Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #45 Three LILLIE Men and #46 Husband and Wife (Corrections)

The past two weeks I shared photographs which were taken in Detroit, Michigan, in front of apartment building #2122 on Marantette St. where Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1979) rented a unit and lived with his mother Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946), brother Raymond Egbert “Splitty” LILLIE (1904-1970), sister Ruth Joanna LILLIE (1907-1986), and son Lynn Vance LILLIE (1920-1993).

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After I posted #45 (Three LILLIE Men) and #46 (Mother and Son) my cousin Joe Rooney, son of Ike and Florence’s daughter Ruby Pernecia LILLIE (1909-1981), sent an email correcting the labeling of these pictures.

They were not part of the original collection of old photographs which were saved from the trash can. They were photographs Joe had in his possession and which were used to help identify persons in the collection. When Joe saw my posts he realized the identification for photo #46 had to be a mistake. He consulted the original and wrote in his email:

I mis-identified or mis-labeled one as Reese Lillie and Florence his Mom.  But on the back, I now see somebody had identified them as Grandpa and Grandma Lillie 1930.  Isaac and Florence.  I regret the mistake.

Due to the fact that Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE (1872-1932), husband of Florence, was not found in 1910 and 1920 census Joe had believed Ike died in 1918. We have since found his 1932 death record but he is still missing from the census. For whatever reason Ike did not live with his wife and children in Detroit but visited them as we can see by the photographs.

Corrected identification of photograph featured in post #46

ReeseFlorenceIsaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE and wife Florence ROYALTY in 1930

This photograph of Ike and his wife Florence was taken in 1930. For comparison I am including the photographs taken in 1920 at the time of the family reunion.

reunionThese were featured in Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #10 LILLIE Family 1920 Reunion. In the above, we see Ike and Florence at the very back, and in the picture below, Ike is #1.

smallgroupNow that we have #46 cleared up, who is the older man in #45 of the three LILLIE men? Taken at the same time and place as #46 the older man in the center cannot be Isaac LILLIE.

I believe he was Ike’s brother George Wyte LILLIE (1874-1943). The hat he is wearing hides part of his face but he resembles the second man from the right (#9) in the photo above as well as the younger George featured in Old Photographs from Trash Can #6.

collageCorrected identification of photograph featured in post #45

1920sRaymondIkeRoyGeorge Wyte LILLIE (1874-1943) in the middle with a cigar, and his nephews,  Raymond Egbert “Splitty” LILLIE (1904-1970) on the left and Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1979) on the right taken in 1930.

A lesson learned: Seeing your work in a different light or showing it to others may make an error pop-out. No matter how many times you go over your research or writing you will pass over mistakes. In this case my cousin Joe noticed the error after the photos were posted and brought it to my attention. He did what we should all do when we find error, bring it to the person’s attention as gently as possible. Think about how you would want to feel when being corrected.

More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

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© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #46 Husband and Wife

Original title was: Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #46 Mother and Son

UPDATE: The photograph featured here was partly mis-identified. Corrections were posted in Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #45 Three LILLIE Men and #46 Husband and Wife (Corrections)

This photograph was most likely taken the same day (late 1920s or early 1930s) as #45 Three LILLIE Men in front of the apartment Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1979) rented at 2122 Marantette St. in Detroit, Michigan.

ReeseFlorenceReese Gentry LILLIE with his mother Florence ROYALTY

Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE and his wife Florence ROYALTY

Reese Gentry LILLIE (1892-1965) lived in Brookport, Massac County, Illinois, with his second wife Nora Belle REED (1893-1961), his children from his first marriage and his daughter from his second marriage. His first wife Dovie DEEN (1894-1918) died soon after giving birth to their youngest son Ervin Preston LILLIE (1918-1945). Reese was the oldest son of Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE (1872-1932) and Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946).

Florence, the original collector of these old photographs, lived with her son Roy in Michigan. Her children Raymond Egbert “Splitty” LILLIE (1904-1970) and Ruth Joanna LILLIE (1907-1986) also lived with them in Michigan. Her husband Ike was not in the 1930 household in Detroit and may have come up to visit his wife and children with his son Reese (no photo of Reese was found in this collection) with his brother George Wyte LILLIE. Their youngest daughter Ruby Pernecia LILLIE (1909-1981) was living in Washington DC and working as a stenographer for the US Government.

An aside, I wonder if Florence named her children with names starting with an R for her maiden name ROYALTY – Reese, Roy, Raymond, Ruth, and Ruby.

More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
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© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #45 Three LILLIE Men

UPDATE: The photograph featured here was partly mis-identified. Corrections were posted in Old Photographs Saved From Trash Can ~ #45 Three LILLIE Men and #46 Husband and Wife (Corrections)

The first person whose photograph was featured in this series was my 1st cousin 4 times removed Albert Spencer LILLIE (1848-1913). Today I would like to share with you a picture of his son George Wyte LILLIE and two of his grandsons.

George’s brother Isaac Spencer “Ike” LILLIE (1872-1932) was the husband of Florence ROYALTY (1868-1946), the original collector of these old photographs. Ike and Florence were the parents of three sons and two daughters. They lost one child at a young age before the 1900 census.

This photograph was taken in the late 1920s or early 1930s in 1930. George, in the middle with a cigar, and his nephews,  Raymond Egbert “Splitty” LILLIE (1904-1970) on the left and Samuel Royalty “Roy” LILLIE (1895-1979) on the right.

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The LILLIE men are standing in front of the apartment Roy rented at 2122 Marantette St. in Detroit, Michigan. George’s brother Ike’s wife Florence was listed as married and living in her son Roy’s household at this address. Also in the household were Ike’s children Raymond and Ruth and Roy’s son Lynn Vance LILLIE. In 1930 Ike was still living but not found in the census. It is believed he may have been living in Brookport, Massac County, Illinois were he died in 1932. In 1940 Roy, Raymond, and Ruth were still living at the same address with their mother Florence.

More about this collection, how it came to be in my possession,
and links to previous posts in the series can be found here.

Please contact me!
Are you related to a person mentioned in this post? Send an email to
openingdoorsinbrickwalls @ pt.lu or message me on my Facebook page
Opening Doors in Brick Walls.

© 2016, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.