How to Find Your 18th Century Immigrant’s Signature

What do you do when you need to see the actual passenger list for the ship you believe your ancestor, a non-British subject, came over on in the 18th century? My 1752 immigrant ancestor Johann Jacob RUPP of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg in Northern Alsace came from Rotterdam by way of Cowes on the Duke of Wirtenburg captained by Daniel Montpelier and arrived on Friday, 20 October 1752 in Philadelphia.

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The Harbor of Philadelphia seen from New Jersey Shore, based on Scull’s Map of 1754 (From Etching in The Historical Society of Pennsylvania) published in “Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Volume II” (Strassburger, 1934) Courtesy of the Internet Archive

There are transcribed lists but for one reason or the other, you may want to see the original list or at least a facsimile of your ancestor’s signature. My Jacob RUPP, if he came on the Duke of Wirtenburg, was listed as Jacob BUB on the transcription. Further research as discussed in Three Fantastic Finds Made While Researching 1752 Immigrant Johann Jacob Rupp and Working Through Old and New Research Material to Prove the Immigrant’s Ship has narrowed the possibility down to Jacob BUB being Jacob RUPP due to other evidence found. However, seeing his signature or his name written by the captain or a clerk on one of the three sets of passenger lists would be so much better than a transcription.

The Pennsylvania State Archives maintains official ships’ passenger lists on microfilm for the Europeans, mainly German, Dutch, Swiss and French, who arrived at the Port of Philadelphia during the years 1727-1744, 1746-1756, 1761, 1763-1775, 1785-1808. [Source]

There are three sets of passenger lists:

  • “A” lists are the Captains’ Lists of passengers being imported
  • “B” lists are Oaths of Allegiance to the King
  • “C” lists are Oaths of Abjuration from the Pope.

These lists have been published in Pennsylvania German Pioneers: A Publication of the Original Lists of Arrivals in the Port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1808 by Ralph B. Strassburger and William J. Hinke (1934) in three volumes. Volume I has the transcriptions of the lists in chronological order of the arrival of the ship, Volume II has facsimiles of all signatures on the original lists, and Volume III contains an index of names of passengers, captains, and ships.

The index in Vol. III will help you locate your ancestor on the ship lists listed in Vol. I, or Vol. III if they arrived 1785-1808. When you know the name of the ship and the arrival date you can go to Vol. II to see your ancestor’s name as written by the captain on List A, or as he signed or marked on Lists B and/or C. It is best to use all three volumes of the collection when searching for your ancestor. But what if you don’t have access to them or believe you cannot access them?

I’ve searched many times on the internet for digital copies of books and usually if they are old enough and out of copyright, I will find them on the Internet Archive. In the case of this collection, I located Volume I a few years ago. I didn’t know there was a volume with facsimiles of the signatures or an index. When I learned about the rest of the collection I searched but, due to quirky indexing on the Internet Archive, could not turn up a hit on Volume II.

worldcatA search on WorldCat, which I rarely use, turned up the above result.

And this is why I was having problems finding them on the Internet Archive:

VolI
https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniagerm03penn_2
VolII
https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniagerm04penn_1
volIII
https://archive.org/details/pennsylvaniagerm05penn_1

Volume I was indexed as Volume 3, II as 4, and III as 5. But more important are the views. Only 70 for Volume II as it was only recently digitized in late 2015. If your ancestor came over during this time period, landing in Philadelphia, then Happy Huntings!

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Rhineharts Folly in Pipe Creek Hundred, Baltimore County, Maryland

According to Theron A. Rupe who wrote “From Oberhoffen to America” our 1752 immigrant Johann Jacob RUPP bought a 115 acres tract of land called Rhineharts Folly in Baltimore County in 1770 with Pennsylvania money.  In 1788 he sold 15 acres of the property to Johann Shaur. The new owner of this small part was very likely his son-in-law Johannes SCHAUER who married his oldest daughter Anna Maria RUPE in 1771. The remaining 100 acres were sold to his youngest son Heinrich RUPE for a fraction of what he paid for it in 1770. Johann Jacob and his wife Maria Barbara were still alive in 1792 a year before Heinrich sold Rhineharts Folly to Jacob BOBLITZ in 1793. The 1770, 1788, and 1793 land records have not been found but…

Last August Eileen A. Souza of Old Bones Genealogy wrote about a unique collection of land records in her post The Tracey Collection: Colonial Land Records in Carroll County, Maryland. I was in the middle of writing about my children’s ancestors from Luxembourg but took a short hour to look into the collection.

I knew the land owned by Jacob RUPE, as Johann Jacob RUPP was known in America, was named Rhineharts Folly making it easy to locate these three cards in the Tracey collection.1

1755RinehartsFolly12a
http://mdhistory.net/msaref07/tracey_fr_wa_cr/html/msa_scm13085-0214.html
1761RinehartsFOllyresurvey115a2
http://mdhistory.net/msaref07/tracey_fr_wa_cr/html/msa_scm13085-0214.html
1761RinehartsFollyresurvey115a
http://mdhistory.net/msaref07/tracey_fr_wa_cr/html/msa_scm13085-0215.html

In 1755 12 acres of land were granted to FreDerick Rinehart on the north branch of the great Pipe Creek. In 1761 it was increased to 115 acres. Other information on the cards led to this map.

marylandlandmap
http://mdhistory.net/msaref07/tracey_fr_wa_cr/html/msa_scm13086-0014.html

I was able to pinpoint Rhineharts Folly in quadrant G81 per the index cards. At the time the land was in Baltimore County, not Carroll County as seen here. Carroll was created in 1837 from parts of Baltimore and Frederick counties.

mapG81
Enlargement of the corner of the above map.

And The Search Continues

As I am once again working on this immigrant’s story and family I went in search of anything more I could find on Rhineharts Folly.

Eileen’s series Where to Research in Carroll County, Maryland was mostly about libraries and societies which can be visited for research but she also included the Maryland State Archives which have an online site.

I left my comfort zone (Maryland research is new to me) and began searching for land deeds for Rhineharts Folly. On the Maryland State Archives site, I found these index cards. (Index to the database here)

1755RhinehartsFollycard12a
Maryland State Archives, Maryland Indexes (Patents, Index) MSA S1426, online http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1400/s1426/r/pdf/54rhe-richards,joh.pdf
1763RineheartsFolly115a
Maryland State Archives, Maryland Indexes (Patents, Index) MSA S1426, online http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1400/s1426/r/pdf/54riggin,w-riz.pdf

Notice on these index cards the location is seen as Now Carroll County.

I have to admit I was bewildered by the Maryland State Archives (MSA) site and was blindly clicking here and there in search of anything I could find about the piece of land bought by Jacob RUPE. When I slowed down I found MSA Baltimore County Land Survey, Subdivision, and Condominium Plats, used the advanced search for Rheinhart or Rinehart, and found these:

1755searchresult
Courtesy of Maryland State Archives
1763searchresult
Courtesy of Maryland State Archives

SEVEN IMAGES!  I was doing the genealogy happy dance and will be posting this link to Cheryl Hudson Passey’s Celebration Sunday~Genealogy Happy Dance! 

I found the original 1755 patent of 12 acres by Derick Rheinhart

Baltimore County
By virtue of a Common Warrant granted out of his Lordships Land Office on the 25th day of August 1755 to Lay out for Derick Rheinhart of Baltimore County twelve Acres of Land
I Nicholas Ruxton Gay Deputy Surveyor of said County have Surveyed and Laid out for and in the name of him the said Derick Rheinhart a tract or parcel of Land lying & being in the County aforesaid. Begining at a bounded white Oak Standing on the North side of a branch descending into Great Pipe Creek, and runing thence West fourteen perches; South thirty five deg. West Seventy five perches; North eighty two deg. East fifty Six perches; and then with a Straight line to the begining containing and laid out for twelve Acres more or Less to be held of the Manor of Baltimore by the name of Rheinharts folly. December 20th 1755
Ruxton Gay DSBC
Platted perch a Scale of 100 perches in an Inch
[Transcribed by Cathy Meder-Dempsey 27 February 2016]

and the 1763 re-survey of 115 acres (adding 103 acres to the original 12) by Frederick Rinehart. The wording of the two surveys and the description of the land shows Derick Rheinhart and Frederick Rinehart were the same man.

1761landdeed3
An Archives of Maryland electronic publication. Courtesy of Maryland State Archives

Baltimore County
By virtue of a a Special Warrant Granted ou of his Lordships Land Office bearing date the ninth day of June Anno Domini 1761 to Lay out and resurvey for Federick Rineheart of Baltimore County a tract or Parcell of Land Called Rinehearts folly Lying and being on the County Afforesaid Originally on the 20th day of December Anno Dom. 1755 Granted unto him the Said Frederick Rineheart for Twelve acres under new Rent nevertheless Correcting & amending any Errors in the Originall Survey and by my out Landes (sic, lines?) add any Vacant Land thereto Contiguous be the Same Cultivated or Otherwise.
I William Smith Deputy Surveyer of Baltimore County have Carefully Re-Surveyd and Laid out the afforesaid Tract of Land According to its Antunts (sic) metes & Bounds Containing and now Laid out for Twelve acres more or Less & I have by Virtue of the afforesaid warrant added to the out Bounds thereof the Quantity of one Hundred and Three Acres of Vacant Land Beginning for the Said Vacancy at the Begining of the Originall Survey as Marked on the Platt with the Letter A and have ?ausde the whole into one Intire tract Vizt. Lying in Baltimore County Begining at a Bounded White oak Standing on the North Side of a Branch descending into Pipe Creek and running thence North Twenty two degrees East forty Perches North Twenty Eight degrees East Sixty Perches North East Seventy two Perches North Thirteen degrees East

1761landdeed4
An Archives of Maryland electronic publication. Courtesy of Maryland State Archives

Twenty Eight Perches North Seventy Three degrees East Twenty two Perches South five degrees West Sixty Perches South Twelve degrees East one Hundrd Perches South Eighty degrees West one hundred Seventy three Perches onto the third Line of the Originall Survey then Bounding on the Originall Survey to the Begining Vvy. South Eighty two degrees West fifty two Perches North thirty five degrees East seventy five Perches & then with a straigt Line to the Begining Containing and Laid out for one Hundred & fifteen Acres more or Less to be held of the manor of Baltimore by the name of Rignhearts folley Resurvey. December the 4th 1761
Wm Smith DSBC
Platted perch a scale of  100 perches in an Inch
[Transcribed by Cathy Meder-Dempsey 27 February 2016]

1761plat
An Archives of Maryland electronic publication. Courtesy of Maryland State Archives

What did all this searching get me? A plat of the land called Rhineharts Folly – the first plat I have ever found for one of my ancestors! Or is it?

All I need is the 1770 sale to Jacob RUPE, the 1788 sales of the same land to Johannes SCHAUER and Heinrich RUPE and the 1793 sale of land to Jacob BOBLITZ. But isn’t there another way to prove the land owned by my Jacob RUPE was the land seen in the plat above?

