Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #75 A Group of Women

In the group photo below Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946), wife of Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932) was identified by her grandson Joe Rooney as the woman standing in the back row in front of the right side of the doorframe. No other persons have been identified.

unknowngroupwithflorenceroyaltylilie1 The digital copy I had of the photograph was not high quality and I could not zoom in on the faces. I got out the original and scanned it at 600 dpi which gave me a much larger file and image to work with. The images seen here are low resolution.

I used the auto adjust tool on PicMonkey to brighten it up a bit. The woman identified as Florence resembles the older Florence seen in the 1920 family reunion photograph.

unknowngroupwithflorenceroyaltylilie2All persons in the photo are female except perhaps the small child standing off to the right side. I wonder if this may be a little boy who sneaked into the picture. His face is blurred and the longer I look at it the more it seems like an optical illusion. He might have been caught while looking forward and then quickly turned his head away from the group.

I estimate from the clothing the women are wearing that this was taken in the 1890s. However, I have a photo of Florence from 1898 in which she looks much younger. Or maybe it is because her hair has a slightly puffy bouffant look below and is combed flat in the group photo.

floroyandikeCould the group photo have been taken in 1899 following the death of Florence’s mother-in-law Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899)? I considered this since the woman thought to be Florence appears to be wearing mourning. Could the dark clothes and the different hairstyle make her look so much older than in the photos taken a year earlier?

floingroupPuffy sleeves and slim sleeves. Bonnets and hats. High collars, square collars, round collars. Handbags and drawstring purses. A great variety of dresses. Did women’s fashion change so much during the 1890s?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #74 A Church Gathering of Unknown People

This group photo has no date, location, or names of the people. It was most likely taken in the 1950s. Being a child of the late 1950s it’s difficult for me to guess if this is early, mid, or even late fifties fashion.

mrin38268-lillieruthjchurchworkassy-rooney-collectionJoe Rooney, who labelled all the digital copies of the photographs, recognized his aunt Ruth Joanna LILLIE in the far back, in the middle of the doorway. Her hair is much lighter than in the 1950 photo we’ve seen of her with her brother Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE. Joe shared a photo with me of Ruth, her sister Ruby, and brothers Raymond and Reese from October 1960. Ruth’s hair in the photo is lighter colored and she is holding her head the same as in this closeup of the group photo.

ruthblowupI asked Joe where the building may be and which religion Ruth was associated with. He wrote, “ I don’t recognize the building, but it was my guess* and could be wrong. She participated in the Eastern Star as did Sandra Lillie. But their “reunions” often took place elsewheres, even in Michigan. I don’t know much about the organization.” *Joe is referring to his identifying the photo as  “LillieRuthJChurchWorkAssy.”

The photo from October 1960 will be included in a future post along with a series of pictures Joe shared with me of his mother Ruby with her sister Ruth. The series are from Joe’s family album and were not part of this collection of photographs rescued from ending up in a landfill.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #73 Ruth Joanna LILLIE, Part 2

Last week I shared the photograph of Ruth Joanna LILLIE as a little girl with pink cheeks and bows in her pigtails and as a young woman. There are more pictures of Ruth, the oldest daughter of Florence ROYALTY and Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE.

mrin38268-lillieruthj50thclass27-rooney-collectionHere she is, farthest right, with her classmates from the Class of 1927 with their 50th Anniversary cake in 1977. Ruth was born in April 1907. In 1940 on the census she was listed as having 4 years of high school education. Not having a college education this would have been her high school class.

mrin38268-lillieruthjbrookport-rooney-collectionRuth in front of her car at her home in Brookport, Massac County, Illinois.

Following last week’s post, Joe Rooney confirmed that Ruth and her husband Zach Swan remained married until his death. Speculation on this had come up in the comments of the last post due to the fact that this was Zach’s fourth marriage. The first three ended in a divorce due to cruelty and non-support, a suicide, and another divorce. Ruth and Zach were more successful in their marriage.

