Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #91 A Series of Brick Wall Photos

The photographs I’m sharing today were taken with a brick wall as the backdrop. None are labeled but in the first, I recognize Florence ROYALTY and her brother-in-law George Wyte LILLIE. I don’t know who the woman in the middle is. There were two copies of this photo in the collection, one had June 14 written across the top but no year.

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George Wyte LILLIE, an unknown woman, and Florence ROYALTY

For comparison here are two photos taken around 1930. Definitely, before 19 November 1932 as this is when Isaac died.

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Isaac LILLIE (1872-1932) with his wife Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946)
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Isaac and Florence’s sons Raymond (1904-1970), on the left, and Roy (1895-1979), on the right, with their uncle George Wyte LILLIE (1874-1943) in the middle.

 

The above two photos were taken in Detroit, Michigan, in front of the apartment building the family was living in. Although the coat with the fur collar worn by Florence and the light colored hat with the dark band worn by George appear to be the same, the second set of photos were most likely not taken on the same day. George in the top photo is wearing a tiny bow tie while in the lower right photo he is wearing a tie. In both pictures, he has a cigar in his hand. Also as the copy of the top photo was labeled June 14 it is very unlikely that the other two photos were not taken in the middle of June since the men are so warmly dressed.

Perhaps the next two photographs could be clues to identify the woman in the middle in the photograph at the top. Could she be the mother of the three children in these photos?

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Three unknown children (sitting)
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Three unknown children (standing)

Using the bricks as a guide I estimated the height of the children. From left to right, the oldest girl is 17-18 bricks=51-54 inches, the young boy is about 12 bricks=36 inches, and the younger girl is 15-16=45-48 inches. This matches with my estimates of their ages being from youngest to oldest, about 2 1/2, 5, and 7-8 years.

I’ve gone through the LILLIE family tree looking for siblings who were born in the 1920s. The only family group I found which would match was the family of Isaac’s youngest brother Robert Wiley LILLIE (1895-1947) with his wife Neele Audrey OWENS (1898-1942) and their children Roberta Neele b. Oct 1921, Marian Gene b. Aug 1924, and Robert Walton b. Jan 1927.

Roberta’s photo was shared in Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #7 Robert Wiley LILLIE (1895-1940).

I found a yearbook photo of Marian in the U.S., School Yearbooks, 1880-2012 database at Ancestry.

U.S. School Yearbooks, 1880-2012, (Ancestry.com : accessed 28 February 2017)

I shared the photos with Robert Walton LILLIE’s daughter Julie back in December hoping to get them into a post at the end of the year. She wrote, “Cathy, I have never seen this picture before, and in my opinion, they don’t look like my Dad and (his) sisters. But, I could be wrong. Let me send to my sister and see if she recognizes it. I will get back to you.” After sharing with her sister she wrote, “My sister didn’t recognize the picture either, nor did she think it was them. But, neither one of us is 100% sure.”

I still think the children could be an older Roberta, her sister Marian, and their little brother Robert. I sent a new request to Julie to take a look at the lady in the middle in the top photo.

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Robert and Marian. Photograph courtesy of family member.

Julie got back to me and sent some photographs including the above for comparison. I believe the children’s blond hair darkened over the years. This would explain the darker hair of the older girl in the photo of the three children. Is she the same person as Roberta seen with the cute blond haircut? Between the time the bottom photo of Robert and Marian was taken and Marian’s picture for the school yearbook, her hair darkened. Alas, Robert and the young boy were not very good studies in either photo. The one above, sent by Julie, shows Robert a bit older than the little boy in the photo with the girls but the cute newsboy cap hides his eyes. In the pictures with the girls, the young boy is looking down, hiding his face.

While we were chatting, Julie told me something I did not know. My research on Robert Sr. and his wife Neele was difficult, to say the least. I never found them together on a census. They were married on 10 April 1920. In 1930 Neele and her oldest daughter Roberta were lodgers in a household. No trace of daughter Marian and husband Robert. I had no idea there was also a son Robert until Julie’s son contacted me.

