 > image 139 of 177. 1782 Death Record (left page, 7th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MDR3?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-YWT%3A1500937901%2C1500939202 : 9 January 2015).
[16] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1787 > image 149 of 319. 1783 Baptismal Record (right page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-94RR?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-FM4%3A1500937901%2C1501004260 : 9 January 2015).
[17] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1787 > image 260 of 319. 1786 Baptismal Record (right page, top).  (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-942J?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-FM4%3A1500937901%2C1501004260 : 9 January 2015).
[18] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1779-1787 > image 317 of 319. 1787 Death Record (left page, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-94GG?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-FM4%3A1500937901%2C1501004260 : 9 January 2015).
[19] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1788-1797 > image 12 of 331. 1788 Baptismal Record (right page, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-94RR?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-4W5%3A1500937901%2C1500937902 : 9 January 2015).
[20] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1788-1797 > image 131 of 331. 1792 Baptismal Record (left page, first entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-9CH5?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-4W5%3A1500937901%2C1500937902 : 9 January 2015).
[21] Ibid., Echternach > Baptêmes, mariages, décès 1788-1797 > image 145 of 331. 1792 Death Record (left page, 7th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-9C8Q?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-4W5%3A1500937901%2C1500937902 : 9 January 2015).
[22] Luxembourg Civil Records, Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 936 of 1446. 1796 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-69388-66?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL:129623201,130776701 : accessed 10 August 2015).
[23] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 110 of 1410. 1809 Marriage Record No. 1 (part 1). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11613-16270-46?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-3TL:130314401,130555301 : accessed 13 August 2015).
[24] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 146 of 1410. 1815 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11613-8390-85?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-3TL:130314401,130555301 : accessed 13 August 2015).
[25] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 1085 of 1410. 1825 Death Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11613-8498-12?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L6L:n1038283664 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[26] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 1061 of 1393. 1827 Marriage Record No. 2.  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-134204-2?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 7 Apr 2010).
[27] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 1134 of 1410. 1830 Death Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DY34-JJ?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-3TL%3A130314401%2C130555301 : accessed  14 April 2017).
[28] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 1143 of 1410. 1831 Death Record No. 8. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DY36-8J?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-3TL%3A130314401%2C130555301 : accessed 14 April 2017).
[29] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1393 of 1480. 1870 Death Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-16490-66?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 9 August 2015).

© 2017, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

52 Ancestors: #14 SCHERFF-STEIMETZ Family of Born, Luxembourg

After five weeks of posts on five sets my children’s 5th great-grandparents who lived in what is now Germany, this week’s couple takes me back to research in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. [What can I say, I love Luxembourg research!]

However, before we go to Luxembourg, I’d like to share a little bit about the ancestry of the male actor in this week’s post. Joannes SCHERFF was born in Waldrach, Trier-Saarburg, Rhineland, Germany, abt. 1754 to Nicolaus and Helena SCHERFF. Period.

This was all I knew when I started this post. Now, having access to the German family books at my genealogy society’s library, I was able to add several generations to Joannes’ pedigree. His parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and four of his great-great-grandparents were born, lived, and/or died in Waldrach. They have names. They have dates of birth, marriage, and death. They have descendants. Missing, however, are the records to back all of this up. For now, they are placeholders in the family tree, waiting to be researched.[1], [2]

Joannes SCHERFF of Waldrach in Germany

Joannes SCHERFF, the son of Nicolaus SCHERFF and Helena OTTO, was born on 20 September 1754 in Waldrach.[1], [2]

I learned from the family books that Joannes’ mother Helena first married in 1743, at the age of 33, to Nikolaus SCHUH who was only 25. She gave him two children. A son Matthias was born in 1744 and a daughter Margaretha was born in 1745, four months after Nikolaus SCHUH died. A year after her first husband’s death, Helena married Nicolaus SCHERFF. Helena was 36 and Nicolaus was 22. [Note to self: What was going on in the Kingdom of Prussia or in Waldrach that made it necessary for a woman to marry, both times, a man much younger than she was?]

Helena’s son Matthias from her first marriage may have died before age four as she and her second husband named their first child Matthias in 1748. It is unknown if Helena had any other children before Joannes was born six years later. Helena died in 1755 when her youngest son Joannes was only 14 months old. Her widower Nicolaus married again in 1757 to Katharina OTTO, Helena’s first cousin once removed.

Joannes’ father Nicolaus SCHERFF died between 1764 when his last known child was born and 1791 when his son Joannes married.

Anna Maria STEIMETZ of Born in Luxembourg

Anna Maria STEIMETZ, daughter of Dominique STEIMETZ (1737-1799) and Magdalena “Helena” KOCH (1739-aft.1799), was born and baptized on 25 May 1763 in the village of Born in the Duchy of Luxembourg. Her godparents were Anna Maria BERSCHENS and Petro WERNER. On her baptismal record, her name was given as Anna Maria. Later, in other records produced during her lifetime her name seen as Maria without Anna.[3]

1763 Baptismal Record of Anna Maria STEIMETZ [3]

The Connection Between Waldrach and Born

We have two people, a young man from Waldrach and a young woman from Born. How they came to meet is unknown. The straight distance between Waldrach, to the east of Trier, and Born which lies to the west of Trier is about 17 km. A short distance in today’s world.

If you zoom out enough on the above map to compare with the one below, you will see that Waldrach belonged to the area of Germany which was not part of Luxembourg during the time period.

By Spanish_Inquisition (LuxembourgPartitionsMap_english.jpg), via Wikimedia Commons

Joannes and Maria Marry in Born

1791 Marriage Record of Joannes SCHERFF and Maria STEIMETZ [4]
Joannes married Maria on Thursday, 5 May 1791 in Born. At the time of their marriage, Joannes’ parents were both deceased. Joannes and Maria signed with a +, Maria’s father Dominique signed with a D, and Joannes’ brother “Niclas SCHERFF” left an F as his mark on the marriage record. The witness Paulus SCHÖLER and the pastor signed the record as they were the only persons able to write. [4]

On the marriage index card an obvious transcription error was made, given her first name as Margaretha.[5]

1791 Marriage Index Card for the SCHERFF-STEIMETZ marriage [5]
Joannes and Maria had four children during their first eight years of marriage.

1792 Baptismal Record for Michel SCHERFF [6]
Michel SCHERFF was born on 2 July 1792 in Born at two in the morning and was baptized seven hours later. His godparents were Michael BRAUN of Givenich and Catharina STEIMETZ, his maternal aunt from Born. Michel was my children’s 4th great-grandfather.[6]

1794 Baptismal Record for Nicolaus SCHERFF [7]
Nicolaus SCHERFF was born on 6 December 1794 in Born at three in the morning and baptized in the afternoon. His godfather came from Waldrach and was his paternal uncle Niclas SCHERFF, half-brother of his father who had also been a witness at the 1791 marriage. His godmother was his maternal grandmother Helena STEIMETZ. Helena would normally have been seen with her maiden name KOCH however in this case she was named with her husband’s surname. Nicolaus was the last child baptized in the year 1794. Directly below his entry, we see the pastor has likely transcribed births for the year to the parish register after the fact and makes note that this is a conformed copy.[7]

1797 Baptismal Record of Anna SCHERFF [8]
Anna SCHERFF was born on 18 September 1797 in Born at three in the morning and was baptized the same afternoon. Her godparents were her paternal uncle Peter SCHERFF from Waldrach and Anna TRIERWEILER from Born.[8] Peter was not a name found in the family books for Waldrach. Is there an error on Anna’s baptismal record? Was Peter a full sibling or only half-sibling of the father of the child?