Joe also mentioned that Mr. Swan had a son from one of his previous marriages who “was in Brookport, Ilinois, for a while. I believe he moved away, maybe two decades ago, but that may be where Sandra Lillie found the collection of photographs.” Joe had been under the impression that Lynn Vance LILLIE, Ruth’s nephew, had been the owner of the collection. This sheds a new light on who Florence’s collection may have been passed on to. Maybe her daughter Ruth was the caretaker of the collection?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #72 Ruth Joanna LILLIE 1907-1986

ca-1910ruthjoannalillieThe photograph above was in this frame when I received the collection from my cousin Joe. There were also two smaller, black and white copies. One of them included the photographer’s identification number for reprints. I think this one was a reprint with color added. One of the smaller ones was framed in cardboard and was shared here.

The little girl with the pink cheeks and bows in her pigtails was Ruth Joanna LILLIE. She was the oldest daughter of Florence ROYALTY and Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE, born on 26 April 1907 in New Liberty, Pope County, Illinois. She had three older brothers and a younger sister would be born in 1909.

mrin38268-lillieruthj-rooney-collectionThis photograph was not dated. My guess is it was taken before World War II. There were several photographs of Ruth taken when her nephew Everett Isaac LILLIE was visiting his family while on furlow during the war.

On 22 April 1950, Ruth was photographed with her brother Samuel Royalty LILLIE. Six months later she married for the first time at the age of 43 years to Zach C. SWAN (1888-1965).

Mr. Swan had been married three times. Per the marriage license, his first marriage ended in divorce in 1930, his second marriage ended in 1932 with the death of his wife, and his third marriage ended in divorce on 9 October 1950. Two weeks later Ruth and Zach married on 23 October 1950. They were both residents of Detroit, Michigan, however, they married in Steuben County, Indiana. Further research showed the information given on the marriage license about his first and second marriage were not completely correct.

  1. First marriage: a Michigan divorce was filed by Donna Tillotson Swan on 27 May 1921 and was finalized on 3 November 1921. The alleged cause for divorce was extreme cruelty and non-support. It was not contested.
  2. Second marriage: Leona Dingfelder Swan died 15 January 1933 in Detroit of gunshot wounds to the abdomen, a suicide.

Zach C. Swan died in 1965 at the age of 77 years. When Ruth died in 1986 she was still using her married name, Swan.

Several more photographs of Ruth were in the collection and will be shared next week.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #71 Chester Beryl LILLIE 1900-1921

Chester Beryl LILLIE (1900-1921) was the only son of George Wyte LILLIE (1874-1943) and his first wife Mary Belle Stafford (1878-1915). Chester and his family were living in Kalamazoo as early as 1915, the year his mother died. They resided there until about 1918 when they went to live in Chicago. This photograph was likely taken before the move to Chicago. He is the young man on the left. The other two were not identified.

MRIN21945 UNK3malesUNKChesterUNKmaybeGlassRoyaltyLillie Rooney collectionAbout the photography studio

Bradley J. Fuller, the oldest of nine children, was the proprietor of Fuller Studio on 409 North Burdick Street in Kalamazoo, Michigan, from 1916 to 1917. His youngest brother Dana Simon Fuller took over in 1919. Which of the Fuller brothers took this portrait of these young men is not known.

MRIN21945 UNK3malesUNKChesterUNKmaybeGlassRoyaltyLillieback Rooney collectionChester was identified on the back of the photograph. He is the same young man seen in this photograph shared in Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #6 George Wyte LILLIE (1874-1943).

lillieChester was a tuberculosis patient at Fairmont Hospital in Kalamazoo on 12 September 1918 per his WWI draft card. His permanent address was 1504 East 62 St. in Chicago.

In 1920 Chester was enumerated twice on the census. He was in Chicago with his father, step-mother, and his two sisters on a census sheet dated 2 January. Chester was listed as working as a switchman for the railroad, the same occupation as his father George and his cousin Samuel Royalty LILLIE. He was also found in the Oak Forest Institution, Bremen Township, Cook County, Illinois, as a patient on an undated census sheet. The institution was enumerated on 67 sheets, the first few were dated 26 January. Chester may have only been home for the holidays.