Why was it important to learn Derick RHEINHART and Frederick RINEHART were the same man? Stay tuned for a new discovery in my search.

 

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Johann Jacob RUPP
Parents: Johann Jacob RUPP Jr. and Maria Apollonia FETZER
Spouse: Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER
Parents of spouse: Johannes NONNENMACHER and Maria Barbara STAMBACH
Whereabouts: Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Pennsylvania, Maryland
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 6th great-grandfather

    1. Johann Jacob RUPP
    2. Heinrich Thomas “Henry” RUPE Sr.
    3. James ROOP
    4. Gordon H. ROOP
    5. Gordon Washington ROOP
    6. Walter Farmer ROOP
    7. Myrtle Hazel ROOP
    8. Fred Roosevelt Dempsey
    9. Cathy Meder-Dempsey

 

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  1. Dr. Arthur G. Tracey patent/tract index and map locations for Carroll, Frederick, and Washington Counties, an ebook edition of the original microfilm prepared by Dr. Edward C. Papenfuse and Sarah Patterson, Maryland State Archives, October 2009. (http://mdhistory.net/msaref07/tracey_fr_wa_cr/html/index.html : accessed 21 December 2015) 

Three Fantastic Finds Made While Researching 1752 Immigrant Johann Jacob Rupp

and Working Through Old and New Research Material to Prove the Immigrant’s Ship

WeltymessageI can remember the day I learned the name of the ship my 6th great-grandparents Johann Jacob RUPP and Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER came over on even though it was nearly fifteen years ago. I can close my eyes and imagine the way my living room looked on that day. Very little is the same today as it was then. It has more to do with the day than with new furniture and decorating.

I received a notification of a reply to my message on the GenForum board for AlsaceLorraine, France, from Genealogy.com. Dennis Welty had seen my post dated 15 April 2001 concerning a trip I was planning to make to the Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and Steinseltz area in Northern Alsace to visit the birthplace of Johann Jacob RUPP (1723-aft. 1792).[1] I was so excited reading his message.[2]

My husband called home as I was copying the post to send to Rupe/Roop researchers Louise Akers and Theron Rupe. He told me to check the news on TV as two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center. It was 11 September 2001, the fateful day our world changed. The thrill of being able to share the information from Dennis with Louise and Theron turned to a chill. The events of the day prevented me from celebrating.

At the time I was new to researching my American families. Dennis Welty wrote about things I had no idea how to find or access. But I trusted what he wrote and his conclusion. I shared with others but I did not try to follow through on how he made the discoveries until many years later.

A little over a week ago, while reviewing everything I have on my immigrant ancestor Johann Jacob RUPP (1723-aft. 1792), I checked some of the trees on Ancestry.com. I found a statement I made in Jacob’s notes in my GEDCOM file was attached to a tree in 2009 and has been saved to 46 other family trees.

Jacob and his family arrived in Philadelphia on October 20, 1752 on the ship “Duke of Wirtenburg” that sailed from Rotterdam and Cowes under Captain Daniel Montpelier.[3]

I was convinced the information Dennis Welty sent in his message was correct when I wrote the above. However at the time I did not include the source. One public family tree owner wrote this comment, “Can’t be true, not on 20 Oct 1752 ship list for Duke of Wirtenburg.”  I realized I needed to review everything Dennis Welty mentioned and at least try to find an original source for each part of his message in order to prove the ship.

I came across the name Jacob Roop in Baltimore County Maryland in my Welty research. Frederick Decker and Jacob Roop were executers (sic) of the estate of Andrew Welty in 1774 who owned land near Manchester (now Carroll Co.) Maryland. In the administration accounts he is listed as Jacob Rupe.

Fantastic Find #1

I searched through FamilySearch’s Maryland Register of Wills Records, 1629-1999 for Jacob RUPE’s will (none found) but not for Andrew WELTY’s. Last week I realized I needed prove what Dennis wrote by finding the will records mentioned above and adding them to  Jacob’s story. These are the records I found:

weltywill
Last Will and Testament of Andrew WELTY [4]

I hereby nominate and appoint my Trusty and well beloved friends Frederick Daker and Jacob Roop Executors of this my Last Will and Testament….2 November 1772 Andrew Welty

weltyadminbond
Administrative Bond for the estate of Andrew WELTY [5]

Seen as Jacob RUPE throughout the entire administrators’ bond, he signed his name Jacob RUB. Note: this is a copy of the original bond and the signatures are not the originals but show how the person signed. Jacob signed himself and did not leave a mark like George Fisher.

weltyinventory
Inventory of Andrew WELTHY [6]
Baltimore County — March 30th 1773 then came Frederick Docker and Jacob Rupe Executors of the Testament and Last will of Andrew Welthy late of the County aforesaid deceased and severally made oath….

By finding the will, administrative bond, and inventory of the estate of Andrew WELTY, I was able to prove the first statement made by Dennis in his message.

In the 1768 list of signers for the removal of the county seat to Baltimore town are the names Michael Rub and Jacob Rub (five names down) along with Christian Daker and Andres Welti.

In July 2013 I found the 1768 “list of signers” for the removal of the county seat from Joppa to Baltimore town on the Maryland State Archives site with the names mentioned above by Dennis. Petition 29 was one of six petitions, formulated in English and German,  for the removal of the county seat.[7]

petition1Christian DAKER and Andres WELTI signed with a mark. Also on the petition were three other men who would play a part in the story of the Jacob RUPP family: Dietrich REINHARTH, Johannes SCHAUER, and Anthon NOLL.

petition2Michael and Jacob RUB left their mark (below) while another man left his signature which was transcribed as Jacob RUL [?].

petition3In 1768 Jacob’s sons Jacob b. 1747 and Michael b. 1749 were over 18 years old but signed only with a mark. Did they not have the education their father received in the old county? From the 1772 administrative bond of Andrew WELTY’s estate we know the elder Jacob signed his surname RUB which may likely have been transcribed incorrectly as RUL (?) on this petition.

Also in the 1773 list of taxables belonging to Pipe Creek Hundred is the name Jacob Rupe, Frederick Deker and Margaret Welty (widow of Andrew Welty). This info is from the book “Inhabitants of Baltimore County 1763-1774” by Henry C. Peden Jr.

Fantastic Find #2

While searching online for Henry Peden’s book Inhabitants of Baltimore County 1763-1774 I virtually stumbled upon the scanned images of the 1773 tax list which I needed to confirm Dennis’ statement about Jacob RUPE being on the list of taxables with Frederich DECKER and Andrew WELTY’s widow.[8]

A List of Taxables in Pipe Creek Hundred taken by William Kelley Junior 1773

1773taxFantastic Find #3

Before I found the 1773 tax list I located another tax list which is even more noteworthy. It will be discussed in detail in a new post. This much I can tell you, other researchers claim Revolutionary War service for Jacob RUPP however they are claiming the wrong patriot.

In the church records of Zion Church (Protestant) in Manchester Maryland, Jacob and Barbara Rub were baptismal sponsors on Oct. 29, 1768 for Barbara, dau. of Bernhardt and Anna Maria Weinmann. Christian Weinmann and Barbara Rubin were also sponsors for the same couple in 1772. Jacob and Barbara Rub were also sponsors for Johannes and Anna Maria Schauer in 1776, Henrich and Anamarya Gottier in 1780 and Johannes Born in 1780. Jacob Rub and Magdalena Gottiern were sponsors for George Weber in 1781. Also Michl. and Magdl. Rupp gave birth to a dau An. Mar. in 1783 with Michl. and An. Mar. Ritter sponsors and to another dau. Maria Barbara in 1785 with George and Barbara Rubin Weber sponsors. Also Henry Rub and another Jacob Rub appear in later years as does Phil. Nonnenaker. This is from “Maryland German Church Records Volume 10”.


The above events brought up by Dennis Welty were easily confirmed many years ago (2001) when Louise Akers sent me the book with the compilation of English translation of the German church records.[9] [Keep in mind the presence of persons with the surname GOTTIER above.] I don’t have actual images of the church records and have not tried to find where the collections are kept.

In the church records of Evangelical Reformed Church in Frederick, Maryland, Jacob Rupp is on the list of communicants for Easter 1759 along with Christian Biller and Christoph Stoll. This is from “Maryland Church Records Volume 5.

The 1768 petition mentioned earlier was practically a census of all adult males over 18 as the referendum for and against the change of the county seat was circulated throughout Baltimore County. Jacob RUPP and his sons’ appearance on the petition was the earliest known sighting of the RUPP family in Maryland and in America.

Dennis’ statement (above) gives a new and earlier sighting. I have not been able to confirm Jacob RUPP was on a list of communicants with Christian BILLER and Christoph STOLL in 1759 at Easter as I do not have Volume 5 of this series of Maryland Church Records or access to the records. All previous information Dennis wrote about has been confirmed and it is only a matter of time before this statement will be proven as true.

This was the first mention of Christian BILLER and Christoph STOLL. They were not on the 1768 petition or the 1773 tax list with Jacob RUPP which suggests they remained in Frederick County while Jacob moved [check formation of counties] to Baltimore County between 1759 and 1768. What makes finding these three men on the list of communicants so remarkable is Dennis’ next statement:

These names are significant because on the ship Duke of Wirtenburg which arrived in Philadelphia in October 1752 are the names (in order) Hans George Gottle, Jacob (O) Bub, Christian Stahl and Christoff Fridrich Biller. You can draw your own conclusions. I hope this helps.

At the Court House at Philadelphia on Friday, the 20th October 1752 Joshua Maddox, Esqr. met the foreigners, whose names were recorded, imported in the ship Duke of Wirtenburg, Daniel Montpelier, Commander, from Rotterdam by way of Cowes. All adult male passengers age 16 and above signed the oath of allegiance. A transcribed list was found online[10] as well as in the book Pennsylvania German Pioneers. A Publication of the Original Lists of Arrivals in the Port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1808 by Ralph Beaver Strassburger, William John Hinke.[11]

shiplistThe names listed by Dennis Welty were found in the book – next step would be to view the original oath of allegiance list for the passengers who came over on the Duke of Wirtenburg to determine if the name Jacob BUB was transcribed incorrectly and should be Jacob RUP. An email query has been sent to the Pennsylvania State Archives – wish me luck.

You can draw your own conclusions

I believe Dennis Welty was correct when he pointed me to the Duke of Wirtenburg being the ship my ancestor Johann Jacob RUPP came over on in 1752. To further support this I would like to note the information found in two other sources which do not include the name of the ship but give 1752 as the year of immigration.[12], [13]

This exciting news, received on 9/11, was overshadowed by what followed several hours later but it taught me a wonderful lesson about reaching out, sharing and helping others, and giving credit where credit is due. If you would like to include this post in your family tree, please do not copy/paste it as errors made [it happens] may be corrected at a later date. Instead please feel free to include a link back to this article. Thank you.

