52 Ancestors: #4 Jacques’ Paternal Line Goes Back to Adam

Jacques “Jacobus” FABER, son of Joannis FABER of Schoos (Mersch, Grand Duché de Luxembourg) married Elisabeth WOLTER, daughter of Jacobi WOLTER and Marie Elisabeth MEYERS, on 9 June 1767 in Diekirch.[1] The marriage record shows he was the son of Joannis FABER of Schoos.

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1767 Marriage Record (left page, 2nd entry).[1]
Elisabeth was born and baptized on 28 June 1746 in Diekirch. Her godparents were Mathias Blohm and Elisabetha Böhm (Bladt), both of Diekirch.[2]

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1746 Baptismal Record. [2]
Jacques, who worked as a tailor (tailleur, Schneider), died in Diekirch on 16 February 1811 at 10 o’clock in the evening.[3] When his widow declared his death, she was incorrectly listed as being 49 years old. She was actually going on 65.

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1811 Death Record [3]
Elisabeth died on 25 December 1824 at one in the afternoon at her home in Diekirch.[4] Although she was 78 years old her age at death was listed as 84. The informants were her youngest son Johann FABER and Henri LEISEN, a neighbor.

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1824 Death Record [4]
Jacques and Elisabeth had the following children.

  1. Jacques FABER, born and baptized on 24 June 1768 in Diekirch. His godparents were Jacques REDING and Marie KESSELER, both of Diekirch.[5]. Jacques married Ursula HOSCHEID, daughter of Sébastien HOSCHEID and Ursula SPIEGEL, on 22 October 1799 in Ettelbrück. [6], [7] Ursule was born on 4 December 1755 in Erpeldange (Diekirch). Her date of birth and Jacques’ were found on the marriage record. She was 44 years old at the time of their marriage, nearly 13 years older than Jacques. No children have been found for this couple. Jacques died on 26 January 1812 in Diekirch. His widowed mother, age 70 (she was 65), declared his death. He was listed as the husband of Elisabeth WOLTER – an error – this was his mother’s name.[8] She could not read and write and likely did not notice the mistake. Further information on his wife Ursula HOSCHEID has not been located. Death records in Diekirch were checked from the time of marriage until 1853. § End of line.
  2. Cathérine FABER was born and baptized on 20 February 1772 in Diekirch. Her godparents were Guillaume SCHILTZ and Cathérine HERMAN, both of Diekirch.[9] No record of marriage or death has been found for Catharina. § End of line.
  3. Mathias FABER was born and baptized on 16 April 1775 in Diekirch. His godparents were Mathieu DRESCH and Marguerite CONRADT, both of Diekirch.[10] Mathias married Anne Cathérine SEHLEN, daughter of Henri SEHLEN and Susanne PROMMENSCHENCKEL, on 7 January 1805 in Diekirch.[11],[12] She was the widow of Jean MEYER who died 15 October 1803 in Diekirch. Anne was born on 9 September 1772 in Diekirch. She died on 11 May 1823 in Diekirch. Mathias died on 7 November 1847 in Diekirch.[13] Mathias and Anne Cathérine had three known sons and the line continued.
  4. Petrus FABER was born and baptized on 6 January 1779 in Diekirch. His godparents were Pierre SCHER/SAUER of Diekirch and Marie JUTTEL, of Diekirch.[14] He died on 23 August 1781 in Diekirch at the age of two and a half years.[15] § End of line.
  5. Wilhelmus FABER was born and baptized on 1 September 1782 in Diekirch. His godparents were Guillaume JORIS, of “Schinecken”or SCHOENECKEN and Anne Marie WAGENER, of Diekirch.[16] He died on 17 October 1786 in Diekirch at the age of four.[17] § End of line.
  6. Jean “Johann” FABER was born and baptized on 4 July 1787 in Diekirch. His godparents were Joannes FOOS and Catharina WOLTER, both of Diekirch.[18] He worked as day laborer (Taglöhner) on 16 February 1811 in Diekirch at the time of his father’s death.[1] Jean married Maria Catharina “Margaretha” SCHENTEN, daughter of Michel SCHENTEN and Cathérine OVERECKEN or UBERRECKEN, on 26 January 1813 in Diekirch.[19] Margaretha was born and baptized on 21 October 1784 in Gilsdorf. Her godparents were Antonius SCHROEDER and Maria Catharina SCHLOESSER, both of Gilsdorf.[20] She died on 27 March 1855 in Diekirch.[21] He died on 10 February 1864 in Diekirch.[22] This line continues as Johann FABER and Maria Catharina SCHENTEN were my children’s 4th great-grandparents.
Who Were the Parents of Jacques “Jacobus” FABER?

