52 Ancestors: #16 A Door Opens in the KREMER-WINANDY Brick Wall

Before I begin writing my 52 Ancestors posts, I review the information I have, revise notes, check for missing information, and add or fix source citations. The process has twofold results. I’m getting my stories written and my database is being cleaned up at the same time.

For the family group featured this week, I had the baptismal record for one daughter, marriage records for the daughter and three sons, and death records for the mother and five known children. I was stuck and thought I would end up doing only a short recap of the information I already shared in my post 52 Ancestors: #34 KREMER-FRIEDERICH Family – Using Substitutes to Tell Their Story.

But the parents and siblings of Nicolas KREMER (1797-1867), my children’s 4th great-grandfather, still deserved a few hours of research.

A Key to Open the Door in this Brick Wall

Let me introduce you to Joseph CREMERS who had the key in his baptismal record[1] which led to my finding the missing information.

12 December 1798 Baptismal Record of Joseph CREMERS.[1]
Today the 23rd day of the month Frimaire in the 7th year of the French Republic at 9 o’clock in the morning came before me, Pierre Peters, agent of the commune of Hosingen … Wilhelm CREMERS, herder, resident of Wahlhausen, assisted by Jacob Meyers and Peter Theis, both of age and residents of Wahlhausen, and declared that Magdelene VENANDY, a native of Fouhren in the canton of Vianden and his legal wife gave birth yesterday the 22nd day of the present month at [illegible] o’clock in the evening at his home in Wahlhausen, a male child who he presented and gave the name Joseph, …. the citizens Jacob Meyers and Peter Theis confirmed this was true …. they signed in the presence of the agent and the father declared not being able to write.[1] (a rough translation)

The Wall Came Tumbling Down

Joseph’s baptismal record led to my searching the church records of Fouhren for the baptismal record of the mother who was a native of the town. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I had no idea how old the mother was and soon became frustrated with viewing the old script. I asked myself, “If she was a native of the town, did she marry there?”

I checked the marriage index cards and found the marriage of Wilhelmus CREMERS and Maria Magdalena VENANDY in Fouhren.[2]

1793 Marriage Index Card for CREMERS and VINANDI.[2]
I was ecstatic when I found this card with the names of the bride and groom as well as their parents’ names. My excitement dwindled as I read through the actually entry in the parish records for the marriage event.[3]

1793 Marriage Record for Wilhelmus CREMERS and Maria Magdalena VENANDI.[3]
On the 3rd of June 1793 after proclamation in the church parishes of Fouhren and Stolzembourg and, there being no impediment to the marriage, were joined in marriage of mutual consent Wilhelmus CREMERS of Arsfeld, a parishioner of Stolzembourg, and Maria Magdalena VENANDI, daughter of Joannes VENANDI and Maria HOSINGER of Stolzembourg who attend the Walsdorff parish of Fouhren and have their fixed domicile in Stolzembourg. Witnesses were Joannes Urhausen, a married man of Stolzembourg, and Joannes Lentz, a widower from Walsdorff. The bride and groom signed with their mark and the witnesses with their names.[3] (a rough translation)

The marriage record brought to light two things. First, the parents of the groom were not mentioned on the record. Did the person who typed up this index card “know” the names of the parents or did he misread the record as it is on the bottom of one page and top of the next? Second, the couple had a reason for marrying. Since the until now earliest record for this couple was the birth of their daughter Eva on 10 September 1793, we can imagine the reason they were married on 3 June 1793.

And Then I Found More Children

With the discovery of the son Joseph and the marriage record, I searched again for other children born in Hosingen and Weiler area, where previously found children were born. From Joseph’s baptismal record I knew Wilhelm was a herder and the family may have wandered around. I found two more baptismal records and two death records. Two sons were discovered in the GEDCOM file of a Luxracines member on my genealogy society’s site however I was not able to find the records to support the dates and places. After sending him a query, Rob Deltgen pointed me in the right direction. Using his tip I found three of the four missing birth records and three death records. I now have all marriages and deaths for the family documented as well as the births of seven of the nine children. For the two missing birth records I have marriage records, secondary evidence of the births.

CREMERS-VENANDI to KREMER-WINANDY

Wilhelm CREMERS married Maria Magdalena VENANDI on 3 June 1793 in Fouhren. Madelaine, as she would be known in later years, was the daughter of Joannes VENANDI and Maria HOSINGER of Stolzembourg.[3]

1793 Baptismal Record of Eva KRIEMER. [4]
Three months later at 9 o’clock in the morning of Tuesday, 10 September 1793 Maria Magdalena VENANDI gave birth to her first child. The father Wilhelmi KRIEMER reported the birth of the female child who was baptized the same day and named Eva. Her godmother was Eva VENANDI of Stolzembourg and her godfather was Joannes SCHNEIDERS of Putscheid.[4] [The godparents have been tagged for future research.]