Sources:
[1] Alsacelorraine, France Genforum, Genealogy.com, Cathy Meder-Dempsey, Descendants of Northern Alsace Rupp/Rupe, message #321 posted 21 April 2001, online http://www.filytreemaker.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/france/alsacelorraine/321/
[2] Ibid., Dennis Welty, Re: Descendants of Northern Alsace Rupp/Rupe, message #456 posted 11 September 2001, online http://www.filytreemaker.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/france/alsacelorraine/456/
[3] “Public Member Trees,” database, Ancestry.com, “Simpson/Roupe” family tree by jrunwolfepack, profile for Johann Jacob Rupp 1723-1793 (http://person.ancestry.com/tree/365371/), media file “Information” attached 3 March 2009 (http://mv.ancestry.com/viewer/29d65d53-d7a7-45f1-b5b5-340c8bc28fd5/365371/-701064003?_phsrc=azf211&usePUBJs=true: accessed 12 February 2016).
[4] “Maryland Register of Wills Records, 1629-1999,” images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-24090-18189-65?cc=1803986 : accessed 12 February 2016), Baltimore > Wills 1763-1784 vol 3 > image 126 and 127 of 318; citing Hall of Records, Annapolis.
[5] Ibid., (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-24257-76812-40?cc=1803986 : accessed 12 February 2016), Baltimore > Administration bonds 1769-1772 vol 4 > image 54 of 187; Hall of Records, Annapolis.
[6] Ibid., (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-24259-28543-45?cc=1803986 : accessed 12 February 2016), Baltimore > Inventories 1772-1776 vol 11 > image 62 and 63 of 186; Hall of Records, Annapolis.
[7] J. Hall Pleasants, editor under the direction of the Maryland Historical Society, Proceedings and Acts of the General Assembly May 9, 1766 to June 22, 1768, Volume 61, pgs. 556-558, Maryland State Archives (http://aomol.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000061/html/ : accessed 18 July 2013)
[8] Maryland State Archives (http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/coagser/c400/c428/000000/000052/pdf/msa_c428-000052.pdf : accessed accessed 19 February 2016)
[9] C. T. Zahn and Frederick S. Weiser, translators and editors, Maryland German Church Records Volume 10, subtitle: Zion Church “The German Church”, Manchester, Carroll County — today Trinity United Church of Christ Records, 1760-1836 and Immanuel Lutheran Church Records, 1760-1853 (published by the Historical Society of Carroll County, Westminster, Maryland).
[10] Joe Beine, Professional Genealogy & Family History Research, website, citing The Ship Duke of Wirtenburg Passenger List, Rotterdam to Philadelphia, 20 October 1752. (http://www.genesearch.com/genealogy-records/penngermanpioneers/dukeofwirtenburg1752.html : accessed 15 February 2016)
[11] Pennsylvania-German Society, Pennsylvania-German Society Volume 3, publisher The Society, 876 pages, call number 974.8 P38623, State Library of Pennsylvania [Digitizing sponsor: This project is made possible by a grant from the Institute of Museum and Library Services as administered by the Pennsylvania Department of Education through the Office of Commonwealth Libraries and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Tom Corbett, Governor], (https://archive.org/stream/pennsylvaniagerm03penn_2#page/498/mode/2up/search/bub : accessed 15 February 2016)
[12] Annette Kunsel Burgert, Eighteenth Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America  (Camden Press, Camden, Maine, 1992), pg. 413-414, entry #409 for Rubb, Joh. Jacob of Oberhoffen.
[13] Dr. Friedrich Krebs, Eine Liste deutscher Auswanderer nach den amerikanischen Kolonien aus Zweibrücken in der Pfalz 1750-1771, citing Rubb, Jacob, von Oberhofen (Kr. Weißenburg, Els.) mit Weib und 3 Kindern 1752

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Johann Jacob RUPP
Parents: Johann Jacob RUPP Jr. and Maria Apollonia FETZER
Spouse: Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER
Parents of spouse: Johannes NONNENMACHER and Maria Barbara STAMBACH
Whereabouts: Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Pennsylvania, Maryland
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 6th great-grandfather

  1. Johann Jacob RUPP
  2. Heinrich Thomas “Henry” RUPE Sr.
  3. James ROOP
  4. Gordon H. ROOP
  5. Gordon Washington ROOP
  6. Walter Farmer ROOP
  7. Myrtle Hazel ROOP
  8. Fred Roosevelt Dempsey
  9. Cathy Meder-Dempsey

© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

Rupe/Roop/Ruppe/Rupp Migration in the Years 1752-1820

The immigrant Johann Jacob RUPP came from Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Northern Alsace, present-day France, to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1752 with his wife Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER and their three sons Johann Jacob, Johann Michel, and Johann Martin.

The Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg connection and the ship they came on will be discussed in later posts.

In the Beginning, There was Family Tradition

Colonial_Roads_in_the_South
Public domain, released by David Dilts, a Family History Research Wiki user.

From the following report given by Johann Jacob RUPP’s great-great-grandson Redmond Ira ROOP at a family reunion in 1927 in Carroll County, Maryland, the family very likely took the Great Valley Road in green in the map above (with some continuing on the dotted green road).

Traveling on what was once the Baltimore and Memphis Turnpike, the Rupe caravan crossed the Potomac at Harper’s Ferry in 1796. The caravan included Henry, his wife Catherine, and their family of several sons and daughters, the three older brothers of Henry, and their families. In crossing the Potomac the cattle and other larger animals were forced to swim, and the sons of Henry held the ropes attached to the horns of the cows. One wild cow pulled one of the unsuspecting Rupe boys overboard while crossing and he might have been lost had they not missed the cow, which finally reached shore with the boy swinging to her tail some distance down stream. The three brothers of Henry split with one of them going to Ohio, one to Western North Carolina, and the other to Georgia. Henry and family journeyed through the Shenandoah Valley and into Rockbridge County, bound for the southwestern section of the state, then rather sparsely settled. When they reached Buffalo Creek, four miles north of Natural Bridge, a great flood overtook them and they were forced to remain for several days. A report reached them that Natural Bridge had washed away, and it being the only passage, it would require four years to restore the bridge. They settled on Buffalo Creek and built a mill there, which they operated for years before they learned that the report of the bridge destruction was like Mark Twain’s comment on the first report of his death, considerable exaggereated (sic). Early in the year 1800 they left Rockbridge Co. and wound up in Lunenburg Co., VA where they had at least one child before settling on Pelham’s Branch, near Little River, about eight miles southwest of Christiansburg, Montgomery Co., VA. The first recorded document for Henry in this area was the purchase of 326 acres on Aug. 17, 1804 from Abner Lester, to whom it had been granted by the Commonwealth in 1795.

Who doesn’t have a story of several brothers? My 5th great-grandfather Henry RUPE was the youngest son of Johann Jacob RUPP and Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER. I would like to believe he traveled with three older brothers but this may be “exaggereated” (to use Redmond’s spelling). To simplify things I’m dropping the Johann from the father and his three sons’ names as, after they came to America, the second name was found in records.

Descendants of the 1752 immigrant Johann Jacob RUPP used different spellings of the surname — RUPP, RUPE, ROOP, ROUP, ROOPE, ROUPE, RUPPE — from one generation to the next, even in the same family and same generation.

This is where I’m seeing the families from 1752 to 1820.

  1. Henry’s parents Jacob and Barbara and his three oldest brothers Jacob, Michael, and Martin came to America in 1752 arriving in Philadelphia.  This will be discussed in a later post. The length of time they remained in Pennsylvania is unknown.
  2. Henry’s father Jacob RUPP was in Frederick and Baltimore County, Maryland, from about 1759 to 1792. Church records[1], as well as three sets of newly found records, confirm his residence in Pipe Creek Hundred in Baltimore County. They will be discussed in more detailed upcoming posts.
  3. Family tradition (above) tells of Henry and his brothers crossing the Potomac at Harpers Ferry in 1796. The transcript of the report by Redmond ROOP may not be reliable. The information has been copied many times and cannot be traced back to its origin. Theron Rupe, another researcher for the family, wrote the family left Maryland in 1793 after Henry sold 100 acres of the original 115 acres owned by his father Jacob.
  4. Family tradition (above) tells of Henry’s family remaining at Buffalo Creek in Rockbridge County, Virginia, until about 1800. I have not found proof of this or of their building or running a mill at this location. Henry ROOP was in Rockbridge County on 13 January 1801 when Polly NULL, from Baltimore County, Maryland, and daughter of Anthony NULL married James HART. Henry gave an oath of the bride being of age. [I have images of both records] The 1800 census for Virginia is not available and tax lists have been used as substitutes. The 1801 tax list for Rockbridge was used as a substitute. James HART was listed but Henry RUPE/ROOP appears to have already left the county as he was not on the list. There for the marriage, gone for the tax list!
  5. Henry RUPE was seen in Montgomery County buying land in 1804 from Abner Lester. He continued to acquire land and deeds show his name spelled Roop. In the 1810 through the 1840 census, the surname was spelled Roop, Roope, and Rupe. He lived in Montgomery County until his death in 1845.
  6. Martin RUPE was a resident of Surry County, North Carolina from 1795 to about 1810. He may not have taken care of all business in the county before moving on as he was seen on the 1812 tax list. George WEAVER was a resident of Stokes County, North Carolina in 1800. By 1820 the WEAVER family was living next door to Henry RUPE in Montgomery County, Virginia. George’s wife was the sister of Henry RUPE.
  7. Martin ROOP (indexed Roap) was in Union County, South Carolina, by 1810. The area became Cherokee County. Many of his descendants lived there as well as across the state line in Rutledge and Cleveland counties in North Carolina. His descendants in the Carolinas used the surname spelling RUPPE.
  • Places of birth of the children of Henry RUPE indicate he was in Maryland in 1786-1792, Virginia from about 1794.
  • Places of birth of the children of Martin RUPP indicate he was in Maryland in 1779, Pennsylvania 1780-1788, Virginia 1790, North Carolina 1796-1805.
  • Places of birth of the children of George WEAVER indicate he was in North Carolina in 1778* and back in Maryland in 1781-1790.

*Another family tradition, which I will be discussing in a future post, suggests Jacob RUPP and his family, during the American Revolutionary War, “bought land in a  North Carolina land company and after the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783 the family resurfaced in Baltimore County.” Records I’m finding show Jacob was in Baltimore County during this time and do not support the theory of his being in North Carolina. George WEAVER’s oldest child was listed on the 1850 census as born abt. 1778 in North Carolina. She died before 1860, her children died in 1848, 1865, and bet. 1860-1870. This left no possibility of confirmation of the mother’s place of birth on the 1880 census.

It was important for me to map the migration pattern of the family during this period. I am convinced it will help me prove or disprove the family tradition by pointing me in the right direction at the right time. Of course, any suggestion on a course of action would be greatly appreciated.

[1] C. T. Zahn and Frederick S. Weiser, translators and editors, Maryland German Church Records Volume 10, subtitle: Zion Church “The German Church”, Manchester, Carroll County — today Trinity United Church of Christ Records, 1760-1836 and Immanuel Lutheran Church Records, 1760-1853 (published by the Historical Society of Carroll County, Westminster, Maryland).

