Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #67 John ROYALTY (b. bef. 1803-d. bef. 1850)

This photograph was printed by D. K. Walton in Rising Sun, Indiana. The photographer Daniel K. Walton was born about 1852 and was first seen with the occupation of photographer on the 1880 census at the age of 28.

MRIN38282 RoyaltyJohnCould this be a reproduction of a photograph taken in the 1840s? The stand up collar touching the cheek and the large wraparound bow tie suggest this period. The back of the photograph identifies the man as John ROYALTY.

MRIN38282 RoyaltyJohnbackJohn ROYALTY married Sarah LUNDERMON (1796-1870) on 3 February 1824 in Spencer County, Kentucky. They were the parents of Ellen ROYALTY (1824-1903), Hester Ann ROYALTY (1827-1910s), and Samuel L. ROYALTY (1829-1902). They named their only son after his maternal grandfather Samuel LUNDERMON. While writing this it dawned on me that Samuel L. ROYALTY’s middle name may have been Lundermon.

John and his little family may have lived in Washington County, Kentucky in 1830. A census record was found in the county which “fits” and includes an additional older woman. If this is the correct family group, John would have been a bit younger than his wife. The family hasn’t been found in the 1840 census and John may have died before 1850. His wife Sarah was found in the 1850, 1860, and 1870 census, years in which the status of a person was not included, and may have been widowed as John was not present.

If John ROYALTY named his first son after his father-in-law, were his daughters named after his mother-in-law and mother?

Getting back to the photograph, John’s oldest daughter Ellen lived in Rising Sun, Ohio County, Indiana, at the same time as the photographer D. K. Walton. Could she have had an earlier photo of her father reproduced?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #41 Minnie Campbell

This lady has a name but no other information is known about her.

CampbellMinniesmPhotographer: F.E. Johns, 55 E. Main Street, Lexington, Kentucky (in business in the 1880s until 1920s). Francis E. “Frank” Johns (1852-1943) was a printer in 1870; photographer in 1880, 1900, and 1920; no occupation in 1930.

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On the reverse side two different persons wrote the name, Minnie Campbell. Was this her maiden name or married name? How would you date this photo and estimate her year of birth?

More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #16 Charles W. ROYALTY (1861-1922)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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#16 Charles W. ROYALTY (1861-1922)

charlesttTintype, a cheaper form of photography, were not produced from a negative. Images were reversed, as if looking in a mirror. Notice in the above Charles’ jacket is buttoned left on right and hair parted on the left while in the photo below the jacket is buttoned right on left and his hair is parted on the right.

charlesfamilyCharles with his wife Lizzie M. WALTER and their son Alnie born in February 1888. Alnie appears to be about 5 which helps to date this photograph at around 1893-94.

Lizzie’s dress must have been made by a very experienced seamstress. I remember learning in my Home Ec sewing classes about placing patterns on the grain and marking patterns so plaids or stripes would match up. It seemed complicated at the time and plaids were usually avoided. The sleeves and bodice of Lizzie’s dress appear to have been bias cut to mould to the body.

On the 1900 census Charles was listed as a farmer and owned a mortgaged farm. By this time the family included a new member, daughter Fay who was born in 1897.

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Charles with his horse “Kimball”

The photo (above) was labelled with the name of his horse Kimball on the back (below).

charleshorsebackWhile researching the timeline of this family to date these photographs I learned Charles and Lizzie’s must have separated and divorced by 1910. Their daughter Fay ROYALTY age 12 was found with John B. and Elizabeth M. SCHULTE in Paducah, McCracken County, Kentucky. Fay was listed as stepdaughter of John who had married “Elizabeth” less than a year earlier. It was a second marriage for both of them.

Son Alnie was living in Monett, Barry County, Missouri, with his wife of 0 years, Theresa RICE. His father Charles has not been located in 1910 or 1920.

charlesalnieCharles (middle) with his son Alnie (right); unknown man on left. This was taken 1916 or earlier as Alnie was killed in a train accident on 14 July 1916. Just seeing things. So you can see us. Will try and send you a good picture soon.
Note: A correction to this photo description was made following Alnie’s grandson commenting on this post.

charlesalniebackMy or Pa’s adress for his mail is delivered to me. 817 4th St., Monett, MO. This message would suggest that Charles may have been moving around quite a bit. Beeing a horse lover he may have travelled around and worked as a blacksmith or farrier.

charlesblacksmithCharles (far right) in front of Greathouse Horse Shoeing with three unidentified men.