1799 Civil Birth Record of Dominique SCHERFF [9]
Dominique SCHERFF was born on 15 Thermidor in the 8th year of the Republic or 6 December 1799 in Born. His birth was recorded in the civil register by the acting mayor of Born, Michel KINN who lived in Girst where the register entry was made. The child’s father, in the record written in French, was listed as Jean SCHERFF. He was an ouvrier de la commune de Born meaning he was likely working for the town in some capacity.[9]

This last child was very likely named after his maternal grandfather Dominique STEIMETZ who died earlier in the year, on 9 April 1799 at his own home. He was in his sixties. His death was reported by his widow Helena KOCH.[10]

Six years after the loss of her father, Maria was widowed and left with four children between the ages of six and twelve. Her husband Joannes SCHERFF died on 20 January 1805 in Born. He was fifty-one years old.[11]

It is not known how long Maria may have had the support of her mother Helena as no death record has been found for her. Helena was the mother of eleven children: seven died young, one son has not been traced, a son married and went to live in Dahnen (Germany), leaving Maria and her sister Catharina who has not been traced after the birth of an illegitimate child in 1796.

On 2 October 1818 Maria’s daughter Anna died at the age of twenty-one. Her death was reported by two of their neighbors.[12] Census records are only available online from 1843 making it difficult to determine where her two older brothers were and why they didn’t report her death. It is possible they were working away from home. No trace of Nicolaus, the younger of the two, who would have been 24 by this time, has been found. No marriage record. No death record.

Michel, the oldest son, married Elisabetha CLEMENS (1796-1870), daughter of Joannes “Jean” CLEMENS and Suzanna “Susanne” WEBER, on 12 February 1827 in Born.[13] Michel (34) and Elisabetha (30) were my children’s 4th great-grandparents and were featured in my post 52 Ancestors: #33 SCHERFF-CLEMENS, A Family Dependent on Each Other.

Maria STEIMETZ died on 12 January 1833 in Born at the age of sixty-nine.[14] She lived long enough to see her first grandchild Johann celebrate his fourth birthday, having been born on 8 April 1828.[15] She must have known her daughter-in-law Elisabetha was pregnant with her second child who would be born on 24 June 1833[16], a son Peter. Later census records indicate Michel and Elisabetha lived in the STEIMETZ family home, a home which would remain in the family for several generations.

Michel and Elisabetha had a third and last child, Catharina SCHERFF (1836-1908) born on 25 October 1836 in Born.[17]

The youngest child of Joannes and Maria SCHERFF-STEIMETZ, Dominique married Anne WEISEN (1804-1885), daughter of Michael WEISEN, on 13 January 1846 in Mompach.[18] They were both in their forties when they married. The marriage lasted only a little over five years as Dominique died on 12 August 1851 in Born.[19]

The oldest son, and only known living child at the time, Michel SCHERFF died on 2 January 1865 in Born at the age of 72.[20] His widow Elisabetha CLEMENS died five years later on 17 June 1870 in Born.[21]

Dominique’s widow Anne outlived him by 34 years dying on 11 November 1885 in Born.[22] As they did not have any children, her only survivors on her husband’s side of the family were the three children of her brother-in-law Michel SCHERFF.

Pushing Back Another Generation

Not only did I look into Joannes SCHERFF’s ancestry, as seen in the beginning of this post, but also into Maria STEIMETZ’s. Hers was not as simple. I had the years of birth for all of her siblings as well as the links to their baptismal records but needed to download the documents, add the information, and cite the sources.

While doing this I noticed an annotation in the margin of the baptismal record of the youngest child Henricus born to Dominique STEIMETZ and Magdalena KOCH. It read, Submersus Surlippe Mesenich. At first, I could not read the first two words but I knew Mesenich was a location. Submersus means drowned. This annotation may mean Henricus died by drowning possibly in the Sauer River in Mesenich, today a part of Langsur.

I have a few digital copies of German family books and Mesenich is one of them. I checked for Steimetz in the book as I thought I might find information on the child named Henri/Heinrich. What I found was an entry for his parents: Dominic STEINMETZ of Born and Helena KOCH of Mertert married on 4 March 1759 in Mesenich.[23] There is no further information concerning their children. However, now knowing where they were from, at the time of their marriage, may help to push back yet another generation.

While I was at home finishing up this post, my husband went on a 100 km bike ride through the Luxembourg and German countryside and came back with this photograph.

Yes, he listens when I ask about places (even when I really mess up the pronounciation) and surprises me with new photo content for my blog.

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Sources:
[1] Armin Giebel, compiler, Familienbuch Standesamt Ruwer-Waldrach, (Stand: Sept. 2016), page 3036, family nr. 15422. Scherff-Otto family group.
[2] Leo Schuh, Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrei Sankt Laurentius in Waldrach mit Kasel 1681 bis1899 (2002), page 436-437, family nr. 2214. Scherff-Otto family group.
[3] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Born > Baptêmes 1761-1797, mariages 1761-1797, sépultures 1762-1797 > image 7 of 88. 1763 Baptismal Record part 1. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32399-4460-51?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 12 August 2015) and image 8 of 88. 1763 Baptismal Record part 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32399-4285-31?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 12 August 2015).
[4] Ibid., Born > Baptêmes 1761-1797, mariages 1761-1797, sépultures 1762-1797 > image 65 of 88. 1791 Religious Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32399-3792-9?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 12 August 2015).
[5] Ibid., Born > Tables des mariages 1764-1800 (index organisée par l’époux) > image 31 of 46. 1791 Scherff-Steimetz marriage card. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32462-25635-70?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-TQ9:1500965969,1501369362 : accessed 12 August 2015).
[6] Ibid., Born > Baptêmes 1761-1797, mariages 1761-1797, sépultures 1762-1797 > image 44 of 88. 1792 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32399-4066-61?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 10 August 2015).
[7] Ibid., Born > Baptêmes 1761-1797, mariages 1761-1797, sépultures 1762-1797 > image 48 of 88. 1794 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32399-4183-49?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 16 August 2015).
[8] Ibid., Born > Baptêmes 1761-1797, mariages 1761-1797, sépultures 1762-1797 > image 51 of 88. 1797 Baptismal Record, part 1 (right page, bottom) (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32399-3883-9?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 12 August 2015) and image 52 of 88. 1797 Baptismal Record, part 2 (left page, top)  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32399-3761-17?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 12 August 2015).
[9] Ibid., Born > Naissances 1796-1802, mariages 1797-1800, décès 1796-1802 > image 51 of 59. 1799 Birth Record (left page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32399-4707-30?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJ7:1500965969,1501017588 : accessed 12 August 2015).
[10] Ibid., Born > Naissances 1796-1802, mariages 1797-1800, décès 1796-1802 > image 44 of 59. 1799 Death Record ((20 Germinal An 7), part 1(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9971-176D?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJ7%3A1500965969%2C1501017588 : 9 January 2015) and image 45 of 59. 1799 Death Record ((20 Germinal An 7), part 2. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8971-17ZM?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJ7%3A1500965969%2C1501017588 : 9 January 2015).
[11] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 713 of 1393. 1805 Death Record part 1 (lower right hand corner). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-131175-10?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 12 Apr 2013) and image 714 of 1393. 1805 Death Record part 2 (upper right hand corner). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-130091-27?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 12 Apr 2013).
[12] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 865 of 1480. 1818 Death Record (left page, top). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-17833-63?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 13 August 2015).
[13] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 1061 of 1393. 1827 Marriage Record No. 2.  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-134204-2?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 7 Apr 2010).
[14] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1116 of 1480. 1833 Death Record No. 1. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-14665-65?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L4B:1262051718 : accessed 12 Apr 2013).
[15] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 510 of 1480. 1858 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-22567-77?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 10 August 2015). Note: The date of birth was found on the tables décennales however the birth record has not been located.
[16] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1799-1834 > image 267 of 272. 1833 Birth Record No. 20. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12332-98522-18?cc=1709358&wc=9RYQ-ZNP:130097801,130378501 : accessed 27 April 2015).
[17] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 33 of 1393. 1836 Birth Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-131830-98?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 21 Nov 2014).
[18] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 442 of 1480. 1846 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-20696-75?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 27 April 2015).
[19] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1241 of 1480. 1851 Death Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQP-3G?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL%3A130097801%2C130138901 : 17 July 2014).
[20] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1339 of 1480. 1865 Death Record No. 1. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-13264-86?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L4B:1262051718 : accessed 05 Apr 2013).
[21] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1393 of 1480. 1870 Death Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-16490-66?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[22] Ibid., Mompach > Décès 1880-1891 > image 48 of 90. 1885 Death Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBBQ-LDP?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-DPF%3A130097801%2C130097802 : 17 July 2014).
[23] Heinrich Wagner, Familienburch Mesenich 1705-1899 (Ortschaften Födlich (1705-ca.1800), Grewenich, Mesenich, Metzdorf und Moersdorf (Luxembourg) (1705-1807)), Mersch 1997 (Association Luxembourgeoise de Généalogie et d’Héraldique), p. 302, family nr. 1104. Entry for Dominic Steinmetz of Born and Helena Koch from Mertert.