Jean “Joannis” FABER and his wife Anne Marie “Anna Maria” HUNTGES are found as the parents of my children’s 5th great-grandfather Jacques FABER (1741-1811) in several online GEDCOM files. Jacques’ marriage record confirms the name of his father as Joannis FABER of Schoos.[1] But was Joannis FABER of Schoos the same man as Jean FABER who was married to Anne Marie HUNTGES?

The answer to this question was supposed to be easy. Find Jacques’ birth/baptismal record with the names of his parents. The first difficulty was where to find the church records for the village of Schoos for the time period around 1741. Schoos belongs to commune of Fischbach in the canton of Mersch in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg per FamilySeach’s List of communes of Luxembourg. The baptisms in the church records of Fischbach begin with 1742 – possibly too late for Jacques’ baptism. I took it one step up and looked at the church records of Mersch were I found baptisms as early as 1675. I searched through the years 1735-1742, found children born in Schoos, but none with the surname FABER.

I then took a different approach. Confirm the information listed in the GEDCOMs for the couple seen as Jacques’ parents. Other children seen as theirs were born in Erpeldange where I looked for records.

I found baptismal records for five of six children of this couple. Two of the children are in the GEDCOM files but not attached to parents (the owners of the databases will be contacted). The baptismal records consistently give the names of the parents as Jois (4) or Joannis (1) FABER and Anna Maria, a married couple from Erpeldange. The children were born in 1728, 1732[23], 1736[24], 1739[25], 1744[26], and 1746[27] in Erpeldange. For the child born around 1728 no baptismal record was found – records appear to be missing from 1728-1731. However, marriage records of these children were also consulted. The son born abt. 1728 is seen as the legitimate child of Jois FABER majeri of Erpeldange in 1759.[28] The daughter born in 1732 is seen as the legitimate daughter of Joannis FABER of Erpeldange in 1753.[29]

There is a gap 5 years gap in the list of children between 1739 and 1744 which Jacques could fit in. However, Jacques’ marriage record shows he was the legitimate son of Joannis FABER of Schoos.

The FABER-HUNTGES family appears to have lived in Erpeldange from 1732 to 1746 when children’s baptisms were performed, in 1753 and 1759 when a son and a daughter married, and in 1780 when Anna Maria, wife of Jois FABER, died.[30]

Which FABER Family Lived in Schoos?

Is it possible the family lived for a short time in Schoos? I again checked the GEDCOMS with Luxembourgish families, this time for any FABER children born in Schoos. I found two candidates: Elizabeth b. abt. 1736 and Paul born abt. 1737 or 1742, both in Schoos. Marriages for both of these persons were checked as marriage dates and places were given.

Paul’s 1765 marriage in Consdorf lists father as Joannis FABER of Schoos.[31] Elizabeth’s first marriage in 1772 in Obermertzig lists father Joannis FABER and mother Margaretha THOMES.[32] Her second marriage in 1779 in Feulen lists the name of her deceased husband, confirming the 1772 marriage, but does not list parents.[33]

With the names of two FABER children born in Schoos I went back to the Mersch church records and searched again from 1734-1745 for these children paying close attention to all surnames listed in the entries as I now had a possible maiden name for the mother.

On 28 January 1735 a child named Paulus was baptized, his parents were Joannis and Margaretha THOMMES of Schoos.[34] On 23 September 1736 a child named Elisabetha was baptized, her parents were Joannis and Margaritha ADAM sive (or) THOMMES of Schoos.[35] Then on 29 Aug 1739 a child named Jacobus was baptzed, his parents were Joannis ADAM sive (or) THOMMES and Margaritha, both of Schoos.[36] No other children were found. [The Latin word sive means or – the family was know by the name ADAM or THOMMES.]

My next step was to check for a marriage for Joannis and Margaritha. There are index cards with marriages found in the church records in Luxembourg for most towns (online, browse only). I checked Mersch and found:[37]

1734joannesadamandmargaritamarriageThe entry for the marriage does not contain any more information than seen on the card.[38] Margaritha was the widow of Bernardus THOMMES. I found two children born to Bernardus and Margaritha in 1730[39] and 1732[40]. They were Joannes THOMMES and Maria Catharina THOMMES, half-siblings to Jacques.

No children were found for the years between 1724 and 1729. I looked for the Thommes surname only. Another look through for parents with the first names Bernardus and Margaritha could turn up the use of a different surname or house name as seen with the ADAM-THOMMES couple. A marriage in 1724 for Bernardus THOMMES shows he married a widowed woman named Anna, widow of Richard MÜLLER.[41] Further research will have to be done to determine if Anna is the same person as Margaritha. If so, then the Muller couple’s marriage will need to be found to determine the maiden name of Margaretha THOMMES, mother of Jacques.