Following the death of his son Alnie, Charles may have moved to Iowa (after 1920) to be closer to his married daughter Fay. His ex-wife Lizzie was not mentioned in the obituary of son Alnie and may have died before 1916. Charles died 25 January 1922 in Oneida, Delaware County, Iowa, and is buried in the Fairview Cemetery in Earlville, Delaware County, Iowa. His daughter Fay died in 1925 and is buried in the same cemetery.

 Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #15 Mathilda J. “Tillie” ROYALTY (1859-1939)

 

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Tillie with her husband Tom and daughter Fannie ca. 1895

Tillie ROYALTY, daughter of Samuel ROYALTY and Joanna PALMER and sister of Florence ROYALTY, married Charles Thomas “Tom” WELLS about 1886, most likely in Pope County, Illinois. They were the parents of Charles Edgar WELLS b. 1886 and Frances “Fannie” WELLS b. 1892, both in Pope County. After the births of their children they were seen in Bedford County, Tennessee, in 1900 and in Johnson County, Illinois, in 1910.

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Tom and Tillie in early 1910s

 

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Tillie by herself ca. early 1910s, taken before move to California

Tom, Tillie and their children moved to California in the early 1910s, before 1915 when Tillie’s sister Florence visited them. They lived in San Luis Obispo County, California, in 1920 and 1930 when the census was taken.

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More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

Please contact me!
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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #13 Samuel L. ROYALTY (1829-1902)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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#13 Samuel L. ROYALTY (1829-1902)

How would you date this photograph?

samI’ve tried ignoring what I know about the person and concentrated on what he is wearing. Stand up collar with a wide gap on shirt, a neckcloth tied with what looks like a barrel knot, jacket with peaked lapels (as opposed to notched) without a buttonhole, and a vest with lapels. With his hair over the ears and no facial hair he looks to be in his 20s. Could this have been taken in the 1850s? Does the fashion fit the period?

This man has been identified as Samuel L. ROYALTY however the persons whose hands this photograph has passed through were unsure. Was this Samuel or his son Quincy?

backThere were several photos of Sam’s sons John Quincy ROYALTY and Charles W. ROYALTY in this collection but none of his oldest son Chester Ashley ROYALTEY. I’ve compared Quincy and Charles’ photos with this one and they are not the same men and the fashion trends are different. These will be shared in  later posts.

Samuel L. ROYALTY was the father of Florence ROYALTY and father-in-law of Isaac Spencer LILLIE. He was born in Kentucky in 1829. His mother was in Ohio County, Indiana, in 1850 with two of his married sisters. I have not located him in 1850. He married Joanna PALMER on 5 Apr 1856 in Ohio County, Indiana. They were in Randolph township when the 1860 census was enumerated. Samuel was in Rising Star, Indiana, at the time of the Civil War Draft Registration in 1863. Four of his children were born in Indiana. By 1866 he was living in Pope County, Illinois, where four more children were born. His wife died before 10 November 1874 when he married Johanna PADDOCK. He lived in Pope County until his death in 1902.

If this photograph was taken in the 1850s what was Samuel doing in Springfield, Missouri? Could this explain why he wasn’t found in the 1850 census?

I searched further for Samuel’s son Chester Ashley ROYALTEY (this son’s line changed the spelling of the name) for whom I don’t have any photographs. Imagine my surprise when I found him in Springfield, Greene County, Missouri, in 1900. Chester did a lot of moving around and lived in Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma. Is it only a coincidence Samuel had his photograph taken in Springfield when he was young and his son Chester was there in 1900?

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #10 LILLIE Family 1920 Reunion

In 1920 following the end of the World War, or The Great War as the Britons referred to it until the 1940s, Isaac and Florence LILLIE got the family together for a reunion in Pope County, Illinois. Tables were loaded with food for over forty guests.

tableA family group photograph was taken in front of the Isaac S. Lillie home.

reunionThis group photograph did not have any persons identified. While working with the photographs from Joe Rooney’s collection I’ve become familiar with some of the faces in this family. I was able to pick out Isaac and Florence in the very back. Their son Roy and Ike’s brother Tom in the back row. Tom’s wife Florence and Isaac’s brother-in-law Lyon Glass in the middle row. Do you remember Chester with his his big catch of fish? He would be the young man at the far left by the porch swing.

To compare photos I did a screen split and viewed photos side by side, zooming in on persons in the group photo. When I got to the next photograph I made an interesting discovery. Can you tell what it was?

smallgroupTen men and a woman are lined up in front of a bank as seen on the door behind persons #10 and #23. Joe Rooney labeled it “SamRoy3rdleft.” I compared photos of Samuel Royalty “Roy” Lillie, son of Isaac, with this photo and #5 is Roy. But who are the others?

