Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #6 George Wyte LILLIE (1874-1943)

Albert Spencer LILLIE and Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS most likely married about 1871 and had their first child in 1872 in Kentucky before moving about 1872-1874 to Pope County, Illinois, where they made their home and welcomed ten more children into the family, one girl and the rest boys. In the collection of old photographs scanned by Joe Rooney there were photos of two of the sons, several daughters-in-law, and even more of grandchildren.

George Wyte LILLIE was Albert and Pernecia’s second born, the first child born in Illinois.

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The year 1895 written on the back of the photo (left) of G. W. LILLIE dates this photo at around the time George, age 21, married(1) Mary Belle STAFFORD (1876 – bef. 1917). They were the parents of three children. Their son Chester Beryl LILLIE (right) was born 11 September 1900 and died 1 March 1921. The photo of Chester with the fish may have been taken in the late 1910s. Can you also see the resemblance of father and son in these photos taken at about the same age?

George W. LILLIE was also married(2) Marie GREEN (1875-1929) in 1917. Almost immediately following her death he married(3) Jeanette (BALL) HILBISH (b. 1885 in England d. after 1943) about 1929 as they are seen together on the 1930 census as married. He did not have children with these wives.

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This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blog post in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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Links to previous posts in this series may be found in Old Photographs

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #5 Thomas Nathaniel “Tom” LILLIE (1881-1944)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

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Links to previous posts in this series may be found in Old Photographs

#5 Thomas Nathaniel “Tom” LILLIE (1881-1944)

Albert Spencer LILLIE and Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS most likely married about 1871 and had their first child in 1872 in Kentucky before moving about 1872-1874 to Pope County, Illinois, where they made their home and welcomed ten more children into the family, one girl and the rest boys. In the collection of old photographs scanned by Joe Rooney there were photos of two of the sons, several daughters-in-law, and even more of grandchildren.

Thomas Nathaniel LILLIE, also known as Tom, was their fifth child and fourth son. Following the 1900 census he married Fannie DAVIDSON (1880-1903). She was a year older than Tom. They most likely lived in Pope County, Illinois. There were no known children. Update: Joe Rooney contacted me a few hours after this was posted with information on children of this couple. Per his notes Tom’s sister-in-law Florence LILLIE was the attendant at the birth of twins, Fannie’s 2nd and 3rd child, Hal and Guy, on 29 January 1903.

glass1This photo of Tom and Fannie had to have been taken between 1900 and 1903 as Fannie died in 1903. It is my belief that it was taken on their wedding day. I found an article Weddings Through the Ages: From 1900s to Today that includes photos of bridal couples by decades. Even though Tom and Fannie were photographed from waist up their clothing is almost identical to the photos in the article for the 1900s. Fannie’s dress bodice with frills up to the shoulders giving the impression of accented shoulder flaps above puffy sleeves and Tom’s stand up wing tip collar, striped cravat, and wide lapels suit jacket appear to be formal attire suggesting a wedding picture.

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After Fannie’s death, Tom married Ethel SWEENEY (1885-1934) with whom he had two children, Bessie LILLIE born about 1905 and Raymond Linvel LILLIE (above) born on 18 March 1907 as seen on the back of this photograph. They lived in Vanderburgh County, Indiana, in 1910. Ethel and Tom divorced following the 1910 census and Ethel remarried in January 1911.

glass2In September 1918 when the World War I Draft Registration cards were filled out Tom was living in Springfield County, Ohio, and was married to his third wife (above) Florence Sibbie KAUFMAN (1880-1947).

glass4Tom enjoyed a good cigar.

glass3Tom and Florence in later years.

Tom and Florence didn’t have children. They lived in Clark County, Ohio, in 1920 and 1930 and moved before 1940 to Rutherford County, Tennesse where they both died in 1944 and 1947.