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52 Ancestors: #33 SCHERFF-CLEMENS, A Family Dependent on Each Other

Week 33 (August 13-19) – Defective, Dependent, & Delinquent: In 1880, there was a special census schedule for “Defective, Dependent, and Delinquent Classes” — the blind, deaf, paupers, homeless children, prisoners, insane, and idiotic. Do you have someone in your family tree who would have been classified as such? (To learn more about the special 1880 schedule, see my post, “Do You Have a Defective Ancestor?“)

A Researcher’s Wish List

As soon as I read Amy’s post, Do You Have a Defective Ancestor? I knew wanted to search for two of my 4th great-grand uncles, John G. “Jehu” (deaf & dumb) and Jubal (idiot) SUMNER. Although I have my own little trick to access FREE census records these schedules are only available on Ancestry.com with a subscription. The Research Manager in my genealogy program is going to come in handy when I decide to subscribe again. In the meantime….

Imagine what your research would be like if the census had been taken every 3 or so years instead of once a decade. What would you wish for on the census to make your research easier? Maiden names? Birthdates? The name of the town instead of the state for the birthplace? Religious affiliation? The whereabouts of a missing household member? Signature of the head of household? Wish no more if you are one of the lucky ones to have ancestors in Luxembourg. Thanks to FamilySearch these census records are FREE although browse only.

House Name (Maison dite)

Along with the above research helpers the Luxembourg census also included the house name (maison dite). In Luxembourg the homes of long established families were known by their surname or their occupation. The SCHERFF-CLEMENS family lived in a house called Steimetz or Steimes in 1855, 1858, 1861, 1864, 1867, 1875, and 1880. [see census discussion below] Steimetz is an occupation, i.e. stone mason, and a surname. In later years, on the census, the street where the family lived, Duerfstrooss, was listed instead of the house name. I’m certain the SCHERFF-CLEMENS family was living in the ancestral home of the paternal grandmother’s family since she was a STEIMETZ.

The Father

Michel SCHERFF (1792-1865) was born and baptized on 2 July 1792 in Born. His parents were Joannes SCHERFF (1754-1805) and Maria STEIMETZ (1763-1833).[1]

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1792 Baptismal Record for Joannes Scherff [1]
Michel’s godparents were Michael BRAUN from Givenich and Catharina STEIMETZ, his mother’s sister, from Born. His father Joannes and his godmother Catharina signed the baptismal record with a mark (Hand X zeichen) while his godfather Michael BRAUN had a very strong signature. (above)

Michel, the oldest of four known children, was only 12 1/2 years old when his father Joannes SCHERFF died on 20 January 1805 in Born. (see next image for 2nd part)

The Mother

Elisabetha CLEMENS (1796-1870) was born and baptized on 30 October 1796 in Steinheim. She was the daughter of Suzanna “Susanne” WEBER (1750-1825) and Joannes “Jean” CLEMENS (1750-1827).[2], [3][4] An extract of her baptismal record was obtained as evidence of her birth when she married in 1827.

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1827 Extract of 1796 Baptimal Record of Elisabetha Clemens (part 1)[2]
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1827 Extract of 1796 Baptimal Record of Elisabetha Clemens (part 2)[3]
This extract of the baptismal record led me to the original church record.[4] (below)

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Original 1796 Baptismal Record for Elisabetha Clemens [4]
Her godparents were Joannes FEYLEN of Minheim (today known as Minden in Germany) and Elisabetha WAGENER of Steinheim. It’s important to pay attention to the godparents. The mother Susanne was from Minden and I wondered if Joannes FEYLEN could be a relative. I hadn’t researched Susanne’s parentage. Sometimes you have to go with the flow and check out these things. I won’t go into how I pulled this ancestor out of the hat but it turns out Susanne’s mother was a FEILEN per her 10 January 1750 baptismal record (right page, 2nd entry under 1750). The relationship to Joannes FEYLEN will have to wait for later.

Elisabetha’s mother Susanne WEBER died 4 March 1825 in Steinheim at the age of 65 years.[5] Her father Jean CLEMENS died 25 September 1827 in Steinheim also at the age of 65 years.[6] His birth/baptismal record has not been located to confirm his age at time of death.

The Marriage

Michel SCHERFF married Elisabetha CLEMENS on 12 February 1827 in Born.[7] Michel was 33 and Elisabetha was 30 years old. Michel’s mother Maria STEIMETZ and Elisabeth’s father Joannes CLEMENS were present and consented to the marriage. The bride and the mother of the groom were unable to right and made their mark (Hand X zeichen). The four witnesses were all from Born and possibly distantly related to the groom. The handwriting on the marriage record is faint and difficult to read. As the marriage took place in Born the bride Elisabetha, who was from Steinheim, had to produce a record of her birth and her mother’s death. These extracts were found at the end of the marriage records for 1827. The supporting documentation helped decipher the faint handwriting on the marriage record.

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Signatures of the groom, father of the bride, four witnesses, civil servant, and the marks of the bride and mother of the groom.[7]

The Children

As seen in the marriage record Michel and Elisabetha were not a young couple when they married. Their first child was born 14 months after the marriage, the second followed 5 years later, and their third and last 16 months later. Elisabetha was 5 days short of her 40th birthday when she gave birth to her last child and only daughter Catharina.