I have never understood why my Father had to go live with his Uncle Ray and Aunt Clara. I don’t remember my Dad ever explaining it to me, and perhaps he didn’t know for sure. Neele and Robert were married twice and divorced twice. I know my Dad had a rough childhood…..My father seemed to adore his Mother, but not a lot of talk or praise of his Father…..don’t worry about bringing up skeletons, as I am perfectly aware that there are many.

Since we now know Robert and Neele’s marriage had its difficulties, I want you to take another look at the photo at the beginning of this post with the young woman in the middle between George and Florence. Do you notice what I noticed? I have to admit I didn’t see this until I looked at the second copy I have of the same photo which is dated June 14 (without a year).

Is the young woman pregnant? If this was Neele, what happened to the child? Could she have given birth while in Detroit? If this isn’t Neele, would it be possible to find a woman who gave birth sometime after June 14th?

Will someone recognize the children and the young woman in this series of photos taken in front of a brick wall? Are they Neele Audrey Owens Lillie and her children Roberta Neele, Marian Gene, and Robert Walton?

Photos of Neele were shared in Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #79 The Unusual Hairdo (Identified).

These are the last of the photographs from the collection I was gifted by my cousin Joe Rooney who took them off the hands of his cousin Sandra Lillie who saved them from the trash can. I will be taking a week or two off from writing about this collection but will be back with a final post, a synopsis of the family connections made during the process of writing about each of the over 150 photos.

Would you like to re-visit the photos? You can see them on my Pinterest board Old Photographs Saved from Trash Can.

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More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

Please contact me!
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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #89 Everett Isaac LILLIE (1915-1944)

At one point, while doing these posts, I had to develop a system to keep track of the photographs which had been used in posts and those which still needed to be shared and written about. I keep my cousin Joe Rooney’s original scans with his naming system in a folder. Copies with my own naming/numbering system are in my Genealogy folder – where I keep all images, documents, etc. with unique MRINs. I also created a temporary folder: !NOT USED old photos. As it contains copies, I can easily delete each photograph as it is featured in a post.

There are very few photos left in the temporary folder. As I was looking  through it in preparation for a new post I noticed something about this young man.

unkmanovercoatbrickwallThe man is not identified on the back of the photo. He is wearing an overcoat and hat with a cigarette in his right hand and holding a bag in his left. The location it was taken at is familiar. The brick wall behind him is not straight. There are two and a half bricks and then the wall juts out at a tiny angle. The same as in the photos below.

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It is in front of the apartment Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1979) rented at 2122 Marantette St. in Detroit, Michigan. The address is known from photographs taken about 1930 when the house number was still on the building. It is also the address at which Roy, his mother Florence, his brother Raymond, and his sister Ruth lived when the census was taken in 1930 and 1940.

In the next photograph, we see Florence with her sons Roy and Raymond on the right and a young man in uniform on the left. This young man, holding a cigarette in his right hand, is Everett Isaac LILLIE. The cigarette is what made me take a closer look at the unidentified man in the photo at the top of this post and all photos of Everett.

lilliefloroyraymondandmaybeeverettOn Memorial Day 2015 I wrote about Everett Isaac LILLIE (1915-1944), son of Reese Gentry LILLY (1892-1965) and Dovie DEEN (1894-1918). Everett’s grandparents were Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932) and Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946).

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Everett with his aunt Ruth Joanna LILLIE (1907-1986)
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Ruth and Everett posing with an unidentified woman.

Everett married before going to Europe to fight during World War II leaving a pregnant wife. No marriage record has been found for them and she remains unknown. Note: The unidentified woman above is older and cannot be his wife.

In Everett’s 1944 obituary his wife and daughter are mentioned as living in New Jersey but were not named. He never knew his daughter Patricia M. LILLIE (1944-2012) who was born two months after his death. She was seen as Patricia M. KENNEDY when she married Ronald R. GHAGAN (d. 1985) in 1976 in South Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut. It is not known if she had children, grandchildren of Everett Isaac LILLIE who died serving his country.