The second known child of Madelaine and Wilhelm was their son Nicolas KREMER (1797-1867) born in Hosingen on 1 March 1797. The birth and/or baptism of this child was not found as records for the years 1794-1797 appear to be missing for Hosingen. The date and place of birth were found on his 1830 marriage record.[5]

On Wednesday the 22nd day of the month of Frimaire in the 8th year of the French Republic (13 December 1798) Madelaine gave birth to Joseph CREMERS (1798-1822) in Wahlhausen. The father Wilhelm’s occupation at the time was herder or pâtre. The birth record was a civil record, not a church record, and did not include names of godparents.[1]

Marguerite CREMERS (1801-1803) was born at 4 o’clock in the morning on the 9th day of the month Floreal in the 9th year of the French Republic or 29 April 1801 in Wahlhausen. Two farmers from the town were witnesses and the father declared not being able to write.[6] Marguerite died at the age of 23 months on the 13th day of Pluviose in the 11th year or 2 February 1803 in Wahlhausen. At the time of her death the father Wilhelm was working as a day laborer or journalier.[7]

Madelaine likely conceived shortly after her daughter Marguerite died. Marie CREMERS (1803-1840) was born at 8 in the evening of the 20th day of Brumaire year 12 or 12 November 1803 in Wahlhausen. Her birth was recorded in the commune of Hosingen and witnessed by two farmers from that town.[8]

The sixth child of Wilhelm and Madelaine was born at 5 in the morning on 26 April 1806 in Nachtmanderscheid. Mathias was the name his 40 years old father, a herdman or bouvier gave him.[9]

A son named Paul was born on 30 May 1808 in Weiler. The record found to document the birth of Paul KREMER (1808-1859) was his 1830 marriage record.[10]

On 20 February 1811 at 8 in the morning another son born in Weiler was given the name Mathieu, the French version of Mathias, even though the first son with this name was still living. His father was listed as a 46 years old cowherd or Kühhirt.[11] Did the parents make a mistake when naming their son or did they know one or both would not survive the year?

On 14 October 1811 the elder Mathias died in Weiler.[12] His baby brother, also named Mathias died on 27 December 1811, also in Weiler.[13] The family was reduced to two daughters and three sons.

Two years later the last child of Wilhelm and Madelaine was born in 9 November 1813 in Weiler.[14] The father, a 50 years old cowherd, declared his son Jacob was born at 8 in the evening to his wife.

On 29 January 1814 at 9 o’clock in the morning Madelaine and a neighbor went to the commune of Landscheid to declare the death of her husband Wilhelm KREMER who died the previous day in Weiler in the Hintner Haus. Madelaine, who could not write, left her mark on the death record. Her age was given as 42 years (b. abt. 1772).[15]

The mother of two daughters and four sons between the ages of 20 years and less than 3 months may have tried to keep the family together for the next 8 years. Her second oldest son Joseph was in his early twenties when he died at 6 o’clock in the morning on 20 February 1822 in Wahlhausen in a house called Schneiders. His mother and a farmer named Theodor SCHNEIDERS reported his death. Joseph had been working as a day laborer, likely in service with the farmer.[16] [Further research is planned as the eldest daughter Eva’s godfather was also a SCHNEIDERS, i.e. a possible relation to the KREMER, WINANDY, or HOSINGER families?]

Eva KREMER married Nicolas DIFFERDING (1792-1869) on 15 October 1822 in Landscheid.[17] In retrospect, the location of her marriage should have lead me to the records of her missing siblings. Records for Weiler and Nachmanderscheid for the period the siblings were born and died were kept in Landscheid and found in the Bastendorf collection.

Following Joseph’s death and Eva’s marriage things were quiet until 1830. The oldest son Nicolas had moved to Bettendorf sometime prior to his marriage on 17 February 1830 to Elisabeth FRIEDERICH (1802-1871). His mother came to Bettendorf for the marriage from Eisenbach where she was living at the time.[5]

A little more than a month later Nicolas’ brother Paul who was living in Hosingen married Marie DIEDERICH on 27 March 1830 in Bettendorf. His mother Madelaine was living in Merscheid but came to Bettendorf for the marriage.[10]

Madelaine may have taken ill soon after the wedding or planned on staying in Bettendorf as she did not go back home to Merscheid. Four days later on 31 March 1830 at 7 o’clock in the morning she died in the house of Christian DIEDERICH, Paul KREMER’s father-in-law. Christian DIEDERICH was the informant on her death record and listed as her neighbor. The age given on the death record was 74 years (b. abt. 1756).[18] She was more likely about 58 years old. The only record with an age for her was the death record of her husband Wilhelm in 1814 when she was listed as 42 years old. Another discrepancy on her death record was her place of birth which was listed as Bettendorf, the town she died in. No birth or baptismal record was found for Madelaine however her marriage record indicates she may have been from Stolzembourg or according the baptismal record of her son Joseph she was a native of Fouhren.