  1. Johann SCHERFF born 8 Apr 1828 in Born.[8] He married Margaretha GOTTONG (1830-1903) on 27 Jan 1858 in Mompach.[9] Johann died 7 Dec 1901 in Born.[10]
  2. Peter SCHERFF born 24 Jun 1833 in Born.[11] He married Catharina WEYLAND (1839-1912) on 5 Feb 1862 in Mompach.[12] Peter died 18 Mar 1912 in Born.[13]
  3. Catharina SCHERFF born 25 Oct 1836 in Born.[14] She married Johann GORGES (1838-1913) on 14 Jan 1868 in Mompach.[15] Catharina died 2 Nov 1908 in Born.[16]

The Census

On 22 December 1843 the SCHERFF-CLEMENS family was enumerated in Born. The surname was spelled Schärff instead of Scherff. The birthdates are not all exact matches. Michel was working as a garde champêtre or rural guard (forest ranger, game warden). The children were all living at home and between the ages of 15 and 7.[17]

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1843 Luxembourg Census

On 3 December 1846 the birthdates were once again included. The surname was spelled correctly. Michel was now working as a day laborer, Elisabetha was taking care of the household and three children.[18]

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1846 Luxembourg Census

On 31 Dec 1847 the SCHERFF-CLEMENS household remained unchanged. The census form was in German and French and included a column with the length of time a person had been living in the community. Michel and the children had been living there since birth. Elisabetha had been living in Born for 20 years, since her marriage in 1827. Michel’s occupation was once again garde champêtre.[19]

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1847 Luxembourg Census

In Dec 1849 the person who enumerated the census added the German translation of the headers for columns 2, 3, and 4. The SCHERFF-CLEMENS household remained the same. Michel’s occupation is illegible to me while the sons worked as day laborers. His wife Elisabetha and their daughter Catharina did not work outside of the home.[20]

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1849 Luxembourg Census

On 31 Dec 1851 when the census was taken the information requested was the same as in 1847 – including the length of residence. As on all the census forms, for the place of birth the town was listed and if a person was a foreigner his country of origin was to be included. Although the sons were 24 and 18 they were still living at home and listed as not working. Michel was now the town crier/messenger (Gemeindebote).[21]

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1851 Luxembourg Census

The census taken on 4 Dec 1852 gives very little information compared to the previous census. Missing in the SCHERFF-CLEMENS household is the younger son Peter. I cannot decipher Michel’s occupation but believe it may be another term (perhaps French) for Gemeindebote.[22]

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1852 Luxembourg Census

On 3 Dec 1855 the SCHERFF-CLEMENS family is seen living in a house called Steimetz. Son Peter is back home. Michel is seen as a day laborer and most likely his sons are working with him. This census was signed Michel Scherff. Why is his signature on the census sheet? I had a look at several households before and after this one and came to this conclusion: Michel SCHERFF was the enumerator![23]

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1855 Luxembourg Census

On 3 Dec 1858 the SCHERFF-CLEMENS family, living in a house called Steimetz, had a new member in the family. Their oldest son Jean married Margaretha GOTTONG in January of the same year and the newlyweds were living with his parents and siblings. Michel’s occupation is the same as it was in 1852 but I still cannot decipher the word. The enumerator for the census was once again Michel SCHERFF and his son Jean SCHERFF signed instead of the head of household.[24]

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1858 Luxembourg Census

On 3 Dec 1861 the home of the SCHERFF-CLEMENS family was still known as Steimetz. Michel was 70 years and 2 months and still working as the town crier, his wife Elisabetha was 68 years and 6 months, his son Peter was 27 years and 6 months and worked as a stone mason (Steinmetzer), and their daughter Catharina was 25 years and 3 months and did not work.[25] Their son Jean, his wife, and their second son (their first died at 7 weeks) had moved out of the family home however the census page found for them indicated they also lived in the house named Steinmetz.[26] Jean SCHERFF was the enumerator of the 1861 census for Born, his father signed this page and the page found for Jean was signed by his wife Margaretha GOTTONG.

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1861 Luxembourg Census

The census taken on 3 Dec 1864 shows two families living in the Steimens house. Michel, Elisabetha, Catharina and her illegitimate son Jean are one family. Son Jean, his wife Margaretha, and their daughter Catharina are the second family.[27] Son Peter was also married with two children. His home was called beim Steimens Pit, meaning “at Peter Steimens’ ” or “at Peter Steimetz’s.”[28] Not only were houses known by the name of a family or their ocupation, a person could also be known by the name of his house or his occupation. So Peter SCHERFF, the grandson of Maria STEIMETZ, was known by his father’s mother’s maiden name Steimetz OR by his occupation which was Steinhauer on the 1864 census or Steinmetz.

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1864 Luxembourg Census

On 2 January 1865, a month after the above census sheet was filled out, Michel died in his home at 0ne o’clock in the morning.[29]

On 3 December 1867 his widow Elisabetha CLEMENS was living in the Steimetz house. She was 75 years old and working as a day laborer. With her in the household were her grandson Jean and her daughter Catharina. Elisabetha, seen as Elise, could not write and her son Jean SCHERFF signed for her.[30]

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1867 Luxembourg Census

The 1867 census was the last before Elisabetha’s death on 17 June 1870 in Born.[31]

Her oldest son Jean and her daughter Catharina continued to be enumerated in the house called Steimetz in 1875[32][33] and 1880[34], [35]. They were listed separately which may indicate the homeplace was large enough for two families to live as two households.

Dependent

What did I learn from this census study? Michel and Elisabetha and their three children Johann, Peter, and Catharina had to be a close-knit family. They lived together in the Steimetz family home even after the children married and started their own families. They depended on each other. Although I haven’t seen the pre-1843 census records, I can imagine Michel’s mother Maria STEIMETZ must have lived with them, or they with her, in the Steimetz home until her death in 1833.

It is my firm belief the Steimetz family home was a multigenerational home for the STEIMETZ and later the SCHERFF families. The family’s welfare was dependent on each member of the family. When Maria was still living she most likely helped care for her grandchildren while her son and daughter-in-law cared for her. This dependence on  family members continued as the next generation joined the family.

The Grandchildren

The three children of Michel and Elisabetha gave them 23 grandchildren – all born in the little village named Born. Michel lived to see the first six although two pre-deceased him. Elisabetha lived to see the first eleven, nine were living when she died.

G.Ch 1: Peter SCHERFF (Johann) born 9 Apr 1859 in Born and died 27 May 1859 in Born.
G.Ch 2: Peter SCHERFF (Johann) born 2 Sep 1860 in Born and died 19 Jan 1863 in Born.
G.Ch 3: Johann (the elder) GORGES (Catharina) born 30 Jan 1862 in Born. He married Barbara BECHTHOLD (1864- ) before 1885.
G.Ch 4: Jacob SCHERFF (Peter) born 24 Dec 1862 in Born and died 14 Nov 1941 in Dudelange. He married Anne LANG (1857-1924) on 5 Feb 1887 in Dudelange.
G.Ch 5: Catharina SCHERFF (Peter) born 26 Feb 1864 in Born.
G.Ch 6: Catharina SCHERFF (Johann) born 13 May 1864 in Born and died 4 Jul 1898 in Born.
G.Ch 7: Dorothea SCHERFF (Peter) born 6 May 1866 in Born and died 17 Jun 1932 in Beaufort.
G.Ch 8: Peter SCHERFF (Johann) born 22 Jul 1866 in Born and died 19 Jul 1875 in Born.
G.Ch 9: Margaretha GORGES (Catharina) born 27 Jul 1868 in Born and 23 Oct 1938 in Osaweiler. She married Johannes “Johann” “Jean” SCHWARTZ (1866-1920) on 24 Aug 1891 in Rosport.
G.Ch 10: Johann SCHERFF (Peter) born 18 Mar 1870 in Born and died 15 Sep 1921 in Born. He married Anna BIERCHEN (1880-1965) on 21 May 1902 Mompach.
G.Ch 11: Maria GORGES (Catharina) born 4 Jun 1870 in Born and 30 Jun 1921 in Born. She married Mathias LEMMER (1878- ) on 30 Dec 1906 in Mompach.
G.Ch 12: Elisabeth GORGES (Catharina) born 11 Oct 1871 in Born and died 6 Sep 1894 in Born.
G.Ch 13: Anna SCHERFF (Peter) born 26 Dec 1871 in Born.
G.Ch 14: Johann SCHERFF (Johann) born 4 Oct 1873 in Born. He married Anna-Elisabeth “Anna” BECHTHOLD (1872- ) on 16 Jan 1899 in Mompach.
G.Ch 15: Anna SCHERFF (Peter) born 25 Feb 1874 in Born
G.Ch 16: Peter GORGES (Catharina) born and died 16 Oct 1874 in Born.
G.Ch 17: Helena GORGES (Catharina) born 5 Jan 1876 in Born.
G.Ch 18: Michel SCHERFF (Peter) born 14 Jul 1877 in Born.
G.Ch 19: Peter GORGES (Catharina) born 16 Apr 1878 in Born and died 25 May 1906 in Born.
G.Ch 20: Mathias GORGES (Catharina) born 9 Mar 1880 in Born.
G.Ch 21: Mathias SCHERFF (Peter) born 25 Apr 1880 in Born and died 7 Jul 1880 in Born.
G.Ch 22: Johann (the younger) GORGES (Catharina) born 24 Jun 1883 in Born.
G.Ch 23: Georges SCHERFF (Peter) born 16 Feb 1886 in Born.