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and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #84 Unknown Couple abt. 1894 (Part II)

unkcoupleUnknown Couple abt. 1894
Photo type: Cabinet Card
Card size: 4 1/4″ x 6 1/2″
Card color: cream
Card edges: plain cut, rounded corners
Border: single thin line
Front imprint: artistic gold print
Back imprint: none
Photographer: O. H. Talbott of South Side Square, Girard, Kansas
Scan: auto adjusted

After publishing last week’s post, several of my readers left comments which led to the necessity to re-think my post and write an update.

The Identity of the Man in the Photograph

My cousin Joe was the first person to comment on my post last week.

As my Mother would say “I swanee” that looks like Quincy Royalty as a young adult. Referring to the portrait taken in Kansas as well. His hair being parted on the other side might be an image reversal, but it sure looks like him.

Joe had me comparing the photo of young John Quincy Royalty (1866-1918) and checking his timeline. The photo on the left is a flipped closeup of John as Joe thought one of the two images may have been a reversed image.

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Side by side, do they resemble each other? The identity meter on PicTriev, will compare two faces and show one of four results: from the same person, nearly from the same person, quite look-alike, and from different persons. The comparison of the above two pictures brought back from different person.

Using the similarity meter on PicTriev, I compared the above two pictures and got 78% similarity. This is more or less the same results I obtained using PicMonkey’s fade tool to compare the two overlapping photos. This was not as easy as it appears as the angle to the camera was not the same in the two photos. The positions of the mouth, nose, eyes and hairline are close matches.

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The light looking eyes of the couple in the photo made me wonder if the soft tones were showing the true appearance of the couple. Quincy’s eyes appear much darker. If there was an image reversal, it would more likely be the couple photo as Quincy has his part on the same side when photographed in Kansas and in New Mexico.

The Identity of the Woman in the Photograph

Last week I wondered if the woman may have been the same person as the young girl on the left in this photo. The similarity meter showed 42% resemblance. Vera Marie Badertscher of Ancestors in Aprons explained this better than I could.

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Irene [surname unknown] (left) and Olive Royalty

I don’t see the resemblance to Irene. Although we can only see one ear in the younger lady, it sticks out slightly, and the woman in the top photo has small, flat-to-the-head ears. The mouth of the younger girl doesn’t look wide enough, either.

Vera brought up some good points about the younger girl and the woman not resembling each other. She also wrote:

I was really struck by what a sweet-looking young man that is. Worth tracking down. Is there a history of that county of Kansas in the late 1800’s-early 1900’s? The young man looks younger than the woman to me. She could almost be his mother.

As mentioned above, Joe thought the man may be John Quincy Royalty. He was a schoolteacher in Kansas before 1900 and there is no known marriage for him. His mother died about 1874 and his stepmother died in 1892 at the age of 62 so Vera’s theory of a mother and her son wouldn’t work.

If not mother–older sister?

Quincy had three sisters who were living around this time. Tillie, Florence, and Olive. The three were married by 1892. Could one of them have traveled to Kansas and had her photo taken with him? Could the photograph have been taken earlier? I used the similarity meter on PicTriev to compare the young woman with Quincy’s sisters.

The similarity meter on PicTriev came up with a 93% match on the young woman and Tillie and same person for the identity. The photo of Tillie (bottom) was taken about 1895. Are they the same woman?

womansmalltilliesmallJust for fun, I compared the unknown man and the unknown woman. They have an 86% resemblance according to this tool. This is even higher than the resemblance between the unknown man and Quincy. The resemblance of the woman with Florence was 66% and with Olive was 69%.

One last thought, is the brooch worn by Tillie above the same as the one worn by the unknown woman on the left? I got out both of my magnifying glasses and had a closer look. They are not the same. The unknown woman’s brooch looks almost like letters and Tillie’s is a bit larger.

magnifyingglassAre the unknown man and woman, brother and sister? Could they be John Quincy and Mathilda J. “Tillie” ROYALTY?

A Little More Help

Luanne Castle of The Family Kalamazoo made some interesting comments about the man’s collar or lack of collar.

So interesting that he wears no collar in that first pic! Would it be because he couldn’t afford a new collar and his old one was ruined or lost or something?