Paulus, Elisabetha, and Jacobus were children of Joannis ADAM and Margaritha [maiden name unknown] THOMMES. No death records were found for Joannis and Margaritha. It is not known when they died or if one of them remarried. Why the children went by the surname FABER at the time of their marriages and during the rest of their lives is unknown.

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Jacques FABER aka Jacobus THOMMES
Parents:  Joannis ADAM and Margaritha THOMMES
Spouse: Elisabeth WOLTER
Parents of Spouse: Jacobi WELTER and Marie Elisabeth MEYERS
Whereabouts: Schoos and Diekirch, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: husband’s 4th great-grandfather

1. Jacques FABER aka Jacques THOMMES
2. Jean “Johann” FABER
3. Johann “Jean” FABER
4. Elisabetha “Elisabeth” “Elise” FABER
5. Johann Peter “Jean-Pierre” MEDER
6. Marcel Mathias MEDER
7. husband of Cathy Meder-Dempsey

Does Jacques’ Paternal Line Go Back to Adam?

I changed the title of this post several times while working on it. It started out as: The Faber-Wolter Family of Diekirch. Then the question came up: Who Were the Parents of Jacques “Jacobus” Faber? And what I found led to more questions and: A Proof Argument of the Parentage of Jacques Faber.

It was an exhaustive search, but, was this also exhaustive research? Do the records I found prove Jacques “Jacobus” FABER’s parents were Joannis ADAM aka THOMMES aka FABER and Margaritha THOMMES?