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Johann Jacob RUPP
Parents: Johann Jacob RUPP Jr. and Maria Apollonia FETZER
Spouse: Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER
Parents of spouse: Johannes NONNENMACHER and Maria Barbara STAMBACH
Whereabouts: Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Pennsylvania, Maryland
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 6th great-grandfather

    1. Johann Jacob RUPP
    2. Heinrich Thomas “Henry” RUPE Sr.
    3. James ROOP
    4. Gordon H. ROOP
    5. Gordon Washington ROOP
    6. Walter Farmer ROOP
    7. Myrtle Hazel ROOP
    8. Fred Roosevelt Dempsey
    9. Cathy Meder-Dempsey

© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

Do you feel responsible for errors in others’ family trees?

This door symbolizes the research done on the immigrant Johann Jacob RUPP of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Northern Alsace, France. The first door is open showing a passageway leading to another door that is closed.

The First Door Opens

Theron A. Rupe found records in the 1990s for RUPP individuals in the Family History Library’s International Film #775041:

Steinseltzrecords Parish registers, in German, of baptisms, marriages, and deaths for Steinselz, Elsaß-Lothringen, Germany; now Steinseltz, Bas-Rhin, France, including Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg were filmed in the Strasbourg Archives. Note: As of 20 July 2010 these records are browsable online at the Archives Départementales du Bas-Rhin.

Theron’s research opened the first door. We corresponded by postal mail as he did not have internet access and a few emails were passed along by his son-in-law. In 2001 he shared photocopies with me of the records he found showing Johann Jacob RUPP b. 1723 was the son of Johann Jacob RUPP Jr. This, in turn, led him to Johann Jacob RUPP Sr. who he found had remarried and was fathering children at the same time as Johann Jacob RUPP Jr.

At the time I was more concerned with proving my grandmother’s ROOP line back to RUPE and the RUPP immigrant. Theron was “satisfied with information we have on family in America” and would “appreciate only information relating to Oberhoffen.”

I visited Steinseltz and Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg on a day trip in December 2001 but did not have the time to visit and/or do research at the archives in Strasbourg. This put an end to our collaborating as I did not have access to the records needed to satisfy his interest in the family of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg.

A Second Door Opens

Fast forward a dozen years, in June 2013 I learned the church records were online in the Bas-Rhin Archives. I learned later they had been online for several years as noted above. I’d canceled my Ancestry.com subscription the previous month and had plenty of time to delve into the church records.

I searched the baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and deaths beginning in 1685, the earliest records available, until 1752 the year my 6th great-grandfather Johann Jacob RUPP (b. 8 March 1723) came to America. I found about 130 church records for RUPP related individuals in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and Steinseltz. This included any record with a RUPP mentioned, for example, as a godparent on a baptismal record. Here a name, there a name, and before you know it you are connecting the dots and can see the whole picture.

What I found completely changed the RUPP family tree. I attempted contacting Theron with the new information however he is no longer doing genealogy. Without a subscription to Ancestry®, I wasn’t able to contact the people who had trees with the wrong information which I felt responsible for.

Why did I feel responsible?

In 2001 I entered the information found by Theron into my family tree. At the time, with the few photocopies of the old church records he shared with me, it looked good [to the new to US genealogy researcher] as the information was also included in Louise Roop Anderson Akers’ book The Family Rub, Rup, Rupe, Roop, Roope  (2001 Printed by Jamont Communications, 339 Luck Ave., Roanoke, VA 24016). Although many other genealogists researching the family also bought the book I was one of the first to share the information online.

On 6 December 2002, I uploaded my GEDCOM file to RootsWeb’s WorldConnect Project for the first time and it included the Roop information. A few years later I discovered my file had been included in the Ancestry Family Tree (later becoming a part of the OneWorldTree). Over the years dozens of owners of family trees on Ancestry.com have merged the incorrect information into their trees.

Yesterday I was looking at some of the trees and was reminded of why I do not want my family tree on Ancestry.com. I wish a user’s license was the prerequisite for using the family tree feature as well as reviewing and accepting hints. I can understand how people new to genealogy will make mistakes but there is no need to accept all hints without question.

What has changed in the RUPP family tree?

After sleeping on it, I’ve decided against contacting owners of trees with the incorrect information. My 1752 immigrant was not the only RUPP to come to America. Others came before and after him which only adds to the confusion seen in the trees found online.

To begin I plan to write about my 5th great-grandfather Heinrich Thomas “Henry” Rupe Sr. 1765-1845. There are several aspects of his life I would like to discuss in separate posts. They may not be done in this particular order but will include the migration from Maryland to Virginia, his life in Virginia, his children, and his siblings.

A post on how the connection was made between the immigrant and the ship he came over on will hopefully clear up the “it cannot be” comment I found on one of the “stories” attached to several trees on ancestry.

Once the ship has sailed I’ll write about the three RUPP generations found in the French archives who changed the family tree. Hopefully, by writing their stories I will no longer feel responsible for mistakes seen in other people’s family trees.

© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

52 Ancestors: #43(2) Elizabeth’s parents Robert and Anne CARROLL

52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks“The challenge: have one blog post each week devoted to a specific ancestor. It could be a story, a biography, a photograph, an outline of a research problem — anything that focuses on one ancestor.”

This is entry #43(2) in Amy Johnson Crow’s Challenge: 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks.

I might be breaking a rule by doing this ancestor in two parts in one week. My posts for this challenge are not spontaneous. I have this planned out to the end of the year. For me, an ancestor’s childhood and parents are part of her life. In the case of this ancestor it became so complicated that I’ve broken this up into two parts.

52 Ancestors: #43(2) Elizabeth’s parents Robert and Anne CARROLL

I thought this would be an easy write-up until I started taking a closer look at what I have on the CARROLL family of Montgomery County, Virginia. To begin with the name was found with many different spellings: CARL, CAREL, CARLE, CAROL, CARRIL, CARREL, CARRELL, CARROLL.

To add to the confusion the George Valentine “Feltha” CORRELL family moved to the area soon after the 1810 census from Augusta County. They were of German heritage and the surname was sometimes spelled CARRELL. Fortunately, I’ve already looked into this family as Feltha’s wife Kate was a WEAVER, daughter of George WEAVER and Barbara RUPP (sister of my Henry RUPE), and granddaughter of my 1752 immigrants (6th great-grandparents) Johan Jacob RUPP and Maria Barbara NONNENMACHER.

CARROLL Marriages

According to family tradition three of Henry RUPE’s sons married CARROLL sisters. Let’s take a look at the CARROLL marriages that took place in Montgomery and Floyd counties from 1830 to 1850:

1. My fourth great-grandparents James ROOP and Elizabeth CARROLL married on 23 July 1830. In the abstract of the marriage[1] his last name was spelled RUPE and her maiden name was indexed as EARL. As mentioned last week RUPE and ROOP were used  interchangeably. The names of the bride’s and groom’s parents were not included in the transcript. To-do list: request copy of marriage record because….I believe that EARL is an indexing error and her maiden name was most likely spelled CARL as it was for her sister Mary the following year:

2. “I do hereby certify that I celebrated the rites of matrimony between Joseph Roop & Mary Carl of Montgomery Cty on the 13th day of September 1831 by virtue of a publication given under my hand this 26th day of June 1832. Richd Buckingham”[2]

3. Richard Buckingham also celebrated the rites of matrimony between John CARL and Theodocia WILSON of Floyd County on the 27th day of November 1832 by virtue of a publication.[3] John died on 1 October 1881 in Floyd County. The abstract of his record of death shows his name as John CARRIL and his parents as Robert and Anne.[4]

4. Peninah CARROLL married Henry KEMPLIN on 26 November 1835 in Floyd County, Virginia. The marriage was performed by Michael Howry. Parents of the couple were not listed on this source.[3] This couple went to Kentucky before 1840.

5. Nancy Carroll married Andrew DAME on 5 September 1844 in Montgomery County, Virginia.[5] No information found on this couple.

6. On 4 November 1846 William ROOP gave bond with Robert CARRELL as security for the marriage of William to Robert’s daughter Catherine CARRELL.[6] In 1850 Anne CARLE age 62 was in the household of William and Catherine ROOP. The relationship is not listed however Anne would appear to be Catherine’s mother.

7. Rose CARROLL married James JUSTICE on 21 October 1848. The abstract of this record includes the name of the bride’s father, Robert CARROLL.[6] At this point things become complicated. Rose may have had two daughters before this marriage. Sarah CARROLL who is seen with her in 1850 and Drusilla CARROLL. The second daughter later took the surname JUSTICE. Sallie/Sarah RATLIFF was seen as Drusilla’s grandmother in 1880 suggesting that Rose’s children’s father was a RATLIFF. Sarah CARROLL was also found with Sarah RATLIFF in 1850 and with Robert CARROLL in 1860. Like her sister Drusilla, Sarah CARROLL appears to have had a child without marrying and is seen in 1880 as Sarah JUSTIS.

8. Joseph R. CARRELL and Sarah KROPFF were married by Thomas G. Shelor on 6 August 1846 in Floyd County, Virginia . Sarah was the daughter of Barbary KROPFF per permission note. Parents of the groom were not mentioned.[3]

9. Robert R. CARRELL and Evaline M. RATLIFF were married by Owen Sumner on 9 July 1848 in Floyd County, Virginia. Evaline was the daughter of Benjamin RATLIFF per bond. Parents of the groom were not mentioned.[3]

From family tradition and the above marriages that list a parent, the following children are Robert’s: *Elizabeth, *Mary, *John, *Catherine, and *Rose. This leaves Peninah, Nancy, Joseph and Robert as possible children.

CARROLL in Census

The Robert CARROLL family was NOT always the only family of that name in Montgomery County per the earliest censuses. In 1810 there was also a Samuel CARREL Sr. age over 45 and in 1820 a James CARRELL age 26-44. Samuel was not on the 1820 census and James was not found in Montgomery in 1830 or later. After this time, in 1830, Robert was the only CARROLL in Montgomery County. Robert and his son John were the only CARROLLs in Floyd County in 1840. Note that Floyd County was formed from Montgomery in 1831.