I thought it was more of a trend to not wear the collar.

Hmm, maybe .. . . But I know it was hard for men to get collars sometimes. They always had to budget for them.

Comments like these make me want to learn more about vintage photography and fashion of the times. Luanne has a wonderful collection of old photographs and postcards on her blog. I need to take another (closer) look at hers and mine. You see things differently when you become more interested in learning about them.

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and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #82 A Young Florence ROYALTY?

I nearly missed this photograph, it is so tiny. It was first scanned by my cousin Joe along with an envelope in which I found it. Stamp size, it measures 1 1/8 by 1 3/8 inches.

unkportraityounggirlenvThe young girl looks to be in her early teens. Her hair is tied back at the nape of her neck with a large bow, likely out of the same material as her dress. Her eyes are very light colored, possibly blue. Her dress or blouse may be white or a light color and has a high collar. The extra fabric on the top part of the bodice appears to have vertical pleats sewn down and then left open in the bosom area. The sleeves are a bit puffy in the upper arms; the lower arms are not seen in the photo. Were they bishop sleeves or gigot sleeves?

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Non-identified photograph of a young girl in her teens.

Could this photograph have been taken in the middle or late 1880s?

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Ruth Joanna LILLIE ca. 1909.

The dress looks very much like the one Ruth Joanna LILLIE was wearing in this framed portrait. Was the original dress saved and made to fit Ruth or is she wearing a reproduction of the dress? Ruth was the oldest daughter of Florence ROYALTY and Isaac Spencer LILLIE.

Could the young woman be Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946)? We’ve seen photographs of Florence at different ages but none in her teens.

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Florence at age 5 or 6 years with light colored hair.
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Florence, with her husband Ike, is in her late thirties and her hair has become darker.

Another possibility would be Florence’s sister Mathilda J. “Tillie” ROYALTY (1859-1939) who also had light colored eyes. Their sister Olive ROYALTY had dark colored eyes which eliminate her. Tillie was 9 years older than Florence which means the photograph would have to have been taken earlier, perhaps in the late 1870s or early 1880s.

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Larger images of these photographs may be viewed in the post on Tillie.

Am I correct in dating this photograph in the middle to the late 1880s? Does this young girl resemble Florence ROYALTY as a little girl and as a married woman? Or could she be Florence’s sister Tillie? Or will she remain unidentified?

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and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #80 A White Swan

Why did Florence ROYALTY save this photograph of a big white bird?

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Photographed by Cumings of Golconda, Illinois. (no information was found for this photographer)

A Trumpeter swan or a Tundra swan? There are two species of swans in North America with black bills. Since there is no color in the photo one cannot see if this is a trumpeter with a red border on the lower mandible or a tundra with yellow marking on the lore. But then a tundra swan can also have the red marking and some tundra swans don’t have the yellow teardrop spot near the eye. A tundra’s eye is usually distinct from the bill while a trumpeter’s eye is not but the quality of the photo makes it hard to tell. Trumpeters have longer necks in proportion to their bodies than tundras. Distinguishing the trumpeter from the tundra is not easy even when the two are swimming or standing and they can be compared. These characteristics can be used in the field to identify one or the other but from this photograph, it would be a “wild” guess.

“In the 19th and early 20th centuries, the trumpeter swan was hunted heavily, for game or meat, for the soft swanskins used in powder puffs, and for their quills and feathers.” [Source: Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpeter_swan]. Extinction of the trumpeter seemed imminent by 1933 when fewer than 70 were known to exist. In the 1950s several thousand trumpeters were discovered in Alaska. The population has been restored to over 46,000 birds in 2010.

royaltyquincywhiteswanbackQuincy ROYALTY
killed this white swan
in a lake in New Mexico
& had it stuffed & mounted
in a glass case.

He sold it to a lawyer
when he left there for $20.