Five years after the marriages of Nicolas and Paul and the death of their mother, their youngest brother Jacques was marrying Cathérine KORB (1813-1895) on 27 February 1835 in Bettendorf. Jacques was living in Weiler at the time and Cathérine was from Bettendorf.[19] They made their home in Bettendorf after the marriage.

The marriage record of Jacques KREMER erroneously listed his mother’s death as taking place on 30 March 1814 in Weiler instead of in 1830 in Bettendorf. Marriage records in Luxembourg are full of important genealogical information however the primary source is needed to substantiate the information which is only secondary evidence. It took me a while to learn this lesson in the early years of my genealogical research as I relied heavily on marriage records.

After the marriage of the youngest KREMER only the oldest daughter Eva was not living in Bettendorf. She lived and raised her family in Gralingen. Her three married brothers Nicolas, Paul, and Jacques were raising their families in Bettendorf where their sister Marie also lived. At the time of Marie’s death she was living in the home Christian DIEDERICH and did not work. She died on 12 May 1840 at the age of 36 years (the death record indicates 39) and her death was reported by her oldest brother Nicolas.[20]

Eight years later the youngest of the KREMER siblings, Jacques, died on 23 July 1848 in Bettendorf. His death was reported by his father-in-law.[21] Jacques who was only 34 when he died, had lived with his wife and children in the home of his father-in-law. His wife Cathérine outlived him by 47 years.

NIne years after Jacques’ death the now youngest living sibling, Paul KREMER died on 9 March 1859 in Bettendorf. His son-in-law Johann THEIS reported his death and did not know the names of the deceased parents. Paul’s age on the record was 52 years although he was only 50.[22]

From 1859 until 1867 the only living children of Wilhelm and Madelaine were their two oldest children Eva and Nicolas. On 8 February 1867 Nicolas KREMER died in Bettendorf at the age of 69. His son Anton reported the death and added 10 years to his father’s age.[23]

This must have been a family trait as Eva’s son Johann DIFFERDING reported that his mother Eva KREMER who died on 3 July 1867 in Gralingen was 80 years old when her true age was only 73.[24]

Wilhelm CREMERS later known as Wilhelm KREMER and Maria Magdalena VENANDI later known as Madelaine WINANDY were a challenge to research. I began with five known children and very few records and ended up with nine children and records to document nearly all important dates in the family’s life other than the births of Wilhelm ca. 1766 and Madelaine ca. 1772, my children’s 5th great-grandparents.