On Tuesday, 1 March 1920, Chester died in Chicago. His body was transported to Kalamazoo for burial in Riverside Cemetery where his mother was buried. She also died of tuberculosis. His older sister Pearl Eva LILLIE died four months later and was buried in Riverside Cemetery. I have not found a death record with the cause of her death but suspect she may have also succumbed to tuberculosis.

Getting back to the two young men in the photograph with Chester. They appear to be at least 5 years older than Chester. Could they be friends or relatives? Reese Gentry LILLIE and Samuel Royalty LILLIE would be about the right age but there are no photos of Reese to compare with. Roy’s eyes were darker than the young man on the right although he does resemble Roy due to the way his hair is combed.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #70 Bill BROWN

This photograph was identified on the back as Bill Brown. Nothing further was written to pinpoint where and when the photo was taken. A relationship to George H. Brown 1872-1929 featured last week is unlikely as both George and his brother John did not have sons or grandsons. BrownBill Rooney collectionThe rod iron fence in the background may help to identify the location the photograph was taken at. There are several two and three-story buildings behind the bare leaved trees. Was it fall or spring?

Bill isn’t wearing a coat over his suit and tie. His suit pants are wide in the hips and narrow down at his shoes. They appear to have a large cuff. Bill is posing with his hands in his pants’ pockets making it difficult to tell the length of his jacket or if it is double or single breasted.

BrownBillback Rooney collectionWhat time period do you think this was? Is the location familiar to anyone?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #69 George H. Brown 1872-1929

George H. BROWN was born on 11 March 1872 to Orilla C. SCHUCHARD and John R. BROWN. His mother passed away between 1872-1878. George resided in Columbus, Pope County, Illinois, in 1880 with his father, stepmother Maggie RUBLE, and half-brother John R. His father John R. passed away on 30 October 1884 at the age of 41. George married Anna Mary BARNES in 1894 when he was 22 years old. They had one child during their marriage. Their daughter Anna Idell was born on 2 March 1898 in Paducah, Kentucky, where the family resided in 1900 nad 1910. George lived in Carbondale, Illinois, in 1920. He died on 24 June 1929 in Detroit, Michigan, at the age of 57, and was buried in Carbondale, Illinois.

BrownGeorgebrotherofJohnfrontGeorge BROWN ca. 1890

BrownGeorgebrotherofJohnbackGeorge BROWN, brother of John “Pid”

This is how I identified George H. Brown

Written on the back of the photograph was the only information I had to identify the young man featured today. Since many of the actors in this mystery series (a.k.a. people who have been featured in Florence’s collection) were from Pope County, Illinois, I took the chance and searched for George Brown with a brother named John in Pope County in all collections on Ancestry. georgebrownresultThe top result was for George H. Brown b. abt. 1872 in Illinois, living in Columbus, Pope County, Illinois.

1880censusbrownpopeillOnly the persons highlighted in the image above were shown in the indexed household. They were not the only persons living in the same household as the Brown family. The head of household was a hotel keeper and dry goods merchant. A half brother of the head of household was also living with the family. The importance of looking at the images and following other persons in the household was seen as I continued the search.

It would appear that George H. age 8 and John T. age 2 were the sons of John R. Brown age 37 and his wife Maggie age 23. But wait, Maggie would have been 15 years old at the time of George’s birth. Is she his mother or not?