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #4 Mary, Daniel, and Lillie SMILEY

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
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The collection of photographs scanned by Joe Rooney does not include a photograph of Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899). Pernecia was the daughter of Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) and his wife Rebecca NICHOLS (1824-1875). There are several photographs labelled with the surname GLASS. The following have been featured:

#2 Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) father of
#3 Green Berry Lyon GLASS (1864-1935) brother, brother-in-law and uncle of

#4 Mary Jane GLASS (1854-1930), Daniel Young SMILEY (1849-1935), and Pernecia Lillie SMILEY (1887-1931)

Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS had several sisters and one brother who died young. Mary Jane GLASS (1854-1930) was her only sibling to marry and have children. Mary Jane married Daniel Young SMILEY (1849-1935) about 1871.

glass5Mary and Dan had 8 children, 6 of whom were living in 1900 and 1910. They named their second daughter Pernecia Lillie SMILEY (1887-1931) after her aunt Pernecia LILLIE, wife of Albert. Of Mary and Dan’s children only this daughter, who went by Lillie, had a photo in this collection.

glass7Joe Rooney has kindly given me permission to feature these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #3 Green Berry Lyon GLASS (1864-1933)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
Opening Doors in Brick Walls.

The collection of photographs scanned by Joe Rooney does not include a photograph of Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899). Pernecia was the daughter of Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) and his wife Rebecca NICHOLS (1824-1875). There are several photographs labelled with the surname GLASS.

#2 Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) was the father of

Green Berry Lyon GLASS (1864-1933)

Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS had several sisters and one brother who died young. Her brother Green Berry Lyon GLASS was married twice but did not have children. Find A Grave

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Joe Rooney has kindly given me permission to feature these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #2 Green B. GLASS (1820-1897)

This is a spin-off of my 52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can blogpost in which I featured a few photos from a collection of old photographs my 4C1R Joe Rooney shared with me. I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications, and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.”

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
Opening Doors in Brick Walls.

The collection of photographs scanned by Joe Rooney does not include a photograph of Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899). Pernecia was the daughter of Green B. GLASS (1820-1897) and his wife Rebecca NICHOLS (1824-1875). There are several photographs labeled with the surname GLASS. I will begin with Albert Spencer LILLIE’s father-in-law:

Green B. GLASS (1820-1897)

There were two photographs identified as Greene B. GLASS, born 20 February 1820 and died 11 February 1897. The oldest being this tintype:

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On the back “Lyon Glass” and “Father Greenberry Glass” was written in two different handwritings.

The second photograph of Green B. GLASS also has information from two different persons and confirms that this is the man of that name who died in 1897. Find A Grave

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Uncle Lyon mentioned on the back of this photo was the brother of Albert Spencer LILLIE’s wife Pernecia. His full name was Green Berry Lyon GLASS (1864-1933) and he will be featured in the next installment.

Joe Rooney kindly gave me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

Joe ROONEY wrote on 15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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52 Ancestors: #14 Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913) ~ Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can

Week 14 (April 2-8) – Favorite Photo: Who is in a favorite photo of yours? Or tell the story of the photo itself — where was it taken, what was the event?

With Easter weekend coming up, I was procrastinating, and I went off and did something completely different.

The family I had planned for this week was not quite finished. The information was in draft form and sources were cited. I had to write in details to make it an interesting read. Only I didn’t have a favorite photograph (or any at all) for the family to fit the proposed theme. Amy Johnson Crow says there is no 52 Ancestors police but I’m enjoying trying to fit the theme each week.

Did I mention how I was dawdling and dragging my feet? There are always things I want to get done and I usually find something more interesting to do instead.

Six weeks ago I received a zip file with 251 images of about 150 old photographs from my 4th cousin once removed, Joe ROONEY. His cousin Sandra LILLIE had saved them from the trash  can. Joe and I share my 4th great-grandparents Landon S. GOWING and Sally CRISP as ancestors. The story of how these old photographs came into his possession is included in this note he wrote:

15 February 2015: This collection of photographs was scanned at 300 dpi color by me. The original photos were sent by Sandra Lillie about ten years ago after she found them cleaning out a relative’s garage in Southern Illinois, finding no other takers (suckers). She believes they were a collection by L Vance Lillie. Many of the pictures seemed to be removed from frames or were in albums evidenced by fading characteristics and may have been from other’s collections. I scanned the reverse if there was laboratory advertising or writing. Some of the authors’ identification may be figured out of the handwriting matches. I did not scan the reverse of photos where there was only a three digit number that I believe to be sequence numbers on a roll of film. I didn’t spot any obvious helpful commonalities.

How do you choose your favorite photograph out of a 150 when many are of people who aren’t even in your database?

On Friday I was home alone (no interruptions) and decided to have a quick look through the photos and compare names with my database.