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Sources:
[1] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Hosingen > Naissances 1798-1822 > image 7 of 395. 1798 Birth Record (22 Frimaire An 7). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6L8S-GST?cc=1709358&wc=9RYZ-4W5%3A129905301%2C130379001 : accessed 15 April 2017).
[2] Ibid., Fouhren > Tables des mariages 1726-1797 (index organisée par l’époux) > image 43 of 198. 1793 Marriage Index Card. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-SPY?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-DPR%3A1500942601%2C1501164506 : 9 January 2015).
[3] Ibid., Fouhren > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 141 of 245. 1793 Marriage Record (right, last entry – continued on next image). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9QNT?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-BZW%3A1500942601%2C1500913302 : 9 January 2015).
[4] Ibid., Putscheid > Naissances 1779-1831 > image 141 of 299. 1793 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11541-110845-43?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-4WL:130227001,130321101 : accessed 18 August 2015).
[5] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 220 of 1494. 1830 Marriage Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-39950-62?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 07 Apr 2013).
[6] Ibid., Hosingen > Naissances 1798-1822 > image 55 of 395. 1801 Birth Record (9 Floreal year 9). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6L8S-XZJ?cc=1709358&wc=9RYZ-4W5%3A129905301%2C130379001 : accessed 15 April 2017).
[7] Ibid., Hosingen > Mariages 1863-1890 Décès 1798-1876 > image 367 of 1487. 1803 Death Record (13 Pluviose 11). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DKRS-PGJ?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-W38%3A129905301%2C130182001 : accesed 17 April 2017).
[8] Ibid., Hosingen > Naissances 1798-1822 > image 95 of 395. 1803 Birth Record (20 Brumaire an 12).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6L8S-ZRH?cc=1709358&wc=9RYZ-4W5%3A129905301%2C130379001 : accessed 17 April 2017).
[9] Ibid., Bastendorf > Naissances 1800-1823, 1798-1823, 1828-1890 Mariages 1778-1823 > image 211 of 1476. 1806 Birth Record (right page, bottom). https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6277-MD6?cc=1709358&wc=9RYQ-MNL%3A129624201%2C129879301 : accessed 20 April 2017). Continued on next image.
[10] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 212 of 1494. 1830 Marriage Record No. 14. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6RW9-FCD?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8%3A129626601%2C129729901 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[11] Ibid., Bastendorf > Naissances 1800-1823, 1798-1823, 1828-1890 Mariages 1778-1823 > image 247 of 1476. 1811 Birth Record No. 4. (bottom left, top right). https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-627Q-1J4?cc=1709358&wc=9RYQ-MNL%3A129624201%2C129879301 : accessed 20 April 2017).
[12] Ibid., Bastendorf > Décès 1798-1823 > image 81 of 143. 1811 Death Record No. 7. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PQC-HSK?cc=1709358&wc=9RYZ-827%3A129624201%2C129649901 : accessed 20 April 2017).
[13] Ibid., Bastendorf > Décès 1798-1823 > image 82 of 143. 1811 Death Record No. 14 (lower right, next image upper left). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PQC-F7Z?cc=1709358&wc=9RYZ-827%3A129624201%2C129649901 : accessed 20 April 2017).
[14] Ibid., Bastendorf > Naissances 1800-1823, 1798-1823, 1828-1890 Mariages 1778-1823 > image 265 of 1476. 1813 Birth Record No. 15. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6277-9S6?cc=1709358&wc=9RYQ-MNL%3A129624201%2C129879301 : accessed 20 April 2017).
[15] Ibid., Bastendorf > Décès 1798-1823 > image 95 of 143. 1814 Death Record No. 1.  (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6PQC-FQQ?cc=1709358&wc=9RYZ-827%3A129624201%2C129649901 : accessed 20 April 2017).
[16] Ibid., Putscheid > Naissances 1839-1890 Mariages 1798-1890 Décès 1798-1858 > image 1143 of 1481. 1822 Death Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69G8-8Q?cc=1709358&wc=9RYH-K68%3A130227001%2C130423701 : accessed 18 April 2017),.
[17] Ibid., Bastendorf > Mariages 1800-1823 > image 184 of 196. 1822 Marriage Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12394-249592-40?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2CG:n1464610767 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[18] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1095 of 1494. 1830 Death Record No. 12. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-38474-75?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 14 Apr 2013).
[19] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 269 of 1494. 1835 Marriage Record No. 9. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-40497-91?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[20] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1235 of 1494. 1840 Death Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-39485-62?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 22 March 2010).
[21] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1346 of 1494. 1848 Death Record No. 40. ((https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-41065-23?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 22 March 2010).
[22] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1478 of 1494. 1859 Death Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-41053-41?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 21 March 2010).
[23] Ibid., Bettendorf > Décès 1860-1890 > image 118 of 465. 1867 Death Record No. 8. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11711-67192-17?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZR:n1595569028 : accessed 07 Apr 2013).
[24] Ibid., Putscheid > Décès 1859-1890 > image 108 of 381. 1867 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11564-48433-11?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L84:n1201975605 : accessed 01 Mar 2013).

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52 Ancestors: #34 KREMER-FRIEDERICH Family – Using Substitutes to Tell Their Story

Week 34 (August 20-26) – Non-Population: While we’re on the subject of special census schedules, have you found an ancestor on a non-population census — agriculture, industry, manufactures,  or 1890 Union veterans? Tell us about him or her.

“Putting Flesh on the Bones”

If the birth, marriage, and death records are the bones of your ancestors then the Non-Population Schedules and Special Censuses are the muscles and flesh we need to cover the skeleton. They provide information about the communities in which our ancestors lived making their stories more interesting. One difference between U.S. and Luxembourgish research is the lack of these special schedules.

I would be happy to have agriculture, industry, manufacturers, mortality, and veterans schedules for my Luxembourgish ancestors. I make do with the birth, marriage, death and census records for Luxembourg as they usually include enough information to substitute for misssing records and, at the same time, give more substance to the story of the entire family.

By analyzing the records of all persons in this week’s family I made some very interesting discoveries and found stand-ins for some of the missing key records.

Visiting the Ancestral Towns

viandenWhile out on our bikes last week my husband and I rode through the German and Luxembourgish countryside. I often think of the families who lived in the towns we ride through. We passed through Vianden (above), the canton where the KREMER family lived before coming to Bettendorf, and rode into Dillingen (below), where the FRIEDERICH family lived, crossing over this old cobblestone bridge.

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Nicolas KREMER 1797-1867

My husband’s 3rd great-grandfather Nicolas KREMER was born in Hosingen, Clervaux, Luxembourg, on the 11 Ventôse Year 5 of the French Republic. Ventôse is the “windy” third month of winter and the date converts to 1 March 1797. The date and place were found on his 1830 marriage record.[1] Other dates were seen on the census: 29 December 1800 (1846)[2] and the year 1795 without a day or month (1849)[3].

I searched the Hosingen birth records and found the years 1794-1797 were missing. To further complicate matters the 1843 census[4] shows his place of birth as Stolzembourg and the 1846[2] and 1847[5] census list Wahlhausen, part of the commune of Hosingen. I checked Putscheid as Stolzembourg belongs to this commune and, once again, I found records were missing from 1794-1816. I’ve nearly given up on finding the birth record.