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Sources:
[1] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Diekirch > Mariages 1743-1794  > image 31 of 122. 1767 Marriage Record (left page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-MWLK?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-B87%3A1500890501%2C1500891002 : accessed 26 Dec 2016).
[2] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 20 of 373. 1746 Baptismal Record (right page, 7th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-LCD8?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 26 Dec 2016).
[3] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1662-1941 (images), FamilySearch (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Diekirch > Mariages 1843-1890 Décès 1797-1824 > image 1152 of 1493. 1811 Death Record No. 7 (at age 71). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12052-51221-90?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ND:n1913802954 : accessed 11 Apr 2013).
[4] Ibid., Diekirch > Mariages 1843-1890 Décès 1797-1824 > image 1488 of 1493. 1824 Death Record No. 36 (age 84). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12052-49618-42?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2ND:n1913802954 : accessed 11 Apr 2013).
[5] Luxembourg Church Records, Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 145 of 373. 1768 Baptismal Record (right page, 2nd entry from bottom).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-LHQQ?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 27 Dec 2016).
[6] Luxembourg CIvil Records, Ettelbruck > Naissances 1885-1890 Mariages 1796-1844 > image 217 of 1505. 1799 Marriage Record (right page, first part). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XL9-Y7?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-FM9%3A129625001%2C130529102 : accessed 28 December 2016).
[7] Ibid., Ettelbruck > Naissances 1885-1890 Mariages 1796-1844 > image 217 of 1505. 1799 Marriage Record (left page, second part).
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XL9-Y7?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-FM9%3A129625001%2C130529102 : accessed 28 December 2016).
[8] Ibid., Diekirch > Mariages 1843-1890 Décès 1797-1824 > image 1175 of 1493. 1812 Death Record No. 8 (age 50). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68G9-TL7?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-929%3A129628901%2C129848701 : 17 July 2014).
[9] Luxembourg Church Records, Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 169 of 373. 1772 Baptismal Record (right page, 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-LHFF?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 27 Dec 2016).
[10] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 191 of 373. 1775 Baptismal Record (left page, 2nd entry from bottom).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-LH89?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 27 December 2016).
[11] Ibid., Diekirch > Naissances 1879-1890 Mariages 1796-1842 > image 97 of 139. 1805 Marriage Record (right page, bottom, part 1). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-9ZV4?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-16G%3A1500890501%2C1500965134 : accessed 28 December 2016),.
[12] Ibid., Diekirch > Naissances 1879-1890 Mariages 1796-1842 > image 98 of 139. 1805 Marriage Record (left page, top, part 2).
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-98N3?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-16G%3A1500890501%2C1500965134 : accessed 28 December 2016).
[13] Luxembourg Civil Records, Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 382 of 1358. 1847 Death Record No. 51. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XY7-YRT?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-2NL%3A129628901%2C129628902 : accessed 29 December 2016).
[14] Luxembourg Church Records, Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789  > image 215 of 373. 1779 Baptismal Record (left page, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-LC1M?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 27 December 2016).
[15] Ibid., Diekirch > Sépultures 1743-1793 > image 65 of 140. 1781 Death Record (left page, 4th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-LHLM?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-6Y7%3A1500890501%2C1500929176 : accessed 27 December 2016).
[16] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 260 of 373. 1782 Baptismal Record (left page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-LZWM?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : 9 January 2015).
[17] Ibid., Diekirch > Sépultures 1743-1793 > image 89 of 140. 1786 Death Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-LH6P?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-6Y7%3A1500890501%2C1500929176 : accessed 21 Jan 2017).
[18] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 325 of 373. 1787 Baptism Record (left page, 1st entry). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32421-8957-8?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL:1500890501,1500918030 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[19] Luxembourg Civil Records, Diekirch > Naissances 1879-1890 Mariages 1796-1842 > image 832 of 1492. 1813 Marriage Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11618-99261-56?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2N2:1627336735 : accessed 04 Apr 2013).
[20] Luxembourg Church Records, Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 289 of 373. 1784 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32421-8480-21?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL:1500890501,1500918030 : accessed 8 July 2015).
[21] Luxembourg Civil Records, Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 509 of 1358. 1855 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-170383-71?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2NH:n538876208 : accessed 04 Apr 2013).
[22] Ibid., Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 694 of 1358. 1864 Death Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-162865-71?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-2NL:129628901,129628902 : accessed 4 April 2013).
[23] Luxembourg Church Records, Diekirch > Baptêmes 1647-1664, 1672-1743, mariages 1698-1741, sépultures 1698-1729 > image 145 of 240. 1732 Baptismal Record (left page, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-M72Y?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-B8B%3A1500890501%2C1500890502 : 9 January 2015).
[24] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1647-1664, 1672-1743, mariages 1698-1741, sépultures 1698-1729 > image 146 of 240. 1736 Baptismal Record (right page, 5th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WM-M72W?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-B8B%3A1500890501%2C1500890502 : 9 January 2015).
[25] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1647-1664, 1672-1743, mariages 1698-1741, sépultures 1698-1729 > image 147 of 240. 1739 Baptismal Record (right page, 6th entry from bottom). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-MQGH?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-B8B%3A1500890501%2C1500890502 : 9 January 2015).
[26] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 8 of 373. 1744 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WM-LCQ2?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 23 January 2017).
[27] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 19 of 373. 1746 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-LCJ3?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL%3A1500890501%2C1500918030 : accessed 23 January 2017).
[28] Ibid., Diekirch > Mariages 1743-1794 > image 21 of 122. 1759 Marriage Record (left page, 3rd entry).  (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WM-MQTL?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-B87%3A1500890501%2C1500891002 : 9 January 2015).
[29] Ibid., Diekirch > Mariages 1743-1794 > image 13 of 122. 1753 Marriage Record (left page, 3rd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-MQK6?cc=2037955&wc=STHC-B87%3A1500890501%2C1500891002 : 9 January 2015).
[30] Ibid., Diekirch > Sépultures 1743-1793 > image 57 of 140. 1780 Death Record (left page, 2nd entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-LHR5?cc=2037955&wc=STH6-6Y7%3A1500890501%2C1500929176 : 9 January 2015). Note: the maiden name seen is Holsen not Huntges.
[31] Ibid., Consdorf > Baptêmes 1719-1782, confirmations 1738-1792, mariages 1726-1782, sépultures 1726-1781 > image 197 of 279. 1765 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WM-9C8Q?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-44S%3A1500922601%2C1501087728 : 9 January 2015).
[32] Ibid., Feulen > Tables des mariages 1702-1794 Mergen-Z (index organisée par l’épouse) > image 118 of 329. 1772 Marriage Index Card. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9J62?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-J44%3A1500965489%2C1501257326 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[33] Ibid., Feulen > Tables des mariages 1702-1794 Mergen-Z (index organisée par l’épouse) > image 119 of 329. 1779 Marriage Index Card. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9JBC?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-J44%3A1500965489%2C1501257326 : accessed 27  January 2017).
[34] Ibid., Mersch > Baptêmes 1717-1772 > image 60 of 280. 1735 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9SFJ?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-T38%3A1500963301%2C1500963302 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[35] Ibid., Mersch > Baptêmes 1717-1772 > image 66 of 280. 1736 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-9SFQ?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-T38%3A1500963301%2C1500963302 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[36] Ibid., Mersch > Baptêmes 1717-1772 > image 74 of 280. 1739 Baptismal Record (right page, last entry).(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9SJ6?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-T38%3A1500963301%2C1500963302 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[37] Ibid., Mersch > Tables des mariages 1713-1797 A-Scharber (index organisée par l’époux) > image 7 of 1579. 1734 Marriage Index Card. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-S3MR?cc=2037955&wc=STH8-JWP%3A1500963301%2C1501135402 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[38] Ibid., Mersch > Mariages 1717-1749 > image 27 of 58. 1734 Marriage Record. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WS-9S22?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-TQ9%3A1500963301%2C1501079882 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[39] Ibid., Mersch > Baptêmes 1717-1772 > image 48 of 280. 1730 Baptismal Record (left page, 7th entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WS-9SJV?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-T38%3A1500963301%2C1500963302 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[40] Ibid., Mersch > Baptêmes 1717-1772 > image 53 of 280. 1732 Baptismal Record (left page, last entry). (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WS-9S26?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-T38%3A1500963301%2C1500963302 : accessed 27 January 2017).
[41] Ibid., Mersch > Tables des mariages 1713-1797 Scharber-Z (index organisée par l’époux) > image 276 of 542. 1724 Marriage Index Car. (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WS-SV4?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-T3D%3A1500963301%2C1501142620 : accessed 27 Jan 2017).