I then noticed everyone in the lineup was also in the family group photo. More importantly, they were ALL wearing the same clothes. Could this photograph have been taken the same day as the reunion? With the exception of Roy, is it a lineup of the sons and daughter of Albert Spencer Lillie and Pernecia Elizabeth Glass?

When I made this discovery I emailed Joe explaining that I believed the lineup to be a photo of the Lillie brothers with their sister, with the exception of Roy. He then sent  another copy of the family group photo with names written in for 27 persons. It was his “working” copy. At one time while researching the family Joe had travelled around visiting the cemeteries and older living relatives. Joe first noticed the family group photo while visiting with his cousin Edna Elizabeth Lillie. He made a sketch and added names of people Edna identified. Then he went to visit Edna’s sister-in-law Marie Losnegard Lillie who was living in a nursing home. She was able to identify a few more people.

Joe agreed with my idea that the lineup was representative of the Lillie siblings. They are lined up from left to right, youngest to oldest. As Roy was a grandson and not of son of Albert and Pernecia we believe that he is standing in for Reuben D. Lillie b. 1891.

Joe wrote about Reuben’s absence, “Marie Losnegard told me that Reuben Lillie had been off to The Great War and decided to stay there and not return to the USA afterwards. I subsequently spoke to Edna Lang (Lillie) and she laughed and said Reuben Lillie robbed banks and went underground. The blacksheep.

Wouldn’t it be great to find out if this story of Reuben being a bank robber is true or false? I found he married in Bexar County, Texas, in 1918. Reuben and his wife were roomers in Nye County, Nevada, in 1920. His wife was identified on the “working” copy (see #18 below) but I wonder if she, a fairly new bride, would go the reunion without her husband. I found no trace of Reuben or his wife in 1930 and 1940. They simply disappeared after 1920.

Key to descendants of Albert Spencer LILLIE and Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS identified in family group photo as well as persons who may have been present but have not been identified. (click on link to see descendancy list)

keytophotoKey (identified persons in bold print)
1. Isaac Spencer Lillie b. 1872, husband of #2
2. Florence Royalty b. 1868, wife of #1
3. Neele Owens Lillie b. 1898, wife of #6 (UPDATED: 17 Nov 2016)
4. unidentified woman
5. Samuel Royalty Lillie b. 1895, son of #1 and #2
6. Robert Wiley Lillie b. 1895, brother of #1
7. John Calvin “Jack” Lillie b. 1883, brother of #1
8. Jesse Lyon Lillie b. 1893, brother of #1
9. George Wyte Lillie b. 1874, brother of #1
10. Thomas Nathaniel “Tom” Lillie b. 1881, brother of #1, husband of #22
11. Frank Greenberry Lillie b. 1877, brother of #1
12. Albert Preston Lillie b. 1887, brother of #1  OR Reese Gentry Lillie b. 1892, son of #1
13. Edward Bicourt “Ed” Lillie b. 1889, brother of #1
14. Chester Beryl Lillie b. 1900, son of #9
15. identified as Anna ? Lillie (poss. Annie Hester Mosley Lillie b. 1880, wife of #11)
16. unknown woman
17. unknown woman
18. Elizabeth Ruth Breitzka Lillie b. 1893, wife of Reuben Lillie
19. Green Berry Lyon Glass b. 1864, brother of #2
20. Allie D. Obermark Glass b. 1870, wife of #19
21. unknown woman (poss. Marie Green Lillie b. 1875, wife of #9)
22. Florence Sibbie Kaufman Lillie b. 1880, wife of #10
23. Rosa Lee Lillie Jeffords b. 1873, sister of #1
24. unknown woman
25. Jenava “Geneva” Mason Lillie b 1871, stepmother of #1
26. Eugene N. “Blue” Lillie b. 1906, son of #11
27. Eli Burton Lillie b. 1915, son of #11
28. Edgar Jacob Lillie b. 1914, daughter of Reese
29. Effie Florence Lillie b. 1912, daughter of Reese
30. boy (poss. Raymond Egbert “Splitty” Lillie b. 1904, son of #1)
31. Elsie E. Lillie b. 1909, daughter of #11
32. Ruth Joanna Lillie b. 1907, daughter of #1
33. Hazel Vickers Lillie b. 1897, wife of #8
34. identified as Verna Lillie (she was not born until 1927;  may be her mother Jessie Loretta McKellar Lillie b. 1890, wife of #7)
35. Ruby Pernecia Lillie b. 1909, daughter of #1
36. boy
37. girl
38. girl (poss. Elaine Lillie b. 1913, daughter of #11)
39. boy
40. girl (poss. Doris Lillie b. 1916, daughter of #8)
41. Edna Elizabeth Lillie b. 1917, daughter of Reese
42. child (girl or boy?)