Nicolas’ marriage record[1] is the substitute I use for his date of birth as well as the names of his parents. He was the son of Wilhelm “Guillaume” KREMER and Madelaine “Magdalena” WINANDY. The marriage record gives his father Wilhelm’s date of death as 28 January 1814 in Weiler, part of the commune of Putscheid. A death record was not found as this year is missing. I checked the Tables Décennales (the 10 year lists of births, marriages, and deaths) for Putscheid and Vianden and did not find him in the 1813-1822 lists. Can I trust the date and place given in the marriage record?

Nicolas had two sisters, Eva and Marie, and two brothers, Paul and Jacques. Marie never married. What did I find on the marriage records of Eva and her brothers? Wilhelm died 28  January 1814 in Weiler. Four marriage records with his date of death. Are these substitutes enough for his death record?

  • Sib 1: Eva (1793-1867) born 10 Sep 1793 Putscheid (Vianden).[6] She married Nicolas DIFFERDING (1792-1869) on 15 October 1822 in Landscheid (Vianden).[7] Eva died 3 July 1867 in Gralingen (Putscheid).[8]
  • Sib 3: Marie (1801-1840) born about 1801 Walhausen. She died 12 May 1840 in Bettendorf.[9]
  • Sib 4: Paul (1808-1859) born 30 May 1808 Weiler (Putscheid).[10] He died 9 March 1859, both in  Bettendorf.[11]
  • Sib 5: Jacques (1813-1848) born 9 November 1813 Weiler (Putscheid).[12] He died 23 July 1848 in Bettendorf.[13]

As with Nicolas, I had to rely on the marriage records of Paul[10] and Jacques[12] as a substitute for their birth records. Eva’s baptismal record was located in the collection of church records and confirms her parents were Wilhelm KREMER and Magdalena WINANDY.[6] Next on my research list is to locate the marriage record of Wilhelm and Magdalena.

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Eva’s baptismal record confirms her parents were Wilhelm KREMER and Magdalena WINANDY [6]

Elisabeth FRIEDERICH 1802-1871

My husband’s 3rd great-grandmother Elisabeth FRIEDERICH (1802-1871) was born 14 April 1802, per the 1846 census[2], or 15 April 1803, per 1849 census[3], in Dillingen, Luxembourg. Can these conflicting records be used as substitutes for her birth record? Per her 1830 marriage record[1] her parents were Mathieu “Mathias” FRIEDERICH dite THIVELS (1771-1812) and Maria OLSEM (1763-1828). Elisabeth had a brother who was stillborn in 1794 and a sister born in 1796. Rob Deltgen, who has access to more than the Luxembourg church and civil records, includes the full dates in his database. I was not able to locate the records in Beaufort, the commune Dillingen belongs to. Mathias[14] and Maria’s[15] death records were found in Beaufort.

While looking at the map of our ride, I remembered I had found information on the FRIEDERICH family (also seen as TIVELS and THIVELS) coming from Wallendorf in Germany. Across the river from Wallendorf is the Luxembourgish village of Wallendorf-Pont which lies only 4 km from Dillingen. On an off chance Wallendorf-Pont may have kept church records I browsed the database at FamilySearch and located the 1791 marriage record of Elisabeth’s parents.[16] This wonderful find made up for the lack of records for their children’s births.

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The index card which led to the religious marriage record of Mathias Friederich and Maria Olsem [16]
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1791 Religious marriage record [16a]

KREMER Marriages Solve Dilemma

What do you do when you find an error in someone else’s database? What if you are not sure it’s a mistake?

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1830 Marriage Record No. 10 (top portion) [1]
Nicolas KREMER (seen here as KREMESCH) married Elisabeth FRIEDERICH on 17 February 1830 in Bettendorf. This is the famous marriage record (above, top half) which contains the information missing due to lack of documents concerning births and deaths. Elisabeth’s parents were both deceased and their dates of death were included. If these were known why was the age and date of birth of the bride not included?

Nicolas’ father was deceased and his mother was present and consenting to the marriage. Her residence was “Eisback” or “Eisbach,” neither a place in Luxembourg. I wonder if the person who wrote up the record meant “Eisleck” which is the northern region of Luxembourg and covers a third of the country. Years ago when I obtained the marriage record from the civil hall in Bettendorf I thought it might even be the name of a German town. Today I believe it should be Eisenbach (Eesbech) which lies north of Wahlhausen, Weiler, Putscheid, and Stolzembourg.

A little over a month later Nicolas’ brother Paul married Marie DIEDERICH (1811-1847) on 27 March 1830 in Bettendorf.[10] Again the mother of the groom Magdalena WINANDY a resident of Merscheid was present for the marriage. Christian DIEDERICH and his wife, the parents of the bride, were also present and consented to the marriage.

Five years later the third KREMER son was married in Bettendorf. Jacques KREMER married Cathérine KORB (1813-1895) on 27 February 1835.[12] Both of Jacques’ parents were noted as deceased. Wilhelm died on 21 January 1814 as opposed to the 28th seen on Eva, Nicolas, and Paul’s marriage records. Magdalena died on 31 March 1814 in Weiler. As seen in the marriages records of Nicolas and Paul, this is a mistake.