Since Robert was the only CARROLL in Montgomery County after 1820 I believe that it is possible that 8 of the 9 (if not all) marriages found above may be his children. Using these young people (*proven) I analyzed the pre-1850 census:

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1810 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Christiansburg (ancestry.com)

1810 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Christiansburg
Name: Robt Carrel
Free White Persons – Males – Under 10: 1 (*John)
Free White Persons – Males – 26 thru 44 : 1 (Robert 26-29)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 10: 2 (*Elizabeth and *Mary)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 15: 1 (unknown b. bet. 1795-1800)
Free White Persons – Females – 26 thru 44: 1 (Anne 26-29)
Number of Household Members Under 16: 4
Number of Household Members Over 25: 2
Number of Household Members: 6

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1820 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Blacksburg (ancestry.com)

1820 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Blacksburg
Name: Robert Carrell
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons – Males – Under 10: 1 (*John, wrong column?)
Free White Persons – Males – 26 thru 44: 1 (Robert age 36-39)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 10: 4 (*Mary, *Rose, Peninah, *Catherine)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 15: 1 (*Elizabeth)
Free White Persons – Females – 26 thru 44: 1 (Anne age 36-39)
Number of Persons – Engaged in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons – Under 16: 6
Free White Persons – Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons – White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8

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1830 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Christiansburg (ancestry.com)

1830 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Christiansburg
Name: Robert Carle
Free White Persons – Males – Under 5: 1 (Robert)
Free White Persons – Males – 5 thru 9: 1 (Joseph)
Free White Persons – Males – 20 thru 29: 1 (*John)
Free White Persons – Males – 40 thru 49: 1 (Robert age 46-49)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 5: 1 (Nancy)
Free White Persons – Females – 5 thru 9: 1 (*Catherine)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 14: 2 (*Rose, Peninah)
Free White Persons – Females – 40 thru 49: 1 (Anne age 46-49)
Free White Persons – Females – 50 thru 59: 1 (older woman?)
Free White Persons – Under 20: 6
Free White Persons – 20 thru 49: 3
Total Free White Persons: 10
Total – All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 10

Up until 1830 the analysis of the census went well except for son John (b. abt. 1806) having slipped into the wrong column in 1820. The children fit the CARROLL marriages seen above. Then the 1840 blows everything out of the water.

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1840 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Floyd (ancestry.com)

1840 U.S. Federal Census
Floyd County, Virginia
Name: Robert Carol
Free White Persons – Males – 5 thru 9: 1 (??)
Free White Persons – Males – 10 thru 14: 2 (Joseph and Robert)
Free White Persons – Males – 50 thru 59: 1 (Robert age 56-59)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 5: 1 (Rose’s dau Sarah)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 14: 5 (Nancy, 4x??)
Free White Persons – Females – 15 thru 19: 1 (*Rose, *Catherine)
Free White Persons – Females – 30 thru 39: 1 (poss. mother of younger children)
Free White Persons – Females – 50 thru 59: 1 (Anne age 56-59)
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 2
Persons Employed in Manufacture and Trade: 1
Free White Persons – Under 20: 10
Free White Persons – 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 13
Total All Persons – Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 13

Robert and Anne are with their unmarried children but there is another young woman with them and it looks like she may have brought five children with her. Could she be the girl age 10-15 seen with the CARROLL family in 1810? Was she Robert’s sister? Was she the mother of all the younger children?

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1850 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery (ancestry.com)

In 1850 Robert CARROLL was not found in the census. However Anne CARLE age 62 was in the household of her son-in-law William ROOP (above) and her daughter Catherine. Eight of the nine CARROLL children were found in their own households. As mentioned earlier, no record was found for Nancy who married Andrew DAME.

In 1860 we find Robert CARROLL age 74 in the census with young people who may be grandchildren.

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1860 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Christiansburg (ancestry.com)
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1860 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Christiansburg (ancestry.com)

1860 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Christiansburg
Robert Carroll 74 wheelright
Robert Carroll 22 laborer (1850 age 22)
Sarah Carroll 21 (1850 age 14/15, poss. a daughter of Rose)
Elisha Carroll 14 (1850 age 0, son of Ruth Ratliff Rose)
Isaac Rose 35 basket maker
Ruth Rose 20 (1850 age 22, daughter of Sarah Ratliff)
Malinda Rose 7
Druscilla Rose 1
Note: ages of persons in household are off by 5-10 years

The young Robert seen in this household may be his son but the age is off by 10 years. A Robert CARROLL age 12 was not found in the 1850 census. In 1850 Robert’s son Robert R. CARROLL was in prison and the wife Evaline had her own household with their son Jesse. She has not been located in 1860 but in 1868 she was a widow and remarried. She had her last child about 1862 and he was named Giles Gordon CARROLL.

Sarah CARROLL seen in Robert’s household in 1860 was found twice in 1850, in the household of Rose Carroll JUSTICE and in the household of Sarah RATLIFF.

Elisha CARROLL was the son of Ruth CARROLL (aka Ruth RATLIFF) per his marriage record. Ruth, wife of Isaac ROSE, was listed as Ruth RATLIFF, daughter of Sarah RATLIFF, when she married in 1853. Ruth and Isaac have not been found after 1860. Why would Ruth’s son Elisha have the CARROLL surname if his mother was a RATLIFF? Could it be that Ruth’s mother Sarah RATLIFF was actually a CARROLL as she is seen in 1870? Is Sarah the young girl seen in Robert’s household in 1810 and then again in 1840. Could she be Robert’s sister?

Sarah RATLIFF in Census

1850 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Sarah Ratliff F 55 Virginia
Ruth Carroll F 22 Virginia (daughter of Sarah per marriage record)
Sarah Carroll F 14 Virginia (daughter of Rose?)
Drusilla Carroll F 10 Virginia (daughter of Rose per 1880)
Elijah Carroll M 0 Virginia (son of Ruth per marriage record)
Lucinda Norris F 30 Virginia (relationship unknown)
Julia A. Norris F 10 Virginia (relationship unknown)
Harvey Norris M 2 Virginia (relationship unknown)

1860 U.S. Federal Census
Sarah Ratliff aka Sarah Carroll was not found.

1870 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Christiansburg
Justice, Rose M. 46
Justice, Drucilla 26 (daughter of Rose per 1880)
Justice, Ellen 11 (daughter of Drusilla per 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930)
Carroll, Sallie 84 (aka Sarah Ratliff)
Rose, Amanda 3 (poss. daughter of Ruth and Isaac Rose who disappeared aft. 1860)

1880 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Auburn
Justis, Drucilla 37 single (died bet. 1930-1940)
Justis, Rosa M. 63 widowed mother (died bet. 1880-1900)
Ratliff, Sallie 90 widowed grandmother (died bet. 1880-1900)

Wrinkle in my timeline

The 1880 census listing for Sallie RATLIFF threw me. I thought at first glance that “Sallie” was the mother of “Rosa” but this would put a wrinkle in my timeline for the Robert CARROLL family and add complications.

I’ve spent hours going back and forth with this information. My problem is a riddle: If Rose CARROLL was the daughter of Robert CARROLL and Sarah RATLIFF was the grandmother of Rose’s daughter Drusilla CARROLL aka Drusilla JUSTICE, then either Sarah was the mother of Rose or she was the mother of Drusilla’s unknown father. I would much rather think that she was not Drusilla’s mother as this would mean that Robert and Sarah (who was not his wife) had a child together.

Can I trust the census records that show these people using one surname and then changing to another without marrying? Can you see my predicament? I hope that by putting all the information into this post someone will see it and hopefully have the answers. I may have to take Diane Gould Hall’s advice and get images of the marriage records in hopes of finding more information than is transcribed.

Bottom Line

The bottom line is that Robert and Anne CARROLL were the parents of John, Elizabeth, Mary, Rose and Catherine and they may have had four more children. Speculation on my part is that Peninah, Nancy, Joseph and Robert were these four children.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful to be able to go back in time and talk to Mary ROOP, the daughter of Robert and Anne CARROLL, who lived to be 100 years old and could vividly tell of events that happened when she was young?

Mrs. Mary Roop, last living child of Robert and Anne CARROLL d. 1909

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The Times Dispatch. (Richmond, Va.), 09 Jan. 1909. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress.

Mrs. Mary Roop, of Auburn, in this county, has been quite ill for several days, but her friends have strong hopes of her recovery, although she is quite advanced in years, having celebrated her ninety-eighth birthday on New Year’s Day. She was born on the first day of January, 1809, a few miles from her present residence, and so far as is known she is the oldest person in the county. Her husband, the late Joseph Roop, died of a cancer in 1876, and she has lived with her youngest daughter at the old home place ever since. She can tell of events which happened ninety years ago as vividly as if she were speaking of things which took place only a year ago, and her memory is the wonder of the community.
All five of her sons fought in the late Civil War, one of whom lost his life in the service and the other four are still living in the county,as are three daughters, the youngest having died one years ago. She has a large number of grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and some half a dozen great-great-grandchildren, in all the greatest number of descendants of any living person in this county.[8]

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The Times Dispatch. (Richmond, Va.), 13 Jan. 1907. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress.

Mrs. Mary Roop [Special to The Times-Dispatch.]
Christiansburg, VA., January 8. – Mrs. Mary Roop died at her residence, near Riner, in Montgomery county, yesterday after an illness of several months, aged 100 years and six days, being the oldest person in this county. She was born within a few miles of Riner on the first day of January, 1809. She was a remarkable woman, having never suffered any illness of consequence until a short time ago, and was clear in mind and memory until a few days before her death.
Her husband, the late Joseph Roop, died in 1876, and she continued to live at the old Homestead until her death, refusing to leave to live with any of her children, although often urged to do so. She leaves three sons and three daughters living, three of her children having died, the oldest living child now being nearly eighty years old. She also leaves over 100 descendants, embracing six generations. R. I. Roop, of this place, is one of her grandsons. The burial took place to-day at the family burying ground, near her home.[9]

If you missed the first part you can find it here.

Sources:
[1] Ancestry.com. Virginia, Marriages, 1740-1850 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1999. Original data: Dodd, Jordan R., et al.. Early American Marriages: Virginia to 1850. Bountiful, UT, USA: Precision Indexing Publishers.
[2] Louise Roop Anderson Akers, comp., The Family Rub, Rup, Rupe, Roop, Roope (2001 Printed by Jamont Communications, 339 Luck Ave., Roanoke, VA 24016). Photocopy of page with marriages by Richard Buckingham.
[3] Floyd County, Virginia, Marriages 1831-1900; transcribed by Barbara Reininger from images copied from microfilm by Rena Worthen; online http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~barbr/zz_marriages.htm.
[4] Ancestry.com. Virginia, Deaths and Burials Index, 1853-1917 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: “Virginia Deaths and Burials, 1853–1912.” Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2010. Index entries derived from digital copies of original and compiled records.
[5] Ancestry.com. Virginia, Select Marriages, 1785-1940 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2014. Original data: Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013. FHL Film Number: 32633. Reference ID: P 289
[6] Louise Roop Anderson Akers, comp., The Family Rub, Rup, Rupe, Roop, Roope (2001 Printed by Jamont Communications, 339 Luck Ave., Roanoke, VA 24016). Photocopy of marriage bond of William Roop and Catherine Carrell.
[7] “Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940,” index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XR8J-69S : accessed 21 Oct 2014), James Justice and Rose Carroll, 21 Oct 1848; citing Montgomery County, Virginia, reference P 308; FHL microfilm 32633.
[8] The times dispatch. (Richmond, Va.), 13 Jan. 1907. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress.  (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038615/1907-01-13/ed-1/seq-18/ : accessed 2014)
[9] The times dispatch. (Richmond, Va.), 09 Jan. 1909. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038615/1909-01-09/ed-1/seq-2/ : accessed 2014)

© 2014 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

52 Ancestors: #42 James ROOP 1808-1890 – Found on 8 Consecutive Censuses!

52ancestors“The challenge: have one blog post each week devoted to a specific ancestor. It could be a story, a biography, a photograph, an outline of a research problem — anything that focuses on one ancestor.”