  1. I searched for George’s father in previous census listings. Since John T. Baldwin was listed as a half brother I used this information to narrow the search. This led to all census listings for John Baldwin from 1860 to 1930, his marriage to Ida Ellis who was seen on the same 1880 census listing, and his death record. George’s father was with John Baldwin in 1860. It is not possible to tell if the head of household was his stepfather or if the woman listed next was his mother as relationships are not given.
  2. I searched for George’s brother John T. Brown who turned out to be John R. Brown. He married Allie Steagall about 1902 and had several of her sisters in his household in 1910. One of the sisters was the widow of John Jay Hardin Hodge, a brother of Anna Mae Hodge. This looked promising. A connection to another person in Florence’s collection. John’s SS application (index) showed his parents were John R. Brown and Maggie Ruble.
  3. I searched for more information on Maggie Ruble Brown. A marriage record for John R. Brown and Maggie Ruble showed they married 1877 in Pope County, Illinois. This meant George Brown was most likely not a child of this marriage. John appears to have died and Maggie married William J. Reeves in 1894. By 1900 Maggie was once again widowed per the 1900 census. Her occupation was “Post Master” and boarding with her was Samuel L. ROYALTY. Another connection to the collection as Sam was Florence’s father.
  4. The fact that Maggie Ruble Brown was a postmaster led to the appointments of U.S. Postmasters database. This showed John R. Brown was appointed postmaster of Wool on 30 April 1872, his half-brother John T. Baldwin on 15 December 1884, and his wife/widow Maggie Brown on 2 Jan 1885. On 27 August 1892 Wool became Brownfield and Maggie Brown was still postmaster.
  5. Maggie Ruble Brown Reeves married Dr. Thomas Jefferson Rich about 1903 and lived in Anna, Union County, Illinois, in 1910 through 1940. She died in Anna in 1948.

I found information on George’s father, stepmother, half-brother, and uncle but what about George. Since the family lived in Wool, later known as Brownfield, I added this to the search criteria for George H. BROWN b. abt. 1872 in Brownfield.

top2hintsgeorgehbrownThis added a death certificate to the top matching records. The death record led to the Find A Grave memorial of George H. BROWN, his wife Anna Mary and his daughter Anna Idell. The daughter’s FAG page included this statement, “Next to her parents, G. H. Brown and Annie Brown. Besides her mother, she was also survived by her grandmother, Mrs. Rich of Anna, and an uncle John R. Brown of Benton.” This backed up the information I found while researching the family group and confirmed George H. BROWN was the right person even though his birth information on FAG did not match the death certificate.

1929georgehbrowndeathThe death certificate confirms George H. Brown was the son of John R. Brown of Brownfield and Ourell Schuhard of Gall (sic) County, Illinois. As I suspected, Maggie Ruble was not his mother.

George’s mother was seen as Orilla Schuchard in the household of John V. Schuchard and Catherine Young of Golconda in Pope County, Illinois.  She married John R. Brown on 1 June 1868 in Pope County.

georgehbrownfamilytreeGeorge H. BROWN’s only grandchild did not have children. His stepmother Maggie RUBLE married three times and had only one son, John R. BROWN who did not have children. There are no descendants to confirm the sad looking young man in the photograph above was George H. BROWN of Brownfield. Close in age to Florence born in 1868, she may have known George BROWN as the young boy who was orphaned at the age of 12 and lived with the postmaster, who was his stepmother, and his half-brother.  Am I grasping at straws or do you think I’ve identified this young man correctly?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #68 Portrait of a Man with Beard

In the collection my cousin Joe Rooney sent to me there were two copies of the photograph I am sharing today of a bearded man. It took me a while to identify him. Bear with me while I work through this.

UNKGlassRoyaltyGBLTillie Rooney collectiontinyThe photographer Theodore C. Marceau per Wikipedia “pioneered the creation of a national chain of photographic studios in the United States in the 1880s.” I found an interesting biography of the photographer Marceau on Broadway Photographs. He lived in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1885-1886 and first went into a partnership with another photographer named Bellsmith around this time. Cabinet cards found online for the the studio in Cincinnati had Marceau Bellsmith as the photographer’s logo. I believe this photograph was one of Marceau’s early works and likely taken around 1885 before he partnered with Bellsmith.

The bearded man in this photograph was not a very young man and yet not old. The beard does not show any graying. The thinning of his hair would suggest he might have been in his 30s or 40s.

The backs of the photographs read:

Theo C. Marceau
The Leading Fotografer
Successor to Van Loo
148 West Fourth St.
Cincinnati

Also on the backs are dedications. The first reads, “To Uncle Sam – R.G.L.”

UNKPortraitmanbeardback Rooney collectionThe second, “To cousin Tillie R.G.L.” and a number “77030R” which could be for ordering duplicates.

UNKGlassRoyaltyGBLTillieback Rooney collectionBoth dedications were written by the same person, likely an adult. But who was R.G.L.?