Cousin Joe derived file names from personal recognition or what was written on the reverse side. He used surnames first, given names next, and tried to find some means of differentiating photos of the same person by including detail: sitting, standing, wearing a hat, a date or some other detail from the photo. The pictures that were not identifiable he labeled with UNK and details.

I was able to match the most obvious LILLIE family members. Landon S. GOWING and his wife Sally CRISP’s daughter Martha C. “Martissa” GOWING married Wyatt F. LILLY in 1833 in Amherst County, Virginia. They moved to Caldwell County, Kentucky, where they raised 9 children. One son, Joe’s great-grandfather, Albert Spencer LILLIE, changed the spelling of his surname.

Albert S. LILLIE (1848-1913) is actually the closest relative in the entire batch of photos, being the nephew of my 3rd great-grandmother Clementine (Gowing) DEMPSEY. There were three photos of him in the batch along with scans of the reverse sides giving more information.

The first photo was taken when Albert was 22 years old.

ASLFour different persons wrote information on the back of this tinplate. In ink at the top: Albert S. Lillie. Directly below in pencil and very faded only the beginning of Albert can be read. In the center, again in pencil, A. S. Lillie 22 yrs. At the bottom, in yet another handwriting in ballpoint pen, Isaac Lillie father.

ASLbackIn the second photo of Albert S. LILLIE, he is with a woman. On the back Samuel Royalty LILLIE or his sister, Ruth J. LILLIE wrote, “My Grand Pa was going to marry Mrs. Roper But she died. Then he married Geneva.” From this information, the photo can be dated at between 1900-1904 as his first wife died in 1899 and he was married to Geneva MASON 6 years in 1910 as seen on the census.

aslroperMy favorite of the three is this one:

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Joe Rooney has kindly given me permission to use these photographs on my blog.

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Old Photographs Help Solve Relationships in Family Tree

While I worked through the other names, the pieces of the puzzle began to form a larger picture of the family tree. I ended up attaching nearly 120 photos to 51 persons in my database. About 30 photos remain, 10 with names, and the rest being unidentified persons.

Lynn Vance LILLIE and Joe ROONEY’s grandmother Florence ROYALTY, wife of Isaac Spencer LILLIE, appears to be the lady who plays the leading roll in the story of how these photos came to be collected. Not only did she collect photos of her siblings and their families, her husband Isaac Spencer LILLIE’s family, her mother-in-law Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS’s family,  but also of her stepmother Johanna PADDOCK’s family. I believe her children Samuel and Ruth who lived with her until her death in 1946 may have taken over her collection of photos which then went to Samuel’s son Lynn Vance LILLIE.

When Joe sent me the digital files he wrote, “Or I can mail the originals to you .” I didn’t take him up on offer as I didn’t know how serious he was. When I let him know how all the photos fit into his family tree he may be happy that he kept the originals.

I asked Joe about using the photos and he kindly wrote, Please use them at your will.  I feel it is keeping it in the family and don’t need credit.  If anything, I appreciate your evaluations, identifications and detective work.  I’m hopeful you and yours enjoy them.  On a blog, in a book, above a cloud.” So a spin-off of this blog post will be coming as I share the photos, one person at a time.

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Albert Spencer LILLIE
Parents: Wyatt F. LILLY and Martha C. “Martissa” GOWING
Spouse: Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS(*) and Geneva MASON
Children: Isaac S., George W., Frank G., Rosa L., Thomas N., John C., Albert P., Edward B., Reuben D., Jesse L., and Robert W.
Whereabouts: Caldwell County, KY; Trigg County, KY; and Pope County, IL
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 1st cousin 4 times removed

* Albert Spencer LILLIE
* son of Martha C. Martissa GOWING
* grandson of Landon S. GOWING
* nephew of Clementine M. GOWING
* 1C of Mary M. DEMPSEY
* 1C1R of Laura Belle INGRAM
* 1C2R of Fred Rothwell DEMPSEY
* 1C3R of Fred Roosevelt DEMPSEY
* 1C4R of Cathy Meder-Dempsey

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

52ancestors-2015This is my weekly entry for Amy Johnson Crow’s challenge:
52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks – 2015 Edition. It was so successful in 2014 that genealogists wanted to continue or join in on the fun in 2015. Be sure to check out the other great posts by visiting Amy’s blog No Story Too Small where she’ll be posting the weekly recap on Thurdays and allowing all participants to leave a link to their post(s) in the comments.

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