This is entry #42 in Amy Johnson Crow’s Challenge: 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks.

52 Ancestors: #42 James ROOP 1808-1890 – Found on 8 Consecutive Censuses!

Descendants of the 1752 immigrant Johann Jacob RUPP used different spellings of the surname — RUPP, RUPE, ROOP, ROUP, ROOPE, ROUPE, RUPPE — from one generation to the next, even in the same family and same generation.

James ROOP was the baby of the RUPE family until his brother Joseph was born three years later. They were the 13th and 14th children of Henry RUPE and Catherine Barbara NOLL.

I can’t imagine my 4th great-grandfather James ROOP being called Jimmie. I think he may have been given the nickname “Jimmie” after his death, maybe from a well meaning descendant. When he was old enough to marry, have his own household, see his children marry, make his will – he was always James ROOP, without a middle initial. This will be discussed, below, after the 1880 census listing.

James was the youngest of 17 people in his father Henry RUPE’s household in 1810. By this time James’ oldest sister Elizabeth had been married about seven years to James COMPTON. Was this couple and their son part of the household?

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1810 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Henry Rupe [ancestry.com]
1810 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Christiansburg
Page 18
Henry Rupe
Free White Persons – Males – Under 10: 4 (James 2, Samuel 9, William 10, and ?)
Free White Persons – Males – 16 thru 25: 3 (George 19, John 21, Henry 21, William 24)
Free White Persons – Males – 45 and over: 2 (Henry 45 and ?)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 10: 2 (Nancy 4, Rachel 6)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 15: 1 (Mary 8)
Free White Persons – Females – 16 thru 25: 3 (Barbara 18, Catherine 15, and ?)
Free White Persons – Females – 45 and over : 2 (Catherine 42 and ?)
Number of Household Members Under 16: 7
Number of Household Members Over 25: 4
Number of Household Members: 17

Living next door to Henry RUPE was his nephew Jacob WEAVER with his wife, a son, two brothers, a sister, and his mother – Henry’s sister.

James’ parents Henry and Catherine were born in Virginia per census listings of their four living children William, Rachel, Nancy, and James in 1880. This is not correct. Family tradition is that Heinrich Thomas “Henry” RUPE (1765-1845) was born about 1765 in Baltimore County, Maryland. We know that his wife Catherine Barbara NOLL (1768-aft. 1845) was born on 24 February 1768 and christened on 13 March 1768 in Manchester, Baltimore County, Maryland per church records.[1] Manchester was originally part of Baltimore County, before the creation of Carroll County in 1837.

Following the end of the American Revolutionary War (19 Apr 1775-14 Jan 1784), Henry married Catherine in Baltimore County, Maryland. Catherine was a Lutheran and Henry was German Reformed. The church they attended was called Zion and it was a union church. Both the Lutherans and the Reformed used the same building. The births and christenings of their first five children were recorded at this church: Jacob born 15 June 1786 and christened 30 July 1786; Elizabeth born 4 September 1787 and christened 31 October 1787; twins Heinrich Thomas “Henry” and Johannes “John” born 27 February 1789 and christened 26 April 1789; and Barbara E. born 29 October 1792 and christened after 29 October 1792.[1]

James’ father Henry owned 100 acres of  land in Baltimore County, Maryland, that he had bought from his father Johann Jacob RUPP who acquired 115 acres in 1770 with Pennsylvania money. The land was known as Rhineharts Folly and was sold to Jacob Boblitz in 1793. Henry and Catherine were preparing to move their family farther south.

They left Maryland in 1793 and made at least one stop along the way in Rockbridge County before continuing on to their destination. They arrived in Montgomery County, Virginia, in 1800. There is an interesting anecdote about why it took them so long.

Traveling on what was once the Baltimore and Memphis Turnpike, the Rupe caravan crossed the Potomac at Harper’s Ferry in 1796. The caravan included Henry, his wife Catherine, and their family of several sons and daughters, the three older brothers of Henry, and their families. In crossing the Potomac the cattle and other larger animals were forced to swim, and the sons of Henry held the ropes attached to the horns of the cows. One wild cow pulled one of the unsuspecting Rupe boys overboard while crossing and he might have been lost had they not missed the cow, which finally reached shore with the boy swinging to her tail some distance down stream. The three brothers of Henry split with one of them going to Ohio, one to Western North Carolina, and the other to Georgia. Henry and family journeyed through the Shenandoah Valley and into Rockbridge County, bound for the southwestern section of the state, then rather sparsely settled. When they reached Buffalo Creek, four miles north of Natural Bridge, a great flood overtook them and they were forced to remain for several days. A report reached them that Natural Bridge had washed away, and it being the only passage, it would require four years to restore the bridge. They settled on Buffalo Creek and built a mill there, which they operated for years before they learned that the report of the bridge destruction was like Mark Twain’s comment on the first report of his death, considerable exaggereated. Early in the year 1800 they left Rockbridge Co. and wound up in Lunenburg Co., VA where they had at least one child before settling on Pelham’s Branch, near Little River, about eight miles southwest of Christiansburg, Montgomery Co., VA. The first recorded document for Henry in this area was the purchase of 326 acres on Aug. 17, 1804 from Abner Lester, to whom it had been granted by the Commonwealth in 1795. ~a report given by Henry’s great-grandson Redmond Ira ROOP at a family reunion in 1927[2]

During  their travels three more children were born: George P. ca. 1794, Catherine ca. 1795, and William in 1800 in Rockbridge. Once in Montgomery the family continued to grow. Samuel B. was born 1801, Mary “Polly” abt 1802, Rachel abt 1804, and Nancy abt 1806 before the two youngest, James abt 1808 and Joseph abt 1811 were born.

After Joseph was born, James’ parents must have decided that fourteen was enough. The oldest of their brood were beginning to have a look around at possible spouses in preparation for marrying and starting families of their own. Before the 1820 census five marriages took place and two of James’ sisters had illegitimate children:

  • John RUPE married Elizabeth THOMPSON (1795-1870) on 14 January 1813 in Montgomery County, Virginia
  • Jacob ROOP married Susannah ALLEY (1790-1860) 15 April 1815 in Montgomery County, Virginia
  • Catherine “Caty” RUPE married Jacob AKERS (1775-1860) on 27 June 1815 in Montgomery County, Virginia
  • George RUPE married Margaret BALDWIN (1799- ) on on 5 December 1818 in Jefferson County, Tennessee
  • William RUPE married Ester AKERS (1802-1846) on 7 June 1820 in Montgomery County, Virginia
  • Barbary RUPE created a bit of a scandal by giving birth to a male bastard child on the 20th day of November 1815. Barbary signed a statement on the 25th day of July 1816 that it was George PETERMAN who got her with child. They did not marry.
  • Mary “Polly” ROOP had a daughter abt. 1818. Per the daughter’s marriage record her father was a DOBBINS.

One would think with so many children marrying Henry’s household would be shrinking. This was not the case as his two unmarried daughters and their children remained in the home. James was twelve in 1820 and may have been responsible for chores that his older married brothers once took care of. His single brothers Henry 31 and Samuel 18 were living at home and may have taken James along when they went hunting or worked their father’s land.

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1820 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Newburn > Henry Roop Sr. [ancestry.com]
1820 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Newburn Township
Henry Roop Sr.
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons – Males – Under 10: 2 (Joseph 9 and George 5, s/o Barbara)
Free White Persons – Males – 10 thru 15: 1 (James 12)
Free White Persons – Males – 16 thru 18: 1 (Samuel 18)
Free White Persons – Males – 16 thru 25: 1 (Samuel 18)
Free White Persons – Males – 26 thru 44: 1 (Henry 31)
Free White Persons – Males – 45 and over: 1 (Henry 55)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 10: 1 (Barbary 2, d/o Mary)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 15: 1 (Nancy 14)
Free White Persons – Females – 16 thru 25: 3 (Rachel 16, Mary 18, Barbara 28)
Free White Persons – Females – 45 and over : 1 (Catherine 52)
Number of Persons – Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons – Under 16: 5
Free White Persons – Over 25: 3
Total Free White Persons: 12
Total All Persons – White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 12

In 1823 James saw two more of his siblings marry. Henry ROOP Jr. married Mary “Polly” THOMPSON (1802-1880) on 7 June 1823 and Rachel RUPE married John B. PHARIS (1797-1866) on 20 October 1823. Both marriages took place in Montgomery County, Virginia.

When John R. Charlton came around the RUPE place in June of 1830, James was 23 and still living at home. His parents were growing old and his sisters Barbara, Mary and Nancy were unmarried mothers of 5 boys and 3 girls and still living in the RUPE household. Jacob, Henry Jr., John, and William had their own households.

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1830 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Henry Roope Sr. [ancestry.com]
1830 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Blacksburg
Enumerated by John R. Charlton
Page 89
Henry Roope Sr.
Free White Persons – Males – Under 5: 3 (grandsons: Byrd 3, s/o Barbara; Henry 4, s/o Mary; and James R. 4, s/o Mary)
Free White Persons – Males – 5 thru 9: 1 (grandson Crockett 7, s/o Mary)
Free White Persons – Males – 10 thru 14: 1 (grandson George 15, s/o Barbara)
Free White Persons – Males – 15 thru 19:    1 (Joseph 19)
Free White Persons – Males – 20 thru 29: 2 (James 23, Samuel 29)
Free White Persons – Males – 60 thru 69: 1 (Henry 65)
Free White Persons – Females – 5 thru 9:    2 (granddaughters: Susan 7, d/o Barbara, and Elizabeth 7, d/o Mary)
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 14: 1 (granddaughter Barbary 12, d/o Mary)
Free White Persons – Females – 20 thru 29: 2 (Mary 28, Nancy 24)
Free White Persons – Females – 30 thru 39: 2 (Barbara 38, unknown)
Free White Persons – Females – 60 thru 69: 1 (Catherine 62)
Free White Persons – Under 20: 9
Free White Persons – 20 thru 49: 8
Total Free White Persons: 17
Total – All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 17

James ROOP married Elizabeth CARROLL on 23 July 1830 in Montgomery County, Virginia. Did they live with his parents during the early years of their marriage? His father, who did not own slaves, had quite a large amount of land by then and needed his sons’ help to farm it.

The last of James’ brothers married in the 1830s in Montgomery County. Joseph ROOP married Mary “Polly” CARROLL (1809-1909) on 13 September 1831 and Samuel B. ROOP married Martha “Patsy” TOWNSLEY (1815-1870) on 7 January 1834. Joseph and James’ wives were sisters, daughters of Robert and Anne CARROLL.