Source citations with links to the birth, death and marriage records of the grandchildren may be requested per email or viewed in my gedcom file.

Defective, Dependent, & Delinquent

I hope you’ve enjoyed how I defected from the theme for it to work for the SCHERFF-CLEMENS family. A theme based on U.S. research records cannot be used when writing about European or other non-U.S. families. Was it a delinquency on my part to twist it around to work for this family who was dependent on each other?

 

 

 

Sources:
[1] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Born > Baptêmes 1761-1797, mariages 1761-1797, sépultures 1762-1797 > image 44 of 88. 1792 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32399-4066-61?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-MJQ:1500965969,1500965970 : accessed 10 August 2015).
[2] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 1082 of 1393. 1796 Baptismal Record (extract) part 1 (right page).  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-129477-92?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[3] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 1083 of 1393. 1796 Baptismal Record (extract) page 2 (left page). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-129723-23?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[4] Ibid., Echternach > Tables décennales 1823-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1797 Naissances 1796-1808 > image 936 of 1446. 1796 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11573-69388-66?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-3TL:129623201,130776701 : accessed 10 August 2015).
[5] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 1085 of 1410. 1825 Death Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11613-8498-12?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L6L:n1038283664 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[6] Ibid., Rosport > Naissances 1889-1890 Mariages 1797-1890 Décès 1797-1853 > image 1110 of 1410. 1827 Death Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11613-14127-96?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L6L:n1038283664 : accessed 5 Apr 2010).
[7] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 1061 of 1393. 1827 Marriage Record No. 2.  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-134204-2?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 7 Apr 2010).
[8] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 510 of 1480. 1858 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-22567-77?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 10 August 2015). Note: The date of birth was found on the tables décennales however the birth record has not been located.
[9] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 510 of 1480. 1858 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-22567-77?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 10 August 2015). Note: The bride’s maiden name was spelled Gottung.
[10 Ibid., Mompach > Décès 1895-1912 > image 48 of 143. 1901 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32063-14505-75?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-4WT:130097801,129657201 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[11] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1799-1834 > image 267 of 272. 1833 Birth Record No. 20. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12332-98522-18?cc=1709358&wc=9RYQ-ZNP:130097801,130378501 : accessed 27 April 2015).
[12] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 536 of 1480. 1862 Marriage Record No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-18912-63?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 10 August 2015).
[13] Ibid., Mompach > Décès 1895-1912 > image 137 of 143. 1912 Death Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32063-14169-91?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-4WT:130097801,129657201 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[14] Ibid., Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 33 of 1393. 1836 Birth Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-131830-98?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 21 Nov 2014).
[15] Ibid., Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 567 of 1480. 1868 Marriage Record No. 1. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-12362-9?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L4B:1262051718 : accessed 02 Apr 2013).
[16] Ibid., Mompach > Décès 1895-1912 > image 111 of 143. 1908 Death Record No. 24. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32063-14001-78?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-4WT:130097801,129657201 : accessed 27 Sep 2014).
[17] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1843 > image 25 of 149. Scherff-Clemens household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32357-12854-38?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-921:345859501,345863501 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[18] Ibid., Mompach > 1846 > image 26 of 158. Scherff-Clemens household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32355-4055-17?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-N3Y:345859501,345858602 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[19] Ibid., Mompach > 1847 > image 30 of 153. Scherff-Clemens household No. 29. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32368-15200-50?cc=2037957&wc=M5LY-ZJL:345859501,345864101 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[20] Ibid., Mompach > 1849 > image 13 of 161. Scherff-Clemens household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32358-23246-78?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-821:345859501,345864801 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[21] Ibid., Mompach > 1851 > image 26 of 163. Scherff-Clemens household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32378-32104-84?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-K66:345859501,345865601 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[22] Ibid., Mompach > 1852 > image 24 of 176. Scherff-Clemens household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32377-33464-25?cc=2037957&wc=M5L1-Y45:345859501,345865501 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[23] Ibid., Mompach > 1855 > image 8 of 166. Scherff-Clemens household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32378-12281-40?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-WQQ:345859501,345866501 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[24] Ibid., Mompach > 1858 > image 26 of 165. Scherff-Clemens household No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32379-16496-16?cc=2037957&wc=M5G9-92Y:345859501,345867601 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[25] Ibid., Mompach > 1861 > image 4 of 176. Scherff-Clemens household No. 3. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32377-2222-95?cc=2037957&wc=M5LB-DPT:345859501,345867101 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[26] Ibid., Mompach > 1861 > image 10 of 176. Scherff-Gotting household No. 7. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32377-2173-77?cc=2037957&wc=M5LB-DPT:345859501,345867101 : accessed 26 April 2015).
[27] Ibid., Mompach > 1864 > image 157 of 181. Scherff-Clemens household No. 35. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32371-5969-83?cc=2037957&wc=M5LY-Y4M:345859501,345868401 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[28] Ibid., Mompach > 1864 > image 143 of 181. Scherff-Weiland household No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32371-6250-28?cc=2037957&wc=M5LY-Y4M:345859501,345868401 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[29] Luxembourg Civil Records, Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1339 of 1480. 1865 Death Record No. 1. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-13264-86?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L4B:1262051718 : accessed 05 Apr 2013).
[30] Luxembourg Census, Mompach > 1867 > image 85 of 186. Elizabeth Clemens household no. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32383-28029-48?cc=2037957&wc=M5GQ-HZ4:345859501,345869101 : accessed 24 April 2015).
[31] Luxembourg Civil Records, Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1393 of 1480. 1870 Death Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-16490-66?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[32] Luxembourg Census, Mompach > 1875 > image 79 of 368. Scherff-Gotting household No. 35. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32382-8957-83?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-N3V:345859501,345870501 : accessed 26 April 2015).
[33] Ibid., Mompach > 1875 > image 59 of 368. Gorges-Scherff household no. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32382-9185-71?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-N3V:345859501,345870501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[34] Ibid., Mompach > 1880 > image 55 of 390. Scherff-Gotting household No. 24. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32391-17381-30?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-DP5:345859501,345872201 : accessed 9 August 2015).
[35] 19. Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), <i>FamilySearch</i> (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1880 > image 93 of 390. Gorges-Scherff household no. 43. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32391-17202-76?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-DP5:345859501,345872201 : accessed 22 April 2015).