Marie KREMER, the daughter who never married, died on 12 May 1840 in Bettendorf in the house of Christian DIEDERICH, her brother Paul’s father-in-law.[9]

After studying the marriage records and finding Magdalena WINANDY living in 1830 and present at two of her sons’ marriage, I had to find her death record. First stop, the reliable online database maintained by Rob Deltgen. Unfortunately, he had the 1814 date found in Jacques’ marriage record. I was back to searching the towns seen as her residence when her children married.

Since my success rate for the records in the Putscheid was near zero I was not surprised I was unable to find the death record there. As several of the families in this branch of my husband’s tree lived in the Bettendorf area, I took a chance and searched for her death in the Tables Décennales of Bettendorf. I found a lady of the same name but the death record showed she was born in Bettendorf and 73 years old at the time of death. At first, I did not believe I had the right person even though Wilhelm KREMER was the name of her deceased husband. She would have been 56 in 1813 and too old when her son Jacques was born. But once I realized she died in the home of her son Paul’s father-in-law and only a few days after the marriage I was sure there must be an error in her age at death.

Madelaine “Magdalena” WINANDY died at the home of Christian DIEDERICH in Bettendorf on 31 March 1830, four days after the wedding.[17] Did she plan to stay a while after the marriage or was she not well enough to go home?

I’ve contacted Rob with the correction and will continue to search for the other missing records.

Nicolas and Elisabeth’s Family

Three months after the marriage of Nicolas and Elisabeth, twins boys, Jean[18] and Paul[19], were born on 18 May 1830 in Bettendorf. On 6 June at 11 o’clock in the morning, Paul died[20] and was followed by his older twin Jean at 3 o’clock in the afternoon.[21] The death of the second twin must have been expected as Nicolas waited to report the deaths at the same time, an hour after the second death.

Following the births and deaths of the twins more children were born:

  • Jacques was born on 5 August 1831[22]
  • Anna Maria on 2 March 1833[23]
  • Johann on 5 October 1834[24]
  • Anton on 5 June 1836[25]
  • Peter on 25 February 1839[26]

Peter was born at 5 o’clock in the morning. Six hours later his brother Johann died at age 5 years.[27] From 1843 to 1851 Peter was seen as Jean on the census. In 1858 and 1871 he was seen as Pierre. Was he known as Jean during his childhood in remembrance of his brother Johann who died the day he was born?

Another set of twins was born on 2 October 1841.The boy was given the name Paul[28] , a name used with the first set of twins, and the girl was named Marie.[29] Paul, like his namesake, died young, only a month old, on 4 November 1841.[30]

Following the twins’ births, Catherine was born on 1 March 1844.[31] She died on 15 February 1847, two weeks before her 3rd birthday.[32]

Marie, Paul’s twin, died on 20 March 1850.[33] By this time Elizabeth had given birth to 10 children and 6 of these were now deceased. Jacques, Anna Maria (known as Marie), Anton and Pierre were the four remaining children.

Jacques married Elisabeth PROMMENSCHENKEL (1832-1892) on 10 May 1854 in Waldbillig.[34] They lived for a short time in Christnach, a town in the commune of Waldbillig, where they had two daughters in 1854[35] and 1858.[36] The little family may have gone to Paris following the birth of the second daughter.

In 1858 Nicolas KREMER and his wife Elizabeth FRIEDERICH had only 19 years old Pierre living at home.[37] An annotation to the census indicates one of his sons was working in Paris and his daughter was “en condition” in Luxembourg City. As Jacques was married he would no longer be mentioned on his father’s census listing. This could mean my husband’s 2nd great-grandfather Anton KREMER may have been the son who was in Paris.

If it was Anton who was working in Paris in December 1858 he did not stay for long. Anton was in Bettendorf on 1 September 1859 when he married my husband’s 2nd great-grandmother Anna Maria MERKES (1835-1920).[38]

Anna Maria “Marie”  KREMER was last seen with her parents on the 1861 census[39] and was single. Her brother Jacques was last heard of when he reported the death of his second daughter on 18 November 1865 in the 19e arrondissement, Paris, Île-de-France, France.[40] On 2 November 1892, his wife Elisabeth PROMMENSCHENKEL died at the same address. Her husband Jacques was listed as deceased.[41] These death records, found online in the Paris archives, help estimate his death at between 1865-1892.

Nicolas KREMER died 8 February 1867 Bettendorf.[42] Nicolas, who had worked as a day laborer (Journalier or Taglöhner) his entire adult life, left his wife Elisabeth and sons Anton and Pierre. Were Marie and Jacques still living? Further research may uncover their whereabouts or death records.