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17th Century Ancestors: Anna Sybilla and Hannes Bartel RUPP

If there is no pedigree collapse in the family tree we’ll have 512 sets of 8th great-grandparents. The last time I checked I had the names of 37 of these 1024 ancestors. But how many of these are well documented? Or is it possible to have them as well documented as the later generations? If we calculate three generations per century our 8th great-grandparents (generation 11) may have lived about 366 years ago or around 1650 – during the 17th century.

11GenChartMy 8th great-grandparents Anna Sybilla and Hannes Bartel RUPP are my earliest known RUPP ancestors. They are 2 of the 37 known ancestors in this generation. More importantly, their lives and their children’s have been documented from 1685 until their deaths using the Reformed Protestant church records of Steinseltz.

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Photocopy of Film Number: 775041. Notizen 1737, 1758 Taufen 1685-1787 Konfirmationen 1689-1792 Heiraten 1685-1787 Tote 1685-1786 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1789-1790, 1792. International Film of the Family History Library. Accessed by Theron A. Rupe in the 1990s.

They lived during the Grand Siècle dominated by Louis XIV who expanded the borders of France to include, among other regions, Alsace where the RUPP family made their home. It was a period in history of increased colonization of the Americas by Europeans. It would however take another two generations before a descendant would pull up roots, travel to Philadelphia, and begin a new life in the new world.

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Reformed Church of Steinseltz in December 2001

Hannes Bartel RUPP was born about 1650. This estimate was made from his age at death recorded in the church record for his death and burial.[1] The names of his parents are unknown. In his children’s records his name was seen as Hans Barthol, Hannes Bartel and Joh. Barthol (Joh. being the abbreviation of Johann or Johannes). Naming the father when a young single person was confirmed, became a godparent, or married was characteristic of the church records. Early records for Hannes Bartel, for the time prior to his 36th year, were not found as the church records for Steinseltz, including Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, did not cover the period before 1685.

He married Anna Sybilla about 1670. The names of her parents as well as her maiden name are not known. Anna Sybilla was born about 1648 – her age at death was recorded in a short sentence about her death and burial in the church records.[2] On 26 December 1687, when she was already a mother and married to Hannes Bartel, she became the godmother of Anna Margaretha, daughter of Hans Barthel KUNTZ and his wife Anna Juditha of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg.[3] This child would later marry her youngest son and become her daughter-in-law.

Hannes Bartel and Anna Sybilla had the following children.