Persons, listed oldest to youngest, who may be in the photo but not identified:
Marie Green Lillie b. 1875, wife of #9
Annie Hester Mosley Lillie b. 1880, wife of #11
Albert Preston Lillie b. 1887, brother of #1
Jessie Loretta McKellar Lillie b. 1890, wife of #7
Reese Gentry Lillie b. 1892, son of #1
Myra Stewart Lillie b. 1892, wife of #13
Pearl Eve Lillie b. 1896, daughter of #9
Neele Owens Lillie b. 1898, wife of #6
Thelma Holt Lillie b. 1901, wife of #5
Raymond Egbert “Splitty” Lillie b. 1904, son of #1
Emma Roxey Lillie b. 1906, daughter of #25
Bella P. Lillie b. 1907, daughter of #9
Charles W. Lillie b. 1908, son of #25
William Chester Lillie b. 1911, son of #13
Elaine Lillie b. 1913, daughter of #11
Edith Lillie b. 1913, daughter of #25
Anna Pernecia “Necie” Lillie b. 1913, daughter of of #13
Charles Lillie b. 1914, son of #8
Harlan J. Lillie b. 1914, son of #7
June Rozena Lillie b. 1916, daughter of #7
Edith M. Lillie b. 1916, daughter of of #13
Doris Lillie b. 1916, daughter of #8

No babies or very young infants are in the photograph. There were two children born 1918-1919. James E. Lillie b. May 1919 son of #13 and Florence Alberta Lillie b. Oct 1918 daughter of #7.

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More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #9 Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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#9 Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946)

With tomorrow being Mother’s Day these photos of Joe Rooney’s grandmother Florence ROYALTY are a natural choice for today’s post. The wife of Isaac Spencer LILLIE, Florence was the original owner of the collection of old photographs being featured in this series.

Florence was not quite 3 years old when her mother died and 6 years old when her father remarried. She was quite close to her ROYALTY family as well as her stepmother’s PADDOCK family as will be seen by the photographs to be featured in later posts in this series.

florence This tintype of young Florence was taken when she was about 5 or 6 years old (ca. 1874). Does she look angry or upset about something or was the look caused by her having to be still for her portrait?

floroyandikeThis late 1890s or early 1900s strip was included in the previous post. It shows what a beautiful woman Florence was in her thirties. Florence, alone, with her second son Roy, and with her husband Isaac.

florenceolderEven as she grew older she was elegant and lovely. They didn’t photoshop pictures in the 1920s, did they?

floandgirlsFlorence with her daughters Ruth (left, b. 1907) and Ruby (right, b. 1909) in the mid- to late ’20s. The Victorian fashion era was over. Mid-calf hemlines, as Florence is wearing, came in fashion in the late 1910s and stayed until about 1922. It was only in the early second half of the 1920s that the shorter hemlines came in fashion. Waistlines were dropping from the bustline in Victorian times to the natural waistline to the hips as seen here.

Sticking with the Mother’s Day theme, both of Florence’s daughters were named after their grandmothers: Ruth Joanna for her maternal grandmother Joanna PALMER (1833-1871) and Ruby Pernecia for her paternal grandmother Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899).

The back of the next photograph identifies the persons and the year it was taken:

floandikebackThis photograph, taken in 1930 of Florence with her husband Isaac, who died in 1932, was likely the last of them together. They are standing in the doorway of their home at 2120 Marantette in Detroit, Michigan. The address was also seen on the 1930 and 1940 census for the household Florence was living in.

floandikeHappy Mother’s Day Flo!

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #8 Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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#8 Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932)

Albert Spencer LILLIE and Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS married 29 April 1872 in Pope County, Illinois. Their first child Isaac Spencer LILLIE was born 26 November 1872 in Kentucky or Illinois. By 1872-1874 the little family had put down roots in Pope County, Illinois, where they made their home and welcomed ten more children into the family, a daughter and nine more sons.

The oldest son, Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932) married Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946) in Pope County, Illinois, on 28 October 1891. They were the parents of five  children who lived long lives. Florence gave birth to six children, one died before 1900 as reflected in her 1900 and 1910 census information.

Old Penny Pictures

envelope These snapshots were in an envelope with this label ~ old Penny Pictures of Roy, Ruth, Reese, Mom & Dad. There may be another term to better describe the photographs but I haven’t found it. They were most likely taken in the very late 1890s or very early 1900s.

ikeflorandreeseIsaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE with his wife Florence ROYALTY and with his oldest son Reese Gentry LILLIE (1892-1965).

floroyandikeFlorence (alone), with their son Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1972), and with her husband Ike.