James and Elizabeth had a half dozen children born in Montgomery County in the 1830s:

  • Ch 1: Amanda “Manda” ROOP (1831-1894) born September 1831
  • Ch 2: Floyd ROOP (1833-1923) born 12 May 1833
  • Ch 3: Evaline ROOP (1835-1888) born 3 March 1835
  • Ch 4: Peradine ROOP (1835-1909) born 30 November 1835
  • Ch 5: Gordon H. ROOP (1838-1863) born about 1838
  • Ch 6: Barbary Ellen ROOP (1839-1910) born 28 June 1839

In 1840 John R. Charlton once again walked or rode through the division, this time enumerating 9 RUPE households. James’ sisters Barbary and Mary had their own households. Their father Henry was not listed as a Revolutionary War pensioner.

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1840 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > James Rupe (line 3) [ancestry.com]
1840 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Page 26
James Rupe
Free White Persons – Males – Under 5: 1 (Gordon 2)
Free White Persons – Males – 5 thru 9: 1 (Floyd 7)
Free White Persons – Males – 30 thru 39: 1 (James 32)
Free White Persons – Females – Under 5: 3 (Avaline 5, Peradine 4, and Barbary Ellen 1)
Free White Persons – Females – 5 thru 9: 1 (Amanda 9)
Free White Persons – Females – 30 thru 39: 1 ((Elizabeth 32)
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons – Under 20: 6
Free White Persons – 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons – Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 8

Three more children were born in Montgomery County following the 1840 census:

  • Ch 7: Giles Henderson ROOP (1841-1863) born 2 February 1841
  • Ch 8: William H. T. ROOP (1843-1863) born 6 November  1843
  • Ch 9: Rachel Monacha ROOP (1845-1901) born about 1845

James’ father Henry RUPE prepared a will on 18 November 1845 and died suddenly of heart failure at the age of 80, while out walking on the farm sometime between the date of the will and the date of probate, which was 1 December 1845. He was survived by his wife Catherine whose date of death remains unknown. James and his siblings buried their father on the Old Henry Rupe Homeplace.

Memorial Plaque
Henry and Catherine Rupe Family Memorial (2003) courtesy of Roger Roop.

Catherine and her daughters Elizabeth Compton, Barbara Rupe, Mary Roop, and Nancy Roop were missing in the 1850 census. Redmond Ira ROOP, a lawyer and great-grandson of old Henry, in his presentation at the 1927 family reunion, said that Catherine died in 1861 at the age of 95. She would have been 93 if she died in 1861, but what’s a year or two when you are in your nineties? She was not found in the 1860 census.

James’ brother William lost his wife, mother of nine children, about the same time as their father died. William then married Catherine CARROLL (1819-1879)  on 4 November 1846 in Montgomery County, Virginia. Catherine was the third daughter of Robert and Anne CARROLL to marry one of the ROOP boys.

The year before the 1850 census was an eventful year for James, his wife, and their nine children. Elizabeth was pregnant with her 10th child. James wanted to get his own piece of land as his father’s estate would require several years to be settled. His father had left a large estate and James’ brother Jacob was named as executor in the will. On account of there being so many heirs widely scattered over the country, Jacob almost despaired a number of times before the estate was finally settled. Once in his desperation he exclaimed, “Well, it has been so troublesome and vexatious that I am almost sorry that old gentleman ever died.”[2]

James and Elizabeth’s 10th child was born in September of 1849 and was named James Anderson ROOP. He was the first of their children to be born in Floyd County on the land that James would own. He’d made the decision to buy a piece of land containing 600 acres about 9 1/2 miles northwest of Floyd, in Floyd County, Virginia, on what is now known as the White Oak Grove Road. Alvin GRAHAM sold the 600 acres to James ROOP and the deed was recorded on 17 November 1849 in Floyd County’s Deed Book E on page 377.

James cleared up the land and hewed the logs to build their house. He built a one-room, log structure, about 24 feet by 12 feet. The logs were daubed with mortar. The chimney was located on the southwest end and made with rocks. He built an unusually large fireplace with an arch of homemade bricks over the fireplace and a plain log mantel. The one-story log house had a hip roof with shingle and very plain wood cornices. There was no porch and the entrance was a plain yellow pine door made by nailing large planks together. It had common iron hinges and an old-fashioned door lock on the outside. Two unshuttered windows with 16 7″ by 10” panes brought light into the single room. The ceiling was 8 feet high. James must have had help to lift the logs so high. Broad even planks made from hand-hewed logs covered the floor. There was no cellar and therefore no stairway. He built the kitchen about 8-10 feet away from the house as was common in those days.[3]

Years later the building was in such poor condition that it was torn apart and moved. In 1938 it was being used for a cow house by James’ grandson Amos L. ROOP (1855-1941) who lived on the property at the time.

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1850 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Floyd > ED 15 > Page 445 > HH #938-938 >James Roop [ancestry.com]
1850 U.S. Federal Census
Floyd County, Virginia
The Western District No. 15, Page No. 445
Enumerated by me, on the 7th day of September 1850. Joseph L. Howard Ass’t Marshal.
HH #938-938
James Roop 42 M Farmer $600 Montgomery cannot read & write
Elizabeth Roop 42 F Floyd cannot read & write
Amanda Roop 18 F Montgomery
Floyd Roop 17 M Laborer Montgomery
Evaline Roop 15 F Montgomery
Peradine Roop 14 F Montgomery attended school within year
Gordon Roop 12 M Montgomery attended school within year
Barbary C. Roop 10 F Montgomery attended school within year
Giles Henderson Roop 8 M Montgomery
William H. T. Roop 6 M Montgomery
Rachel Manerva Roop 5 F Montgomery
James Roop 8/12 M Floyd

Starting in 1850 until 1880 James was always seen as a farmer in the census. In 1850 the enumerator Joseph L. Howard misread the column “Place of Birth Naming the State, Territory, or Country” and filled in the name of the county that the individual was born in. Thank you Mr. Howard! This is how I know that little James was the first child to be born on the new homeplace. Two more children were born there:

  • Ch 11: Hamilton N. ROOP (1854-1919) born abt. December 1853
  • Ch 12: Charles Monroe ROOP (1854-1928) born 10 August 1854

Five marriages took place in 1855-1856. Manda, Floyd and Peradine married in 1855, the year before the White Oak Grove Church was built by neighbors of the community about a mile southeast of the James ROOP home. The first pastor of the church was my 5th great-grandfather, Rev. Owen SUMNER. The church was used as a school during the week. Evaline and Gordon may have married too early in 1856 to have their marriages performed in the new building but both were married by Rev. SUMNER, the grandfather of Gordon’s wife Emaline LESTER.

More information on the marriages of James and Elizabeth’s children will be included in Elizabeth’s story next week.

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1860 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Floyd > HH#712-669 [ancestry.com]
1860roopcensus2
1860 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Floyd > HH#712-669 [ancestry.com]
1860 U.S. Federal Census
Floyd County, Virginia
Page No. 99+100, Sheet No. 533+534
Enumerated by me, on the 16th day of July, 1960. Geo M. Well, Ass’t Marshal.
Post Office Floyd C.H. Va.
HH #712-669
James Roop 50 M Farmer $2000 $292 Virginia
Elizabeth Roop 50 F Virginia cannot read & write
Amanda Lester 28 F Virginia
Giles H. Roop 19 M Virginia attended school
William H. T. Roop 17 M Virginia attended school
Barbary C. Roop 20 F Virginia attended school
Rachel M. Roop 14 F Virginia attended school
Jas Roop 10 M Virginia attended school
Hamilton N. Roop 7 M Virginia attended school
Charles M. Roop 5 M Virginia attended school
Jas R. Lester 4 M Virginia (son of Amanda)
Lafayette Lester 2 M Virginia (son of Amanda)

American Civil War (4 Feb 1861-23 Jun 1865)

At the beginning of the War Between the States the soldiers were gathered in the White Oak Grove Church and mustered. The ladies of the community prepared food and took it to the church for the men. Four of James ROOP’s sons (Floyd, Gordon, Giles Henderson and William H. T.) and two of his daughters’ husbands (Amanda’s husband George Washington LESTER and Peradine’s husband Sylvester MILLS) served in Company A, 54th Infantry Regiment Virginia. Daughter Evaline’s husband Mathias RATLIFF served in Company E of the same regiment. Seven men in the family served and three did not come home: my third great-grandfather Gordon and his brothers Giles and William died in Georgia in 1863 while serving.

James and Elizabeth’s daughter Rachel married at home in 1866. Rev. SUMNER came to the house to perform the ceremony. Their son James married in 1868 in Montgomery County.

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1870 U. S. Federal Census > VA > Floyd > Alum Ridge > 5B > HH#68-66 [ancestry.com]
1870censusroop2
1870 U. S. Federal Census > VA > Floyd > Alum Ridge > 5A > HH#68-66 [ancestry.com]
1870 U. S. Federal Census
Floyd County, Virginia
Page No. 9+10, Sheet 5A+5B
Alum Ridge Township
Enumeratd by me on the 5th day of August, 1870. B. P. Elliott, Ass’t Marshal.
Post Office Floyd C. H. Va.
HH #68-66
Roop, James 62 M W Farmer $1,500 $430 Virginia male US citizen over 21 yo
Roop, Elizabeth 62 F W Keeping house Virginia cannot read & write
Roop, Hamilton N. 17 M W farm laborer Virginia cannot read & write
Roop, Charles M. 15 M W farm laborer Virginia cannot read & write
Roop, Barbara E. 30 F W without occupation Virginia cannot read & write

In 1870 James’ household included his wife, two youngest sons, and Barbara Ellen who was on her way to being an old maid. James and Elizabeth’s youngest sons Hamilton and Charles were married by Rev. SUMNER at his home in 1872 and 1873. This left James and Elizabeth alone in 1880 as Barbary was living with her sister Rachel and her family.

1880censusroop
1880 U.S. Federal Census > VA > Montgomery > Christiansburg > ED 50 Sheet 356B > HH#151-153 [ancestry.com]
1880 U.S. Federal Census
Montgomery County, Virginia
Page No. 18
Christiansburg Magisterial District
Enumeration District No. 50, Sheet No. 356B
Enumerated the 11th day of June, 1880. John C. Wade, enumerator.
HH #151-153
Roop, James Sr. W M 71 married Farmer cannot read & write VA VA VA
Roop, Elizabeth W M 71 wife married Keeping House cannot write VA VA VA

James ROOP was never listed with a middle initial in any of the above censuses or on marriage records of his children. Ancestry.com has him indexed as James W. ROOP in the 1880 census. A close look at the census image shows that he was listed as Sr. and his son James A. ROOP who lived next door was listed as Jr. This does not mean that James shared the same middle initial or middle name with his son. The abbreviation Sr. was misread for a W. [I needed to get that straigthened out!]

The last of James and Elizabeth’s children finally married in 1888. Barbary was 49 years old the first time she married. It would not be the last. She was widowed twice and married again in 1898 and 1906. She didn’t remain an old maid after all.

James’ wife Elizabeth passed away during the 1880s. James most likely was enumerated on the Montgomery County census in 1890 as he is not seen on the substitute used for Floyd. The actual 1890 Floyd County, Virgina, census was among those destroyed in the fire/flood in Washington in 1921. An abbreviated copy was made before the original was sent off and can be found in the Court House in Floyd. In 1890 James made his will, dated 31 January 1890, in Floyd County and died there on 2 November 1890. If he had been on the 1890 substitute for Floyd he would have been found in nine consecutive censuses.