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Michel SCHERFF
Parents: Joannes SCHERFF and Maria STEIMETZ
Spouse: Elisabetha CLEMENS
Parents of spouse: Joannes CLEMENS and Susanna WEBER
Whereabouts: Born, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: husband’s 3rd great-grandfather

1. Michel SCHERFF
2. Catharina SCHERFF
3. Margaretha GORGES
4. Catharina “Catherine” “Ketty” “Ged” SCHWARTZ
5. Marcel Mathias MEDER
6. Cathy’s husband

© 2015 copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

52ancestors-2015This is my weekly entry for Amy Johnson Crow’s challenge:
52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks – 2015 Edition. It was so successful in 2014 that genealogists wanted to continue or join in on the fun in 2015. Be sure to check out the other great posts by visiting Amy’s blog No Story Too Small where she’ll be posting the weekly recap on Thurdays and allowing all participants to leave a link to their post(s) in the comments.

52 Ancestors: #17 They Didn’t Take The Rags to Riches Journey?!

Week 17 (April 23-29) – Prosper. Which ancestor has a rags-to-riches story? Which ancestor prospered despite the odds?

When my husband’s great-grandmother Margaretha GORGES was 8 months old her parents Johann GORGES and Catharina SCHERFF planned to emigrate to North America with Marguerite and her older brother Johann. It was quite a surprise to me when I found this information in the work of Richard Schaffner who compiled the Family Book for the town of Fell in Germany where the GORGES side of the family came from. Schaffner wrote, “Familie mit den beiden Kindern laut Mergen, Kreis Trier, Seite 96 nach Nordamerika ausgewandert, Antrag vom 12.03.1869.” Translation: The family with both children according to Mergen, Kreis Trier (shortened form of the publication name by Mergen) p. 96 emigrated to North America, application from 12 March 1869.[1]

The labor market in America offered opportunities to earn money to feed the families, improve their positions in life, and maybe even to save for hard times. A promise of rags-to-riches.

A person’s native country is precious. Why would he want to emigrate with his family? How did they know what life would be like in the new country? Did they have relatives who preceded them?

Emigration at that time was a costly hardship. How could a single person who worked as a servant afford to pay for the passage which would amount to two years of earnings? How much would a family need?

The family’s intention to emigrate is documented in this entry from the office of Schweich (Landkreis Trier-Saarburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany)

Entry 642: Der Tagelöhner Johann Gorges, geb. 14.2.1838 zu Fell, gegenwärtig in Born, Lux., mit s. Frau Katharina Scherff, geb. 12.10.1836 zu Born in Luxemburg, und den Kindern Johann 30.1.1862 und Margaretha 28.7.1868 nach N. A. “dass er dort einen besseren Arbeitsverdienst zu finden hoffe”. 12.3.1869.[2]

Translation: The day laborer Johann Gorges, born 14 February 1838 in Fell, currently in Born, Lux., with his wife Katharina Scherff, born 12 October 1836 in Born in Luxembourg, and the children Johann b. 30 January 1862 and Margaretha b. 28 July 1868 to North America that he hoped to find better earnings there”. 12 March 1869

Two entries above this is another GORGES couple seeking permission to emigrate to North America six months earlier. Mathias Gorges, born 20 June 1842 in Fell, currently in Mertert, Lux., with his wife Barbara Achten, to North America “that he expected better earnings in America”. 23 September 1868.

Entry 640: Mathias Gorges, geb. 20.6.1842 zu Fell, gegenwärtig in Mertert, Lux., mit s. Frau Barbara Achten, nach N.A. “dass er in Amerika einen besseren Artbeitsverdienst erwarte”. 23.9.1868.[2]

Mathias was Johann’s younger brother according to Schaffner. How do I know these two men were brothers? Did they go to America? There is no mention in the Family Book of Fell that either of the GORGES brothers’ applications for emigration were withdrawn.

Did my husband’ great-grandmother travel to America when she was less than a year old? From my visit to the Red Star Line Museum in Antwerp, Belgium, I have a very good idea of what the emigrants went through to get to their port of departure where they were processed for their journey to their new homeland. What are the probabilities that either of the GORGES brothers went through these hardships to travel to North America?

Marguerite GORGES and her parents were living in Luxembourg when she married in 1891. When did they come back to Luxembourg? Did they ever leave? I followed both of the brothers and their families using the Luxembourg census and civil records and have come to the conclusion that they did not take the rags to riches journey.

The GORGES-SCHERFF Family

Town sign for Born in Luxembourg (24 April 2015). A special “thank you” to my husband who puts up with my asking him to stop to take photos while we are racing through the Luxembourg countryside on our bikes.

Catharina SCHERFF was born 25 October 1836 in Born, Mompach, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg. Yes, the name of the town where she was born is Born or Bur in Luxembourgish. Her parents were Michel SCHERFF (1792-1865) and his wife Elisabetha CLEMENS (1796-1870).[3]

On 30 January 1862 when Catharina was 25 years old she had a son Johann SCHERFF, born in Born. Michel SCHERFF, the child’s grandfather, was the informant and said the father was unknown.[4]

On 14 January 1868 Catharina SCHERFF, 30 years old and without an occupation, married Johann GORGES, a 29 years old servant (Knecht) in Mompach. Johann was a resident of Born, previously of Fell in Germany. Catharina’s father and Johann’s parents were deceased leaving only Catharina’s mother Elisabetha to give her consent to the marriage. Catharina’s illegitimate son Johann SCHERFF was given all the rights of a legitimate child through his mother’s marriage. Catharina’s only brothers Johann and Peter SCHERFF were witnesses to the marriage. All persons present, except for Elisabetha CLEMENS who could not write, signed the marriage record.[5]

Catharina’s husband Johann GORGES was born on 14 February 1838[1] and baptized on 15 February 1838[6] in Fell, Longuich, Trier, Preußen (Germany). His parents were Johann GORGES (1800-1860) and Anna Maria BOTZ (1808-1863).[1] He lived in Born and worked as a servant in 1864 and 1867 when the census was taken.

Six months after the marriage Catharina and Johann’s daughter Margaretha was born on 27 July 1868 in Born.[7]

As seen above Johann GORGES applied to emigrate on 12 March 1869. At the time the family of four was living in Born in Luxembourg. A little over a year later on 4 June 1870, Catharina gave birth to her second daughter Maria in Born.[8] Was this enough time for Johann and Catharina to make preparations for their departure, a journey to North America and then come back to Europe? I have my doubts.

A third daughter Elisabeth was born on 11 October 1871 in Born.[9] The family of six was seen for the first time on a census on 1 December 1871.[10], [11], [12]

Johann and Catharina’s next son, Peter, born on 16 October 1874 in Born lived only one hour.[13], [14] In 1875 when the census was taken Johann GORGES’ household was made up of 5 persons. The 13 years old son Johann was not with his parents [15], [16], [17] and was not seen with them again on the census listings from 1875-1900. As was often the case, he may have been learning a trade while living with another family.

When the census was taken in 1875 Catharina was 8 months pregnant with daughter Helena born 5 January 1876 in Born.[18] Two years later she gave birth to a son they named Peter on 16 April 1878 in Born.[19] Another son, Mathias, was born on 9 March 1880 in Born.[20]

When the census was taken in 1880 Johann GORGES was working as a quarryman on his own account to support his family which included his wife Catharina, and his children, Margaretha, Maria, Elisabeth, Helena, Peter and Mathias.[21], [22], [23]

On 24 June 1883, at the age of 46 years, Catharina gave birth to a son Johann in Born.[24] Their family was now complete – 21 years after the birth of her first son Johann.