John Quincy ROYALTY (1866-1918), Florence’s brother, was the man who killed the swan. Quincy was in New Mexico from before 1898 until 1903, during the time that the swan was heavily hunted. In 1898 while in Albuquerque, New Mexico, he enlisted in Company E, First Territorial U.S. Volunteer Infantry, and served during the Spanish War until mustered out at Albany, Georgia, in 1899. After a visit to his old home in Pope County, Illinois, he returned to the West. In 1900 he was once again in Albuquerque, living in the household of his brother-in-law John R. BOSWELL and his youngest sister Olive ROYALTY, and working as a watchman for the railroad. By 1903 he had moved to California. This would have been when he sold the stuffed swan for $20.

But there is still one inconsistency. If Quincy killed the swan in New Mexico and sold it to a lawyer before he left there, then when and where did Mr. Cumings of Golconda, Illinois, photograph the swan?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #78 Fannie WELLS ca. 1910

Frances “Fannie” WELLS (1892-1975) was the daughter of  Charles Thomas “Tom” WELLS (1859-1934) and Mathilda “Tillie” ROYALTY (1859-1939). Her mother Tillie was the sister of Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946) who collected most of these wonderful old photographs. Fannie’s parents lived in Pope County, Illinois when she and her older brother Charles Edgar (1886-1973) were born.

Florence and Fannie appear to have had a special relationship. Florence saved many photographs of Fannie from the time she was a little girl until she was married and had little ones of her own.

franceswellscollagewatermarked A collage of the photos from this post:
Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #23 Frances “Fannie” WELLS 1892-1975.

While sorting through the digital copies of the collection, I’ve been moving the used images into a new folder so that I have a better overview of all unused photos. Originally there were more than 25o images in the folder. I am now down to a little less than two dozen.

In the unused file, I found this picture of Frances which has not been shared. The digital copies of the front and back of the photograph were originally labeled WielFrances and WielFrancesback. 

1910-ca-wellsfrances-rooney-collectionThe young woman in this picture was photographed from the waist up. Fannie has her hair up and is wearing a blouse with skirt combination or an afternoon dress. Her blouse is high collared with a bow tied in the middle front. The rounded chest inset has a ruffle from shoulder to shoulder. The sleeves are a bit wide at the shoulder level. Were they more tight fitting below the elbow? When she married about 1915 she was no longer wearing her hair up and her face was fuller (see collage). I believe this picture may have been taken about 1910 when she was 18 or perhaps a bit earlier.

The writing on the back was misinterpreted when the digital copies were labeled. At the time, connections between all of the people in this collection were not known and names were not familiar.

1910-ca-wellsfrancesback-rooney-collectionWritten on the back of the photo in pen is Frances Well Ross sent to. Written in pencil in a more childish handwriting, maybe by young Fannie, Aunt Florence. Since Wells is missing the s at the end and Ross was Fannie’s married name, I believe the ballpoint pen writing was added later so that anyone viewing it would not think this was “Aunt Florence.”

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #77 Isaac and Florence LILLIE

Last week I shared a photograph of Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932) and his wife Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946) with their sons Reese Gentry LILLIE (1892-1965) and Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1979) taken in the late 1890s or early 1900s (before 1904).

Sometime after the photo was taken Isaac grew a mustache.

isaac-and-florence-lillie-rooney-collectionThis picture was taken by Frank A. Gregory in Metropolis, Massac County, Illinois. Isaac and Florence appear to be about the same age as in the family portrait featured last week.

isaac-and-florence-lillie-with-hats-rooney-collectionThey donned their hats in this photograph taken during the same sitting.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #76 The LILLIE Family Portrait

Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932) and his wife Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946) have been mentioned often in this series. This is because the entire collection appears to center around their family.

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Isaac Spencer LILLIE and his wife Florence ROYALTY with their two oldest sons.

When did Florence’s interest in collecting photographs begin? Around 1874 when the first known photograph, a tintype, was taken of Florence at the age of 5 or 6 years? Or the very late 1890s or very early 1900s (before 1904) when she sat with her husband and two oldest sons, Reese and Roy, to have this family portrait made?

The four Lillie family members are wearing the same clothes in this family portrait as in the pictures below.

ikeflorandreese Ikeandroy floroyandikeCould those pictures, labeled penny pictures by an unknown person, have been proofs taken in preparation for the family portrait?