James Roop’s Will
Recorded in Floyd County, Virginia
Will Book F
Page 486

Will and Testament of James Roop – In the name of God, Amen. I James Roop of the County of Floyd and State of Virginia, being weake of body, but of mind and memory and calling to mind the mortality of my body make and ordain this my Will and Testament – and as vouching my worldly estate. When with it has pleased God to bless me with this life – I deaded to Floyd Roop, my son, he being heir of my body one hundred akers of land being part, this land lying in the County of Floyd and the State of Virginia, joining land of James Simmons and John Altizer and others. – I also bond James Roop, my son, being heir of my body, one hundred akers of land, this land being sold to George W. Lester of said James Roop and this deed were made to George W. Lester instead of James Roop, this land joining Cornelius Altizer. – I also bond Hamilton N. Roop, my son, being heir of my body, one hundred and twenty akers of land, said Hamilton N. Roop sold to A. L. Roop and this dead being made to A. L. Roop instead of Hamilton N. Roop, this land joining George Nixon. – I also deaded Charley Roop, my son, one hundred akers of land, he being heir of my body, this deed were made to his wife and heirs instead of said Charley Roop, this land joining Perdine Peterman.
I allso desire Gordon Roop, my son, he be heir of my body, his heirs to have fifteen dollars, a peace, there names being Thomas Roop, and Gordon Roop and Dolley Roop.
Perdine Roop, my daughter, she being heir of my body, has received her part in land this dead was made to Silvester Mills her husban instead of said Perdine his wife, This land is none (sic, known) as the Canaan Simons land lying on the Waters of Little River joining lands of C. D. Lester, this land lying in the County of Floyd and State of Virginia. – The amount of Perdine money that I paid for this land is mention in Silvester’s deed.
I allso desire at my death for the rest of my estate to be eaqely divided amongst my four daughters. They being heirs of my body, Amanda Roop, and Avealine Roop, and Barbery Roop, and Rachel M. Roop. My requests is that A. L. Roop to be my Administrator. – This 31st day of January 1890.
                                                      His
                                                        James X Roop
                                                                  Mark
Witness: James A. Simmons
                H. D. Simmons

Virginia – In Floyd County Court held on this 14th day of September 1897, a paper in writing, purporting to be the last Will and Testament of James Roop, deceased, was produced  in court proven by the Oaths of James A. Simmons and H. D. Simmons, the Subscribing Witnesses thereto. Admitted to probate and ordered to be recorded. Thereupon,  A. L. Roop, the Executor named in same Will. Together with Ira S. Hylton and J. M. Roop, his surieties, entered unto said acknowledged a Bond in the Penalty of $1000.00 conditioned according to law. A certificate is granted said A. L. Roop for obtaining probate of said will in due form.[4]

Final settlement of James ROOP’s will was made on 18 September 1897 in Floyd County, Virginia.

Sources:
[1] C. T. Zahn and Frederick S. Weiser, translators and editors, Maryland German Church Records Volume 10, Zion Church “The German Church”, Manchester, Carroll County — today Trinity United Church of Christ Records, 1760-1836 and Immanuel Lutheran Church Records, 1760-1853  (published by the Historical Society of Carroll County, Westminster, Maryland).
[2] Everette L. McGrew, My Mother Was A Rupe (revised August 2000).
[3] Peters, Genevieve H., “The Jimmie Roop Homeplace” Richmond, Va. : Library of Virginia, 1999. 4 image files. This write-up is a part of the Virginia W.P.A. Historical Inventory Project sponsored by the Virginia Conservation Commission under the direction of its Division of History.
[4] Louise Roop Anderson Akers, comp., The Family Rub, Rup, Rupe, Roop, Roope (2001 Printed by Jamont Communications, 339 Luck Ave., Roanoke, VA 24016). Photocopy of page from Will Book found in this publication, transcribed 18 Oct 2014.

© 2014 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

Johan Anton NOLL (aka Anthony NOLL)

Door19Johan Anton NOLL (aka Anthony NOLL)
b. abt. 1720 Palatinate d. 1801 Baltimore County, Maryland

Where was his place of origin?

The ocean voyages were harsh, over-crowded, under-supplied, and unsanitary. Provisions supplied by the ship’s masters were generally the least expensive available and frequently ran out. We cannot imagine the suffering endured by our immigrant ancestors: the cold, wet, stench, sickness, disease, and even death. Survivors needed to be strong and healthy as well as courageous.

In 1744 some of the emigrant ships were captured by French and Spanish privateers and the emigrants were not able to continue to North America. Johann Anton NOLL, his wife Magdalena and daughter Elisabetha Margreth made the voyage and survived. They came from Rotterdam by way of Cowes arriving in Philadelphia on 8 October 1744 on the ship “Aurora” captained by Robert Pickeman. Another NOLL couple was also on the ship: Matthias and Elsa Catharina. Johan (sic, Anton) NOLL and Matthis (sic, Matthias) NOLL were two of the foreigners imported in the ship Aurora who took the Oath of Allegiance.

The annotated ship list on The Palatinate Project – Pennsylvania German Pioneers (broken link as of 6 February 2016) shows that their place of origin was “Gönndersdorf, Hessen-Nassau”. Gönndersdorf is not a known place name. In Annette Burgert’s book “WESTERWALD to AMERICA, page 161, there are two paragraphs concerning Anthon Noll & Matthias Noll. I believe that Burgert’s book is the source of the place of origin seen as an annotation and needs to be consulted to determine the correct spelling and possible location. [A lookup needs to be requested]

Since recruiting for the colonies generally occurred in a fairly localized region from which a group would travel together to Rotterdam and then on to the colonies, identifying the origin of others on the same ship may give clues as to the origin of a particular family. In the case of this ship list, annotations show that most of the families came from the Westerwaldkreis in Rheinland-Pfalz. I believe that the place name may be Gönnersdorf which is found three times in Rheinland: 1) Kreis Uhrweiler, 2) Kreis Neuwied, 3) Kreis Daun city. The last, in the Vulkaneifel, was also known as Gondersdorf, Gundersdorf, and Gundeszdorph in earlier times.

Other possibilities per Betseylee Browning [Germany/Prussia Genealogy Research]: Gebersdorf, Gittersdorf, Ginseldorf, Guntersdorf, Grebensdorf, Gersdorf, as well as Gronaunerhof and Guntershof.

The annotated list shows that Anton Noll’s wife’s maiden name was Brental. Did Anton and Magdalena and their daughter flee the old country because they were not allowed to marry? On 3 April 1753 Anton NOLL and Magdalene BRENTEL were married at St. Matthew’s Lutheran Church, Penn Township, York County, Pennsylvania. In March 1757 their daughter Elisabeth Margreth Noll was baptized. I have wondered if this entry in the Jacob Lischy’s Private Pastoral Records (York County, PA) may have been for her confirmation instead of baptism. She would have been at least 13 years old – close to the age that confirmations were performed in the Lutheran Church.

Anton Noll and his family moved from Hannover, York County, Pennsylvania, to Manchester, Carroll County, Maryland, sometime between 1757 and 1760. From 1760 Anton, his first wife, his second wife, his children from both marriages, as well as grandchildren are seen in Manchester in church records. [Source: Maryland German Church Records, Volume 10, Zion Church, “The German Church”, Manchester, Carroll County, MD]

In 1768, the year that my 5th great-grandmother, Catharine Barbara NOLL was born, her father Anton as well as her future-father-in-law Jacob Rub (sic, Johann Jacob Rupp) signed a petition to transfer the county seat from Joppa to “Baltimore Town”.

My big discovery this week while preparing this post was finding the entire “estate package”: will, administration bond, widow’s renunciation, inventories, orphans court record, accounts. It pulled everything together. Proves that there was only one Anton Noll who was married twice and all children mentioned in the church records are indeed his.

Anthony NOLL, as his name was written in his will dated 3 January 1801, was survived by his wife Catharina, 6 daughters, and 2 sons. In his will, he mentions his wife, his daughters Lovis, Elisabeth, Magdalena, and Betsy (no married names were given), his sons Francis and John and his daughter Catharina (clearly separated from the other children as she was the only child of his 2nd marriage). Catherine Barbara (Noll) RUPE, the only child no longer living in Maryland, was not mentioned in the will. Administration bonds were taken out and his will was probated 10 January 1801, inventory was dated 16 January 1801, widow’s renunciation dated 7 February 1801, and other accounts of his estate 1802-1808.

© 2013, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

Johann Jacob RUPP of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Northern Alsace, present-day France

Door 1This door has already been used for the immigrant Johann Jacob RUPP of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, Northern Alsace, present-day France.

It is a symbol for the research done on this family. The first door is open showing a passageway leading to another door which is closed.

Recent research shows that errors were made when the church records were searched by a previous researcher in the 1990s — but it opened the first door.

For the years between 1685 and 1752 (the year the family went to America), I found about 130 church records for Rupp individuals in the Bas-Rhin Archives. Nearly 65 of these have been inputted and attached to the GEDCOM file.

Once the rest have been inputted I’ll go through the church records again to check for Rupp individuals who were sponsors at baptisms or witnesses to records. This should lead to new clues concerning the relationships of the RUPP family groups in Steinseltz and Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg.

Below are the parents and paternal grandparents presently seen in the GEDCOM file:

………………/Johann Jacob RUPP
……./Johann Jacob RUPP
……|……….\Margareta [–?–] RUPP
Johann Jacob RUPP b: 8 MAR 1723 (immigrant)
…….\Maria Apollonia [–?–] RUPP

I now have the maiden name of the immigrant’s mother and her parents’ names. The big surprise is that the paternal grandparents are not the ones seen above!

© 2013, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

“I found the ship!”

Door 1“I found the ship!”

You never know where a breakthrough like this will come from. In April 2001 I posted to a GenForum board on Genealogy.com about a trip I was planning to the town that our RUPP ancestor came from in the Alsace region of France. A researcher for the WELTY family discovered that his ancestor and mine appeared on several documents together. He sent the following message: http://genforum.genealogy.com/france/alsacelorraine/messages/456.html

Previous researchers [including Theron Rupe, Louise Roop Anderson Akers and Everette L. McGrew], had done much research on the Rupp/Rupe/Roop(e)/Roup(e)/Ruppe family line before and after their arrival in America in 1752 but the ship had not been known.

This simple act of kindness gave proof that my Johann Jacob RUPP and his family arrived in Philadelphia on October 20, 1752, on the ship “Duke of Wirtenburg” that sailed from Rotterdam and Cowes under Captain Daniel Montpelier. Also on the ship were Hans George Gottle, Christian Stahl and Christoff Fridrich Biller whose names were found in later years in connection with Jacob Rupp.

This exciting news, received on September 11th, 2001, was overshadowed by what followed several hours later but it taught me a lesson about sharing and helping others.

© 2012, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.