What happened to the first son named Johann? He did not live with his parents from the age of 13 but he did visit them. Unfortunately, it was during one of these visits that a document was drawn up which tells a bit of his story. On 13 November 1885, Johann GORGES declared the death of his 7 months old grandson Mathias GORGES, son of Johann GORGES and his wife Barbara BECHTHOLD. The child died at the home of his grandfather. He was born in Ernz (Ernst), Germany, where his parents still resided.[25] This record shows that Catharina’s firstborn had married before 1885 and lived in Germany.

In 1887 when the census was taken Johann and Catharina had their children ages 3 to 18 living at home. Margaretha 18 and Maria 16 were working as day laborers; Elizabeth 15 did not work; Helena 10, Peter 8, and Mathias 7 were going to school leaving the youngest, 3 years old Jean (also seen as Johann), at home with his mother.[26], [27], [28]

1890
Back sheet of the 1890 Luxembourg census for the Gorges-Scherff family listing persons who were not living at home when the census was taken.[31]
The census taken on 1 December 1890 was very important in terms of the timeline of my husband’s great-grandmother Margaretha as it was the year before she married. The GORGES-SCHERFF household shows their three sons living at home and their four daughters working as maids (Dienstmädchen) and living in other places. Margaretha is in Osweiler where she met and married her husband Johann SCHWARTZ in 1891. Marie is in Herborn, Elisabeth is in Echternach, and Helena is in Mertert. I have not checked these towns to see which families they lived with.[29], [30], [31]

Before the time came for the 1895 census, Johann GORGES’ neighbor Heinrich THIEL went to Mompach to declare a death in the GORGES-SCHERFF family. The daughter Elisabeth died on 6 September 1894 at home in Born at the age of 23.[32]

I had some problems with the 1895 census. I nearly did not find it due to an issue I discovered on FamilySearch for the collection “Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900.” This collection is browse-only. While searching for the section of the census taken in Mompach for the town of Born, I saw names of towns not found in the area. Then I realized that the batch for Mompach and for Mondercange had been mixed up. FamilySearch was immediately contacted by email. I have not received a reply but my experience with the support team is very good. I am sure that they are looking into the matter and will give me feedback – they may be able to fix it now or will list it under issues for the collection that will be fixed at a later date.

By 1895 Margaretha was married and Elisabeth was deceased. Only five children remained to be enumerated with their parents Johann and Catharina. Marie was once again living at home and was not working. Her younger brothers Peter, Mathias, and Jean were at home and still too young to work. Her sister Helena had been working in an unknown place for the past three years.[33], [34], [35]

Johann GORGES declared the birth in Born of a granddaughter named Catharina on 1 May 1898. His 28 years old daughter Maria was the mother of the child and no father was listed. In the margin, a note was made that the child was legitimized when her mother married Mathias LEMMER on 30 December 1906 in Mompach.[36] The marriage record confirms this.[37]

Little Catharina was living with her mother Maria in the household of her grandparents Johann and Catharina GORGES-SCHERFF when the census was enumerated on 1 December 1900. Also at home was Maria’s 22 years old brother Peter who was working as a quarryman. Helena, a cook, and Mathias, a waiter, had been working in Rheims (also spelled Reims), France, halfway between Luxembourg and Paris, for the past 3 years.[38], [39], [40] The youngest son of this family, 17 years old Jean, was in the Jean HELFIN household in Born and working as a stable hand (Stallknecht).[41], [42], [43]

More censuses were taken after 1900 but this is the last presently found online at FamilySearch. Civil records help to tell the rest of the story. On 25 May 1906 son Peter GORGES died in Born at the age of 27. His 36 years old cousin Johann SCHERFF, an innkeeper (Gastwirt) was the informant.[44] Peter like his father had been a quarryman. Who was left to help Johann as he was not getting any younger?

Seven months later daughter Maria, as mentioned earlier, married Mathias LEMMER on 30 December 1906 in Mompach. Mathias was 8 years younger than Maria and both of his parents were deceased. Maria’s parents Johann and Catharina were present and gave their consent to the marriage. Catharina GORGES, Maria’s daughter, was legitimized and given the name Catharina LEMMER at the time of the marriage.[37] Did Mathias take the place of Maria’s brother Peter helping Johann GORGES in his quarry work?

The mother of this family, Catharina SCHERFF, died on 2 November 1908 in Born at the age of 72 years. Her son-in-law Mathias LEMMER, a quarryman, was the informant. Her husband survived her.[45]

Mathias LEMMER went to Mompach on 2 May 1913 to report the death of his father-in-law Johann GORGES the previous day in Born. Johann was 75 years old at the time of his death.[46]

This was not the last time that Mathias LEMMER had to report a death in the family he married into. On 30 Jun 1921, his wife Maria GORGES died at the age of 50 in Born.[47]

The longest living person of this family may have been my husband’s great-grandmother Margaretha SCHWARTZ-GORGES. She died 23 October 1938 in Osweiler where she lived her entire married life. Her obituary mentions the Gorges family but no names of living relatives are giving. Is it possible that her siblings Johann, Helena, Mathias, and Jean, who have not been traced, were still living?

A final note concerning Johann GORGES’ brother Mathias mentioned at the beginning. How do I know these two men were brothers? I have both of their marriage records which list their parents as Johann GORGES and Anna Maria BOTZ as well as their respective wives as named in the emigration records.

If Mathias and Barbara made the trip to North America they would have had to return in time for their first child’s birth and Barbara would have been pregnant on both trips. Mathias’ family was found in the civil records in Mertert, Luxembourg, from the time he married Barbara ACHTEN on 30 June 1868[48], through the births of 8 children between 1869-1885, until his death in 1899 and her death 1921.

Imagine the repercussions of one tiny decision. If my husband’s great-grandmother Margaretha GORGES had gone to America with her parents and never returned, she would not have met her husband and had the child who would be my husband’s grandmother. In turn there would not have been a grandson who would be my husband’s father or a great-grandson who would be the father of my children. An entire branch of a family tree changed forever.