I purposely did not name the sons under the family portrait. The reason being that the dark haired boy between Isaac and Florence appears taller than the light haired boy on the left of Florence.

In the series of photos, someone added the names of the boys. Reese, born in 1892, was two and a half years older than Roy, born in 1895. In the pictures where the boys are with their father, “Reese” appears to be smaller than “Roy.” Could Roy have been so much taller than Reese or was he standing on a stool in the group photo? Or are the photos labeled incorrectly?

In 1917 when the boys registered for the World War I draft, Reese was described as medium, slender, blue eyes, and light hair. Roy was described as tall, medium, gray eyes, and dark brown hair.

reesewwicardroywwicardFrom the descriptions, I believe we can assume Roy is the boy between Isaac and Florence and Reese is the boy on the right of Florence.

The photos of Reese (above) are the only ones in the collection. Roy’s pictures were more numerous as can be seen in the links shared in post #64 Brother and Sister in 1950.

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #75 A Group of Women

In the group photo below Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946), wife of Isaac Spencer LILLIE (1872-1932) was identified by her grandson Joe Rooney as the woman standing in the back row in front of the right side of the doorframe. No other persons have been identified.

unknowngroupwithflorenceroyaltylilie1 The digital copy I had of the photograph was not high quality and I could not zoom in on the faces. I got out the original and scanned it at 600 dpi which gave me a much larger file and image to work with. The images seen here are low resolution.

I used the auto adjust tool on PicMonkey to brighten it up a bit. The woman identified as Florence resembles the older Florence seen in the 1920 family reunion photograph.

unknowngroupwithflorenceroyaltylilie2All persons in the photo are female except perhaps the small child standing off to the right side. I wonder if this may be a little boy who sneaked into the picture. His face is blurred and the longer I look at it the more it seems like an optical illusion. He might have been caught while looking forward and then quickly turned his head away from the group.

I estimate from the clothing the women are wearing that this was taken in the 1890s. However, I have a photo of Florence from 1898 in which she looks much younger. Or maybe it is because her hair has a slightly puffy bouffant look below and is combed flat in the group photo.

floroyandikeCould the group photo have been taken in 1899 following the death of Florence’s mother-in-law Pernecia Elizabeth GLASS (1852-1899)? I considered this since the woman thought to be Florence appears to be wearing mourning. Could the dark clothes and the different hairstyle make her look so much older than in the photos taken a year earlier?

floingroupPuffy sleeves and slim sleeves. Bonnets and hats. High collars, square collars, round collars. Handbags and drawstring purses. A great variety of dresses. Did women’s fashion change so much during the 1890s?

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Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #73 Ruth Joanna LILLIE, Part 2

Last week I shared the photograph of Ruth Joanna LILLIE as a little girl with pink cheeks and bows in her pigtails and as a young woman. There are more pictures of Ruth, the oldest daughter of Florence ROYALTY and Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE.

mrin38268-lillieruthj50thclass27-rooney-collectionHere she is, farthest right, with her classmates from the Class of 1927 with their 50th Anniversary cake in 1977. Ruth was born in April 1907. In 1940 on the census she was listed as having 4 years of high school education. Not having a college education this would have been her high school class.

mrin38268-lillieruthjbrookport-rooney-collectionRuth in front of her car at her home in Brookport, Massac County, Illinois.

Following last week’s post, Joe Rooney confirmed that Ruth and her husband Zach Swan remained married until his death. Speculation on this had come up in the comments of the last post due to the fact that this was Zach’s fourth marriage. The first three ended in a divorce due to cruelty and non-support, a suicide, and another divorce. Ruth and Zach were more successful in their marriage.

Joe also mentioned that Mr. Swan had a son from one of his previous marriages who “was in Brookport, Ilinois, for a while. I believe he moved away, maybe two decades ago, but that may be where Sandra Lillie found the collection of photographs.” Joe had been under the impression that Lynn Vance LILLIE, Ruth’s nephew, had been the owner of the collection. This sheds a new light on who Florence’s collection may have been passed on to. Maybe her daughter Ruth was the caretaker of the collection?

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More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
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© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

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