  1. Johann Jörg “Hans Georg” RUPP was born about 1670 – his age at death was 51 years in 1721.[4] Records were found documenting his being a godfather of at least two children.[5], [6] Johann married Anna Maria OSTERTAG, daughter of Hans Peter OSTERTAG and his wife Anna Judith, on 3 November 1693 in Steinseltz.[7] Anna was born on 23 July 1674.[8]  Hans Georg, as he was also known, died on 24 December 1721 in Steinseltz and was buried there two days later on 26 December 1721.[4] His widow Anna Maria died on 30 May 1749 in Steinseltz and was buried there the following day.[9] Anna Maria was the godmother of at least five children.[10], [11], [12], [13], [14]
  2. Hans Martin RUPP[15] was born before 1680 – assuming he was at least 21 years of age at the time of his marriage in 1700. He was the godfather of at three children.[16], [17], [18] Hans Martin married Anna Apollonia WENNER, daughter of Hans WENNER, on 16 January 1700 in Steinseltz.[15] He died before 28 April 1707 when his widow Anna Apollonia married Johann Nicolaus NAEGER.
  3. Anna Eva RUPP was born before 1680 as she became a godmother in 1693 – she would have had to be confirmed, likely at the age of 14-17 years, to become a godmother. Anna Eva and her future husband became a godparents for the same child on 9 October 1695.[19] Anna Eva married Wendel RUMMEL of Cleeburg on 16 January 1700 in Steinseltz.[20] After their marriage they lived in Cleeburg. The church records for Cleeburg for the years 1685-1755 were lost making nearly impossible to research the line. On 13 May 1725 Anna Eva of Cleeburg was mentioned in the church records of Steinseltz when she became the godmother of her brother Johann Jacob’s daughter.[21] 
  4. Catharina RUPP was born before 1686 (birth was not found in the Steinseltz church records which begin in 1685). She became a godmother on 21 December 1703 in Steinseltz.[22] No further record was found for her in Steinseltz.
  5. Maria Margaretha RUPP was born before 1686 (birth was not found in the Steinseltz church records which begin in 1685). She became a godmother for Maria Dorothea, daughter of Johann Jacob RUPP Senior and his wife Anna Catharina of Steinseltz, on 24 August 1720 in Steinseltz.[23] No further record was found for her in Steinseltz.
  6. Johann Daniel RUPP was born about 1680. He became a godfather in 1700 in Steinseltz.[10] He married Anna Catharina FETZER, daughter of Hans Paulus FETZER and and his wife Apollonia, on 10 February 1711 in Steinseltz.[24] He became a godfather in 1719 in Steinseltz.[25] Johann Daniel died at the age of 52 years on 26 January 1732 in Steinseltz and was buried there two days later.[26]
  7. Johann Michael RUPP was born on 3 November 1686 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and baptized in Steinseltz.[27] He married Anna Barbara WOLTER on 14 January 1710 in Steinseltz.[28] Johann Michael died on 22 November 1711 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried on 24 November 1711 in Steinseltz.[29]
  8. Johann Jacob RUPP Jun. was born on 27 April 1689 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and baptized on 1 May 1689 in Steinseltz.[30] He married Maria Apollonia FETZER (1689-1743), daughter of Hans Paulus FETZER and his wife Apollonia, on 21 February 1713 in Steinseltz.[31] Johann Jacob died on 30 October 1732 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried on 1 November 1732 in Steinseltz.[32] This couple, my 7th great-grandparents, were featured in The RUPP-FETZER Family of Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg.
  9. Johann Phillip RUPP was born on 26 August 1691 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and baptized on 29 August 1691 in Steinseltz.[33] He was confirmed in 1709[34] and became a godfather in 1714[35] and in 1723[36] Johann Phillip married Anna Margaretha KUNTZ, daughter of Hans Barthol KUNTZ and and his wife Anna Juditha, on 13 February 1714 in Steinseltz.[37] Anna was born on 21 December 1687 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and baptized on 26 December 1687 in Steinseltz.[3] As noted earlier, her godmother became her mother-in-law. She died on 30 June 1741 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried on 2 July 1741 in Steinseltz.[38] Johann Phillip died on 21 April 1751 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried on 22 April 1751 in Steinseltz.[39]
  10. Anna Margaretha RUPP was born about 23 July 1696 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and baptized on 23 July 1696 in Steinseltz.[40] Anna Margaretha was confirmed Easter of 1711 in Steinseltz.[41] She became a godmother in 1712[42] and in 1715[43]. She became a godmother for Maria Dorothea, daughter of Johann Jacob RUPP Senior and his wife Catharina, on 19 March 1723 in Steinseltz.[44] Anna Margaretha married Johann Jacob WENNER, son of Simon WENNER and Maria Dorothea BEYERFALCK, on 13 April 1723 in Steinseltz.[45] Johann Jacob was born on 4 March 1697 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and baptized on 6 March 1697 in Steinseltz.[46] Anna Margaretha died on 2 September 1732 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried on 3 September 1732 in Steinseltz.[47] Her widower Johann Jacob WENNER died on 8 November 1732 in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried on 10 November 1732 in Steinseltz.[48]

Hannes Bartel RUPP died on 12 February 1707 at the age of 57 years in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg, and was buried the next day in Steinseltz.[1] His widow Anna Sybilla died a little over four years later on 11 December 1711 at the age of 63 years in Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and was buried the following day in Steinseltz.[2]

The ages at death for Hannes Bartel and Anna Sybilla suggest she may have been two years older. This may be proven or refuted at a later date. The next step in researching this line would be to check the surrounding towns for Reformed Protestant church records or perhaps other denominations prior to 1685.

This concludes my series of posts for the RUPP line written since the beginning of the year. A complete list of posts can be found in The ROOP Book. I hope you have enjoyed meeting the ROOP, RUPE, RUPP families. Are they also your families? Please leave a comment below letting me know how you are related.