Uncle Sam and cousin Tillie are a perfect fit for Samuel L. ROYALTY (1829-1902) and his daughter Mathilda J. “Tillie” (Royalty) WELLS (1859-1939). My problem is I don’t have a niece or nephew for Samuel with the initials R.G.L. The dedication on the back of the cabinet card to Uncle Sam would have to have been written before his death in 1902.

I slowly went through all the digital images of the fronts and backs of all photographs in the collection searching for the same handwriting. There are 250 items in the digital file.

carrieback2carrieback

These are the backs of two identical photographs of Caroline “Carrie” ENOCH, daughter of Ellen ROYALTY, oldest sister of Samuel L. ROYALTY. Sam’s niece and Tilly’s cousin.

When I shared Carrie’s portrait I had little information on her and was unable to locate her in any census after 1870. The backs of her photos suggested a marriage to a LANGLEY or LANGSTON. After writing about her photograph last November my cousin Joe posted several comments about her having been married at least three times. This led to the census enumerations in 1900, 1910, 1920 with her 2nd husband and in 1930 with her 3rd husband. I have not gone back to check on the 1940. All three of her marriages took place  in Hamilton County, Ohio:

Robert G. LANGSDALE 1851-1920

Carrie’s first husband’s initials were R.G.L. Here is a biographical sketch from the History of Dearborn and Ohio Counties, Indiana, 1885.

1885historyofdearbornandohiocountiesp808-809R. G. LANGSDALE, M.D., a popular druggist and pharmacist, Rising Sun, is a native of Kentucky, born in 1851. He was educated at Moore’s Hill College, and for seven years was engaged in teaching “the young idea how to shoot.” In 1879 he entered the Ohio Medical College, of Cincinnati, and took a thorough course in the study of medicine, graduating March 4, 1881. He then sold out his interest in the drug business at Florence, Ind., and located in the same year in Rising Sun. In January, 1882, he purchased a stock of drugs of B.F. Buchanan, and, since that date, has done a good business in the drug line, keeping a full stock of goods peculiar to the trade. Dr. Langsdale began the study of medicine with Drs. Fairhurst & Mantle, of Vincennes, Ind., and later, with Dr. J.M.W. Langsdale, of Florence, Ind.  He now confines his professional services to city practice exclusively. In the fall of 1885 Dr. LANGSDALE was married to Miss Carrie Enochs, one of the most prepossessing young ladies of Rising Sun.
[Source: History of Dearborn and Ohio Counties, Indiana, 1885 online https://archive.org/stream/historyofdearbor00chic#page/n5/mode/2up]

Carrie and Robert’s marriage did not last. Carrie remarried in 1900 and Robert in 1906. Neither had children.

Before you leave, please take a moment to scroll back up to the top and meet Dr. Robert G. Langsdale.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #67 John ROYALTY (b. bef. 1803-d. bef. 1850)

This photograph was printed by D. K. Walton in Rising Sun, Indiana. The photographer Daniel K. Walton was born about 1852 and was first seen with the occupation of photographer on the 1880 census at the age of 28.

MRIN38282 RoyaltyJohnCould this be a reproduction of a photograph taken in the 1840s? The stand up collar touching the cheek and the large wraparound bow tie suggest this period. The back of the photograph identifies the man as John ROYALTY.

MRIN38282 RoyaltyJohnbackJohn ROYALTY married Sarah LUNDERMON (1796-1870) on 3 February 1824 in Spencer County, Kentucky. They were the parents of Ellen ROYALTY (1824-1903), Hester Ann ROYALTY (1827-1910s), and Samuel L. ROYALTY (1829-1902). They named their only son after his maternal grandfather Samuel LUNDERMON. While writing this it dawned on me that Samuel L. ROYALTY’s middle name may have been Lundermon.

John and his little family may have lived in Washington County, Kentucky in 1830. A census record was found in the county which “fits” and includes an additional older woman. If this is the correct family group, John would have been a bit younger than his wife. The family hasn’t been found in the 1840 census and John may have died before 1850. His wife Sarah was found in the 1850, 1860, and 1870 census, years in which the status of a person was not included, and may have been widowed as John was not present.