Sources:
[1] Richard Schaffner, Einwohnerbuch der Orte Fell u. Fastrau mit Fellerhof, Fellerburg und den verschiedenen Mühlen im Gemeindebereich, 2008/2009, p. 106-107 family 502 and p. 109 family 510. Citing Kirchenbücher der Bistumsarchivs Trier (church records of the Diocese of Trier archive).
[2] Josef Mergen, Die Amerika-Auswanderung aus dem Landkreis Trier (1855-1910), 1952, p. 96 entry 640 and 642
[3] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 33 of 1393. 1836 Birth Record No. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-131830-98?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 21 Nov 2014).
[4] Ibid, Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 274 of 1393. 1862 Birth Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-133581-48?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[5] Ibid, Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 567 of 1480. 1868 Marriage Record No. 1. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-12362-9?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L4B:1262051718 : accessed 02 Apr 2013).
[6] Deutschland, Geburten und Taufen 1558-1898 (Germany, Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898), index, FamilySearch, GS Film number: 463564, Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C98369-2. “Name: Joannes Gorges; Gender: Male; Christening Date: 15 Feb 1838; Christening Place: Sankt Martinus Katholisch, Fell, Rheinland, Prussia; Father’s Name: Joannis Gorges; Mother’s Name: Annae Mariae Botz.” (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NPC7-BQW : accessed 05 Apr 2013).
[7] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 337 of 1393. 1868 Birth Record No. 14. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-132414-2?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-LHS:2047330937 : accessed 01 Apr 2013).
[8] Ibid, Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 352 of 1393. 1870 Birth Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-131283-9?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[9] Ibid, Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 363 of 1393. 1871 Birth Record No. 21. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-130403-13?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[10] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1871 > image 119 of 377. Gorges-Scherff household no. 25. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32378-30865-48?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-K61:345859501,345869501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[11] Ibid, Mompach > 1871 > image 120 of 377. Gorges-Scherff household no. 25. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32378-30862-51?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-K61:345859501,345869501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[12] Ibid, Mompach > 1871 > image 121 of 377. Gorges-Scherff household no. 25. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32378-29212-24?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-K61:345859501,345869501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[13] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 392 of 1393. 1874 Birth Record No. 30. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-135359-12?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[14] Ibid, Mompach > Mariages 1831-1890 Décès 1796-1814, 1799-1830, 1799-1880 > image 1428 of 1480. 1874 Death Record No. 12. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12874-12384-95?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-MNL:130097801,130138901 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[15] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1875 > image 58 of 368. Gorges-Scherff household no. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32382-9049-78?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-N3V:345859501,345870501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[16] Ibid, Mompach > 1875 > image 59 of 368. Gorges-Scherff household no. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32382-9185-71?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-N3V:345859501,345870501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[17] Ibid, Mompach > 1875 > image 60 of 368. Gorges-Scherff household no. 26. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32382-8969-73?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-N3V:345859501,345870501 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[18] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 410 of 1393. 1876 Birth Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-135504-55?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[19] Ibid, Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 430 of 1393. 1878 Birth Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-130877-9?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[20] Ibid, Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 447 of 1393. 1880 Birth Record No. 5. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-133418-98?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 21 Nov 2014).
[21] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1880 > image 92 of 390. Gorges-Scherff household no. 43. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32391-17167-63?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-DP5:345859501,345872201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[22] Ibid, Mompach > 1880 > image 93 of 390. Gorges-Scherff household no. 43. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32391-17202-76?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-DP5:345859501,345872201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[23] Ibid, Mompach > 1880 > image 94 of 390. Gorges-Scherff household no. 43. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32391-17489-45?cc=2037957&wc=M5G3-DP5:345859501,345872201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[24] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1834-1890 Mariages 1797-1814, 1796-1809, 1799-1830 > image 490 of 1393. 1883 Birth Record No. 18. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12131-131523-2?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-C68:130097801,130406101 : accessed 5 April 2010).
[25] Ibid, Mompach > Décès 1880-1891 > image 48 of 90. 1885 Deth Record No. 27. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11668-127283-50?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-DPF:130097801,130097802 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[26] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1887 > image 115 of 380. Gorges-Scherff household no. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32391-4373-99?cc=2037957&wc=M5GH-4WL:345859501,345875201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[27] Ibid, Mompach > 1887 > image 116 of 380. Gorges-Scherff household no. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32391-4083-94?cc=2037957&wc=M5GH-4WL:345859501,345875201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[28] Ibid, Mompach > 1887 > image 117 of 380. Gorges-Scherff household no. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32391-4205-43?cc=2037957&wc=M5GH-4WL:345859501,345875201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[29] Ibid, Mompach > 1890 > image 120 of 393. Gorges-Scherff household no. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32391-14244-86?cc=2037957&wc=M5G4-FMK:345859501,345876401 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[30] Ibid, Mompach > 1890 > image 121 of 393. Gorges-Scherff household no. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32391-13812-80?cc=2037957&wc=M5G4-FMK:345859501,345876401 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[31] Ibid, Mompach > 1890 > image 122 of 393. Gorges-Scherff household no. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32391-14042-66?cc=2037957&wc=M5G4-FMK:345859501,345876401 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[32] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances, mariages, décès 1891-1894 > image 108 of 111. 1894 Death Record No. 28. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-229666-84?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-N31:130097801,129717601 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[33] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mondercange > 1895 > image 76 of 423. Gorges-Scherff household No. 34. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32396-1348-67?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-JWR:345859101,345878001 : accessed 22 April 2015). Note: The browse path is correct for this record however the collection is mislabelled. It should be Mompach instead of Mondercange. The issue was reported to FamilySearch support on 22 Apr 2015.
[34] Ibid, Mondercange > 1895 > image 77 of 423. Gorges-Scherff household No. 34. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32396-1270-92?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-JWR:345859101,345878001 : accessed 22 April 2015). Note: see [29]
[35] Ibid, Mondercange > 1895 > image 78 of 423. Gorges-Scherff household No. 34. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32396-1286-55?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-JWR:345859101,345878001 : accessed 22 April 2015). Note: see [29]
[36] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Naissances 1895-1923 > image 32 of 289. 1898 Birth Record No. 7. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32063-13727-85?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-W3L:130097801,129648901 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[37] Ibid, Mompach > Mariages 1895-1923 > image 69 of 168. 1906 Marriage No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32063-12915-87?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-W32:130097801,129649201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[38] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > 1900 > image 81 of 420. Gorges household No. 27. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32396-11618-33?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-2J9:345859501,345873901 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[39] Ibid, Mompach > 1900 > image 82 of 420. Gorges household No. 27. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32396-12061-71?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-2J9:345859501,345873901 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[40] Ibid, Mompach > 1900 > image 83 of 420. Gorges household No. 27. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32396-11588-54?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-2J9:345859501,345873901 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[41] Ibid, Mompach > 1900 > image 49 of 420. Jean Helfin household no. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32396-11560-86?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-2J9:345859501,345873901 : accessed 25 April 2015).
[42] Ibid, Mompach > 1900 > image 50 of 420. Jean Helfin household no. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32396-11624-41?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-2J9:345859501,345873901 : accessed 25 April 2015).
[43] Ibid, Mompach > 1900 > image 51 of 420. Jean Helfin household no. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32396-11605-42?cc=2037957&wc=M5GX-2J9:345859501,345873901 : accessed 25 April 2015).
[44] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Mompach > Décès 1895-1912 > image 93 of 143. 1906 Death Record No. 15. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32063-14862-73?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-4WT:130097801,129657201 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[45] Ibid, Mompach > Décès 1895-1912 > image 111 of 143. 1908 Death Record No. 24. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32063-14001-78?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-4WT:130097801,129657201 : accessed 27 Sep 2014).
[46] Ibid, Mompach > Décès 1913-1923 > image 5 of 80. 1913 Death Record No. 15.  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32045-3913-24?cc=1709358&wc=9RTB-G53:130097801,129622902 : accessed 27 Sep 2014).
[47] Ibid, Mompach > Décès 1913-1923 > image 57 of 80. 1921 Death Record No. 4. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32045-3602-65?cc=1709358&wc=9RTB-G53:130097801,129622902 : accessed 22 April 2015).
[48] Ibid, Mertert > Naissances 1852-1890 Mariages 1813-1890 Décès 1813-1859 > image 958 of 1491. 1868 Marriage Record No. 7. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12125-161445-39?cc=1709358&wc=9RY3-N38:130080101,130192001 : accessed 25 April 2015).

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Johann GORGES
Parents: Johann GORGES an Anna Maria BOTZ
Spouse: Catharina SCHERFF
Parents of spouse: Michel SCHERFF and Elisabetha CLEMENS
Whereabouts: Fell, Germany, and Born, Luxembourg
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: husband’s great-great-grandparents

  1. Johann GORGES and Catharina SCHERFF
  2. Margaretha GORGES
  3. Catharina “Ketty” SCHWARTZ
  4. Marcel Mathias MEDER
  5. Cathy Meder-Dempsey’s husband

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

52ancestors-2015This is my weekly entry for Amy Johnson Crow’s challenge:
52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks – 2015 Edition. It was so successful in 2014 that genealogists wanted to continue or join in on the fun in 2015. Be sure to check out the other great posts by visiting Amy’s blog No Story Too Small where she’ll be posting the weekly recap on Thurdays and allowing all participants to leave a link to their post(s) in the comments.