IkeandroyIke (alone) and with his son Roy.

ikeandroywithframeThe photo of Isaac and Roy must have been a favorite as it was framed.

Their third son Raymond Egbert “Splitty” LILLIE (1904-1970) was born after this series of photos was taken.

Isaac and Florence also had two daughters, Ruth Joanna LILLIE (1907-1986) and Ruby Pernecia LILLIE (1909-1981). In the envelope with the penny photos, but taken about a half a dozen years later, was this cute photograph of Ruth which was also framed liked the one of Roy with his father Isaac.

ruthwithframeAs with the third son Raymond there was no photo (in this collection) of the youngest daughter Ruby during this time period. As the girls grew older more photos were taken of the inseparable sisters and will be featured at a later date as they were not part of the collection that was saved from the trash can.

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #5 Thomas Nathaniel “Tom” LILLIE (1881-1944)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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#5 Thomas Nathaniel “Tom” LILLIE (1881-1944)

Albert Spencer LILLIE and Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS most likely married about 1871 and had their first child in 1872 in Kentucky before moving about 1872-1874 to Pope County, Illinois, where they made their home and welcomed ten more children into the family, one girl and the rest boys. In the collection of old photographs scanned by Joe Rooney there were photos of two of the sons, several daughters-in-law, and even more of grandchildren.

Thomas Nathaniel LILLIE, also known as Tom, was their fifth child and fourth son. Following the 1900 census he married Fannie DAVIDSON (1880-1903). She was a year older than Tom. They most likely lived in Pope County, Illinois. There were no known children. Update: Joe Rooney contacted me a few hours after this was posted with information on children of this couple. Per his notes Tom’s sister-in-law Florence LILLIE was the attendant at the birth of twins, Fannie’s 2nd and 3rd child, Hal and Guy, on 29 January 1903.

glass1This photo of Tom and Fannie had to have been taken between 1900 and 1903 as Fannie died in 1903. It is my belief that it was taken on their wedding day. I found an article Weddings Through the Ages: From 1900s to Today that includes photos of bridal couples by decades. Even though Tom and Fannie were photographed from waist up their clothing is almost identical to the photos in the article for the 1900s. Fannie’s dress bodice with frills up to the shoulders giving the impression of accented shoulder flaps above puffy sleeves and Tom’s stand up wing tip collar, striped cravat, and wide lapels suit jacket appear to be formal attire suggesting a wedding picture.

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After Fannie’s death, Tom married Ethel SWEENEY (1885-1934) with whom he had two children, Bessie LILLIE born about 1905 and Raymond Linvel LILLIE (above) born on 18 March 1907 as seen on the back of this photograph. They lived in Vanderburgh County, Indiana, in 1910. Ethel and Tom divorced following the 1910 census and Ethel remarried in January 1911.

glass2In September 1918 when the World War I Draft Registration cards were filled out Tom was living in Springfield County, Ohio, and was married to his third wife (above) Florence Sibbie KAUFMAN (1880-1947).

glass4Tom enjoyed a good cigar.

glass3Tom and Florence in later years.

Tom and Florence didn’t have children. They lived in Clark County, Ohio, in 1920 and 1930 and moved before 1940 to Rutherford County, Tennesse where they both died in 1944 and 1947.

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #4 Mary, Daniel, and Lillie SMILEY

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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The collection of photographs scanned by Joe Rooney does not include a photograph of Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899). Pernecia was the daughter of Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) and his wife Rebecca NICHOLS (1824-1875). There are several photographs labelled with the surname GLASS. The following have been featured:

#2 Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) father of
#3 Green Berry Lyon GLASS (1864-1935) brother, brother-in-law and uncle of

#4 Mary Jane GLASS (1854-1930), Daniel Young SMILEY (1849-1935), and Pernecia Lillie SMILEY (1887-1931)

Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS had several sisters and one brother who died young. Mary Jane GLASS (1854-1930) was her only sibling to marry and have children. Mary Jane married Daniel Young SMILEY (1849-1935) about 1871.

glass5Mary and Dan had 8 children, 6 of whom were living in 1900 and 1910. They named their second daughter Pernecia Lillie SMILEY (1887-1931) after her aunt Pernecia LILLIE, wife of Albert. Of Mary and Dan’s children only this daughter, who went by Lillie, had a photo in this collection.

glass7Joe Rooney has kindly given me permission to feature these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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