Elisabeth FRIEDERICH died 28 October 1871 in Bettendorf. Her son Anton was the informant.[43] Later in the year her son Pierre was listed on the back page of Anton’s census record[44] as being in service (in dienst) but without a location. He was most likely still single. If he had been married at the time he would have been listed in his own household. No further record was found for Peter/Pierre and I estimate his death at after December 1871.

Anton KREMER, the last living child of Nicolas KREMER and Elisabeth FRIEDERICH, died 28 April 1918 in Bettendorf at the age of 81.[45]

Make Do With What You Find

I hope you’ve enjoyed the photographs taken for this week’s post as well my twist on the theme. No special census records for this family. And even though I’m missing key documents for the KREMER and FRIEDERICH families the list of sources used is still quite long. I thought this would be such an easy post but while writing and reviewing the documents I noticed facts I’d missed and had to do more than the usual amount of re-writing.

 

 

 

Sources:
[1] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 220 of 1494. 1830 Marriage Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-39950-62?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 07 Apr 2013).
[2] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Bettendorf > 1846 > image 27 of 334. 1846 Kremer-Friederich household.  (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32356-27262-77?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-BZ9:346114101,345858602 : accessed 18 February 2015).
[3] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1849 > image 33 of 343. 1849 Kremer-Friederich household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32356-21299-31?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-TQW:346114101,345864801 : accessed 18 February 2015).
[4] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1843 > image 190 of 288. 1843 Kremer-Friederich household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32360-26913-56?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-T3L:346114101,345863501 : accessed 18 February 2015).
[5] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1849 > image 33 of 343. 1849 Kremer-Friederich household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32356-21299-31?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-TQW:346114101,345864801 : accessed 18 February 2015).
[6] Luxembourg Civil Records, Putscheid > Naissances 1779-1831 > image 141 of 299. 1793 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11541-110845-43?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-4WL:130227001,130321101 : accessed 18 August 2015).
[7] Ibid., Bastendorf > Mariages 1800-1823 > image 184 of 196. 1822 Marriage Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12394-249592-40?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2CG:n1464610767 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[8] Ibid., Putscheid > Décès 1859-1890 > image 108 of 381. 1867 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11564-48433-11?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-L84:n1201975605 : accessed 01 Mar 2013).
[9] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1235 of 1494. 1840 Death Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-39485-62?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 22 March 2010).
[10] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 212 of 1494. 1830 Marriage Record No. 14. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-40782-87?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 13 Apr 2013).
[11] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1478 of 1494. 1859 Death Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-41053-41?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 21 March 2010).
[12] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1843 > image 273 of 288. Koorb-Nilles and Kremer-Koorb household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32360-28353-62?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-T3L:346114101,345863501 : accessed 16 August 2015).
[13] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1346 of 1494. 1848 Death Record No. 40. ((https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-41065-23?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 22 March 2010).
[14] Ibid., Beaufort > Mariages 1864-1890 Décès 1799-1890 > image 440 of 1474. 1812 Death Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11577-147496-32?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-W38:129623701,129687501 : accessed 17 August 2015).
[15] Ibid., Beaufort > Mariages 1864-1890 Décès 1799-1890 > image 676 of 1474. 1828 Death Record No. 8. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11577-141484-84?cc=1709358&wc=9RY9-W38:129623701,129687501 : accessed 17 August 2015) Note: May be an error on record as she was listed as age 73 therefore b. 1755.
[16] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), 1. Wallendorf-Pont > Tables des mariages 1746-1802 (index organisée par l’épouse) > image 133 of 212. 1791 Marriage Card. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32462-18064-80?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-K68:1501154317,1501173938 : accessed 19 August 2015).
[16a] Ibid., Wallendorf-Pont > Naissances 1799-1814, baptêmes 1779-1793, mariages 1779-1793, 1799-1814, décès 1799-1814, sépultures 1779-1793 > image 88 of 438. 1791 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32461-5216-23?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-92F:1501154317,1501199302 : accessed 19 August 2015).
[17] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1095 of 1494. 1830 Death Record No. 12. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-38474-75?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 14 Apr 2013).
[18] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 55 of 1507. 1830 Birth Record No. 32. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-590-31?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[19] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 55 of 1507. 1830 Birth Record No. 33. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-590-31?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[20] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1097 of 1494. 1830 Death Record No. 18. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-36361-85?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[21] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1097 of 1494. 1830 Death Record No. 19. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-36361-85?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[22] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 77 of 1507. 1832 Birth Record No. 37. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-5590-72?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[23] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 108 of 1507. 1833 Birth Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-6097-76?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[24] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 139 of 1507. 1834 Birth Record No. 49. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-4896-81?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[25] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 176 of 1507. 1836 Birth Record No. 45. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-5516-98?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-28S:1346120346 : accessed 02 Apr 2013).