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Sources:
[1] Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin (67), browsable images of parish and civil records. Any utilization other than for private use, even non-commerical, is subject to a signed license agreement., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 223 of 268, right page, last entry. 1707 Death Record (age 57). (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769182 : accessed 28 May 2013).
[2] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 224 of 268, right page, last entry. 1711 Death Record (age 63). (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769183 : accessed 28 May 2013).
[3] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 13 of 268, right page, first entry. 1687 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768971 : accessed 20 May 2016).
[4] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 226 of 268, left page. 1721 Death Record, left page, last entry for 1721. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769186 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[5] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 29 of 268. 1704 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768987 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[6] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 30 of 268. 1708 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768988 : accessed 2 May 2016).
[7] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 187 of 268. 1693 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769146 : accessed 28 May 2013).
[8] Kern Family Genealogy, online http://www.kerngenealogy.com/getperson.php?personID=I2189&tree=tree1; accessed 15 June 2013.
[9] Archives départementales du Bas-Rhin (67), Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 243 of 268, left page. 1749 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769203 : accessed 28 May 2013).
[10] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 25 of 268. 1700 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768983 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[11] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 32 of 268. 1711 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768990 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[12] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 33 of 268. 1713 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768991 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[13] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 34 of 268. 1717 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768992 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[14] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 35 of 268. 1721 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768993 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[15] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 188 of 368, right page . 1700 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769147 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[16] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 21 of 268. 1696 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768979 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[17] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 22 of 268. 1697 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768980 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[18] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 24 of 268. 1698 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768982 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[19] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 20 of 268. 1695 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768978 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[20] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 188 of 268, right page. 1700 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769147 : accessed 2 June 2013).
[21] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 38 of 268. 1725 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768996 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[22] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 28 of 268, right page. 1703 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768986 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[23] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 35 of 268. 1720 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768993 : accessed 2 June 2013).
[24] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 190 of 268. 1711 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769149 : accessed 8 June 2013).
[25] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 34 of 268. 1719 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768983 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[26] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 230 of 268, left page. 1732 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769190 : accessed 8 June 2013).
[27] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 11 of 268 . 1686 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-3796171 : accessed 2 June 2013).
[28] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 190 of 268, page 367 . 1710 Marrage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769149 : accessed 7 June 2013).
[29] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 224 of 268 , right page. 1711 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769183 : accessed 2 June 2013).
[30] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 15 of 268, left page, 2nd entry. 1689 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768973 : accessed 1 June 2013).
[31] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 191 of 268, left page, last entry. 1713 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769150 : accessed 26 May 2013).
[32] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 231 of 268, right page, 5th entry. 1732 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769191 : accessed 2 June 2013).
[33] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 17 of 268, page. 1691 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768975 : accessed 1 June 2013).
[34] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 163 of 268. 1709 Confirmation Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769121 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[35] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 33 of 268. 1714 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768991 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[36] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 37 of 268. 1723 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768995 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[37] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 191 of 268 . 1714 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769150 : accessed 8 June 2013).
[38] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 238 of 268, left page . 1741 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769198 : accessed 28 May 2013).
[39] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 245 of 268, left page . 1751 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769205 : accessed 28 May 2013).
[40] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 223 of 268. 1696 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769182 : accessed 1 June 2013).
[41] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 163 of 268. 1711 Confirmation. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769121 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[42]  Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 32 of 268. 1712 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768990 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[43] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 33 of 268. 1712 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768991 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[44] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 36 of 268. 1723 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768994 : accessed 22 May 2016).
[45] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 193 of 268, page 372 . 1723 Marriage Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769152 : accessed 14 June 2013).
[46] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 22 of 268, left page, 1st entry. 1697 Baptismal Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1768980 : accessed 14 June 2013).
[47] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 231 of 268, right page. 1732 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769191 : accessed 14 June 2013).
[48] Ibid., Steinseltz, Paroisse protestante (réformée), BMS, 1685-1787, 3 E 4791/1, image 231 of 268, right page. 1732 Death Record. (http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C475-P84-R91519-1769191 : accessed 14 June 2013).

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Hannes Bartel or Hans Barthol RUPP
Parents: unknown
Spouse: Anna Sybilla (maiden name unknown)
Parents of spouse: unknown
Whereabouts: Oberhoffen-lès-Wissembourg and Steinseltz in Alsace, France
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: 8th great-grandfather

  1. Hannes Bartel RUPP
  2. Johann Jacob RUPP Junior
  3. Johann Jacob RUPP
  4. Henrich “Henry” RUPE Sr.
  5. James ROOP
  6. Gordon H. ROOP
  7. Gordon Washington ROOP
  8. Walter Farmer ROOP
  9. Myrtle Hazel ROOP
  10. Fred Roosevelt DEMPSEY
  11. Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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52 Ancestors: #28 Tour de Genealogie and the FABER-SCHENTEN Family

Week 28 (July 9-15) – Road Trip: Any epic “road trips” in your family tree? Which ancestor do you want to take a road trip to go research?