If John ROYALTY named his first son after his father-in-law, were his daughters named after his mother-in-law and mother?

Getting back to the photograph, John’s oldest daughter Ellen lived in Rising Sun, Ohio County, Indiana, at the same time as the photographer D. K. Walton. Could she have had an earlier photo of her father reproduced?

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Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #66 Cousin Bait Success Story

I’ve been writing about and sharing photographs from this collection since April 2015. During this time I’ve heard from three persons who recognized their ancestor or ancestors in the photos.

I want to tell you about the most recent one. Scot Holt wrote to me via private message to my Facebook page Opening Doors in Brick Walls. He recently began working on his family tree. His mother is a LILLIE and he’d found my post on his great-great-grandfather Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913). He descends from Albert through the son of the youngest son Robert Wiley LILLIE (1895-1947) and knew very little about the LILLIE side of the family. My problem was that I had a marriage and two daughters for Robert but no son. In fact Robert was missing in the 1930 and 1940 census. His wife was found in with their oldest daughter in 1930 and 1940 but the second daughter was missing in 1930. If one daughter was missing in 1930, was it possible other children were missing? On the other hand, could Scot be barking up the wrong tree?

I checked and found his grandfather Robert Walton LILLIE at the age of 3 years in the 1930 household of his uncle and aunt Ray and Clara OWENS. This had to be him as Robert Sr.’s wife was Neele Audrey OWENS. I would have to look into the OWENS family to see if Neele and Ray were siblings but it looked like Scot was on the right track.

Scot wrote back, “This is definitely him. I looked at your page and my mom has a similar picture of Neele Audrey Owens” and promised to dig through a box of stuff his grandma left him to see if he could get some more information for me.

Less than five hours later he wrote, “Thought you might like to see this picture. It’s all of Albert’s children, minus one.

MRIN21907 1920 Lillie Reunion photo of the 11 children courtesy of Scot HoltYou know what’s coming? A genealogy happy dance!

You might remember my post on the 1920 LILLIE Family Reunion in which I included the same photograph:

smallgroupTen men and a woman were lined up in front of a bank. My cousin Joe Rooney had labeled it “SamRoy3rdleft.” When I was working on the post I compared photos of Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE, son of Isaac, with this photo and #5 was Roy. But who were the others?

I noticed everyone in the lineup was also in the family group photo and wearing the same clothes. It had to have been taken the same day as the reunion and, with the exception of Roy, it looked like a lineup of youngest to oldest (left to right) of the sons and only daughter of Albert Spencer Lillie and Pernecia Elizabeth Glass. Cousin Joe agreed with my idea and we came to the conclusion that Roy was standing in for Reuben D. LILLIE who was the family black-sheep and had gone underground after robbing banks – at least according to one cousin’s version!

My new cousin Scot, 5th cousins through Landon S. GOWING and Sally CRISP, not only sent me his copy of the photo above but also a view of the back.

MRIN21907 1920 Lillie Reunion back of photo of the 11 children courtesy of Scot HoltOn the left side:

Left to Right
1. Robert W. Lillie
2. Jess Lillie
3. Roy Lillie – standing in for Rueben (sic) Lillie
4. Ed Lillie
5. Bert Lillie
6. John Lillie
7. Tom Lillie
8. Rose Lillie
9. Frank Lillie
10. George Lillie
11. Ike Lillie – Roy Lillie is Ike’s son

On the right side:

Children of
Albert Lillie born 1847 KY
&
Pernecie Lillie born 1851 KY
mad. (sic., maiden) name Glass
Lillie Brothers & Sister

Scot’s copy of the back of the photograph proves my labeling of the picture was right on the money!

This side of the family has always been a bit of a mystery so I’m very excited to share information with you or anyone else who would like to get in touch with me.~ Scot Holt

Even though Scot says the Lillie side of the family has been a mystery he had been told there was an uncle who went to prison. This fit in well with the story of why Reuben was missing at the 1920 family reunion. Now all we need is for another cousin to take the bait and get in touch with the answer to this mystery.

bestwishescathy1

More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
Opening Doors in Brick Walls.

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