[26] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 231 of 1507. 1839 Birth Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-1700-0?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[27] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1214 of 1494. 1839 Death Record No. 12. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-38221-4?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[28] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 287 of 1507. 1841 Birth Record No. 63. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-294-34?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[29] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 287 of 1507. 1841 Birth Record No. 64. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-294-34?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[30] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1250 of 1494. 1841 Death Record No. 34. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-39923-67?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[31] Ibid., Bettendorf > Naissances 1828-1890 Mariages 1800-1816 > image 340 of 1507. 1844 Birth Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-5801-96?cc=1709358&wc=9RYD-FM9:129626601,129945501 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[32] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1325 of 1494. 1847 Death Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-38041-6?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 18 February 2015).
[33] Ibid., Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 1363 of 1494. 1850 Death Record No. 9. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-38184-84?cc=1709358&wc=9RY8-SP8:129626601,129729901 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[34] Ibid., Waldbillig > Naissances 1871-1890 Mariages 1796-1798, 1800-1803, 1805-1890 Décès 1796-1803, 1805-1838 > image 875 of 1486. 1854 Marriage Record No. 2. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11574-91736-65?cc=1709358&wc=9RYW-N38:130535001,130636701 : accessed 18 August 2015).
[35] Ibid., Waldbillig > Pièces de mariage 1779-1803 Tables décennales 1803-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1793 Naissances, mariages 1795-1796 Naissances 1796-1803 Naissances, mariages, décès 1803-1805 Naissances 1805-1870 > image 1198 of 1415. 1854 Birth Record No. 30. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12455-83981-74?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-W38:130535001,950245901 : accessed 18 August 2015).
[36] Ibid., Waldbillig > Pièces de mariage 1779-1803 Tables décennales 1803-1892 Registres paroissiaux 1779-1793 Naissances, mariages 1795-1796 Naissances 1796-1803 Naissances, mariages, décès 1803-1805 Naissances 1805-1870 > image 1248 of 1415. 1858 Birth Record No. 4. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12455-89144-85?cc=1709358&wc=9RY7-W38:130535001,950245901 : accessed 18 August 2015).
[37] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1858 > image 7 of 365. 1858 Kremer-Friederich household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32359-8277-56?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-2JF:346114101,345867601 : accessed 18 February 2015).
[38] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bettendorf > Mariages 1817-1890 Décès 1800-1859 > image 516 of 1494. 1859 Marriage Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12456-37146-86?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZY:2071013250 : accessed 02 Apr 2013).
[39] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1861 > image 347 of 367. Kremer-Friederich household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32377-4422-87?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-MNL:346114101,345867101 : accessed 17 February 2015).
[40] Archives de Paris, http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr, V4E 2310, Décès 19e arr., 18/11/1865. Images from this site are not allowed to be shared with others, used on the internet, or for commercial purposes without permission. 1865 Death Record No. 2429. (online : accessed 17 August 2015).
[41] Archives de Paris, http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr, V4E 2310, Décès 19e arr., 03/11/1892. Images from this site are not allowed to be shared with others, used on the internet, or for commercial purposes without permission. 1892 Death Record No. 2485. (online: accessed 17 August 2015).
[42] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bettendorf > Décès 1860-1890 > image 118 of 465. 1867 Death Record No. 8. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11711-67192-17?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ZR:n1595569028 : accessed 07 Apr 2013).
[43] Ibid., Bettendorf > Décès 1860-1890 > image 189 of 465. 1871 Death Record No. 84. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11711-60058-48?cc=1709358&wc=9RYH-82S:129626601,129626602 : accessed 2 May 2015).
[44] Luxembourg Census, Bettendorf > 1871 > image 269 of 823. Kremer-Merkes household No. 20. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32382-11432-63?cc=2037957&wc=M5L1-J46:346114101,345869501 : accessed 12 February 2015). See also images 268 and 270.
[45] Luxembourg Civil Records, Bettendorf > Décès 1895-1923 > image 329 of 389. 1918 Death Record No. 11. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32048-24192-81?cc=1709358&wc=9RT1-926:129626601,129623802 : accessed 27 Sep 2014).

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Nicolas KREMER
Parents: Wilhelm “Guillaume” KREMER and Madelaine “Magdalena” WINANDY
Spouse: Elisabeth FRIEDERICH
Parents of spouse: Mathias FRIEDERICH dite TIVELS and Maria OLSEM
Whereabouts: Hosingen, Weiler, Putscheid, Stolzembourg, Dillengen, Bettendorf
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: husband’s 3rd great-grandfather

1. Nicolas KREMER
2. Anton KREMER
3. Nicolas KREMER
4. Franz “Fritz” KREMER
5. Marie Françoise “Maisy” KREMER
6. husband of Cathy Meder-Dempsey

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

52ancestors-2015This is my weekly entry for Amy Johnson Crow’s challenge:
52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks – 2015 Edition. It was so successful in 2014 that genealogists wanted to continue or join in on the fun in 2015. Be sure to check out the other great posts by visiting Amy’s blog No Story Too Small where she’ll be posting the weekly recap on Thurdays and allowing all participants to leave a link to their post(s) in the comments.