Tour de Genealogie

Very often while riding our racing bikes through Luxembourg we’ve rolled through towns our ancestors lived in. This week we participated in the 6 Days Lull Gillen biking event. It was the 20th edition of the event organized by our cycling club LGB or “Le Guidon” of Bertrange (Bartreng in Luxembourgish, Bartringen in German), a town where many of my husband’s ancestors lived. The route scheduled for Thursday had us stopping at a control point in Septfontaines, also known as Simmer in Luxembourgish. Since this town fits into the history of this week’s family I had my husband take a photo of the town sign and the LGB control point sign.

septfontainesOn a side note: My matrilineal line springs (pun intended) from Septfontaines.

The FABER-SCHENTEN Family

Maria Catharina SCHENTEN was born and baptized Maria Catharina on 21 October 1784 in Gilsdorf. She was the daughter of Michel SCHENTEN and Catharina OVERECKEN. Her godparents were Antonius SCHROEDER and Maria Catharina SCHLOESSER, both of Gilsdorf.[1] Maria Catharina’s father Michel was born and baptized in 1733 in the town we rode through last Thursday, Septfontaines.

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1784 Baptismal Record [1]
Jean FABER was born and baptized Joannes on 4 July 1787 in Diekirch. He was the son of Jacques FABER and Elisabeth WOLTER. His godparents were Joannes FOOS and Catharina WOLTER, both of Diekirch.[2]

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1787 Baptismal Record [2]
On 26 January 1813 in Diekirch at 10 o’clock in the morning Jean FABER and Marie Catherine (as she was seen in the marriage record written in French) SCHENTEN were married by Jean SCHOLTES, a civil servant. The groom’s father was deceased and his mother was present at the marriage.  The bride’s father was also deceased and her mother was present. The marriage had been “published” on the 10th and the 17th of January. The four witnesses to the marriage were not related (ni parents ni alliés) to the bridal couple. All three ladies present could not read or write: the bride, the bride’s mother and the groom’s mother.[3]

When Jean and Marie Catherine married the bride was about six months pregnant. Three months after their marriage, on 25 April 1813 at 10 o’clock in the evening, a son named Jean was born to the couple in Diekirch. When the father made his appearance at the city hall at 10 o’clock the next morning he gave the name of the mother as Marguerite SCHENTEN.[4]

Marie Catherine, Marguerite/Margaretha, or Catherine/Catharina SCHENTEN

Depending on the time period, records in Luxembourg may be in French or German and first names can vary. However Marie Catherine is not the French version of Margaretha! My first thought was, this was a different couple. A closer examination of the signature of the father on the birth record and of the groom on the marriage record shows they were the same man.

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Signatures

The “mistake” would be made for the next three children: Anne Marie, Michel, and Andreas. Only their 5th child Anton would have the mother listed as Catherine. When the marriage records of three of the sons of this couple were drawn up the civil servants used the names of the parents as seen on the children’s birth records. Jean and Andreas had Margaretha and Anton had Catherine as the mother’s name. When son Andreas married, his brother Anton was a witness and named as a brother. When son Anton married, his brother Jean was a witness and named as a brother. When son Jean married his brothers Andreas and Anton were too young to be witnesses. In the six census records from 1843 through 1852 for this family the mother was always seen as Catherine. When she died in 1855 her name was listed as Catharina on her death record.

The entire genealogy of the town of Diekirch has been researched and published by Rob Deltgen for the years 1796 to 1923 in his book Komplettes Familienbuch der Gemeinde 1796-1923. I am confident all persons have been accounted for in the town for the time period the FABER-SCHENTEN family lived there and Jean’s wife was Maria Catharina also known as Margaretha.

For some reason Maria Catharina used the name Margaretha when she was a young bride. Was it also the name she was known by when she was still living at home with her mother who was also a Catherine?

The children of Jean and Catharina aka Margaretha

As mentioned earlier the first born child was Jean, my husband’s 2nd great-grandfather. These are the five known children (all events took place in Diekirch):

  • Jean, born 25 April 1813[4], married Maria LORENTZ on 8 July 1841[5], and died 26 April 1873[6]
  • Anne Marie, born 31 December 1815[7] No marriage or death record has been found for this child. Did she go to work as a servant in another town or even country?
  • Michel, born 21 April 1819[8] and died 20 February 1828[9]
  • Andreas, born 8 November 1822[10], married Marie KNEIP on 13 December 1848[11], and died 20 March 1891[12]
  • Anton, born 27 November 1825[13], married Margaretha KNEIP on 28 September 1853[14], and died 2 April 1866[15]

The confusion caused by the mother’s name continued in the next generation. As seen above sons Andreas and Anton married KNEIP sisters. As the records are so detailed this normally would not cause a problem. However in the case of Andreas’ wife Marie she was seen in the birth records of her 10 children as Marie (4), Margaretha (5) and Magdalena (1). I had to do a lot of cross referencing with marriage records of the children to be sure there wasn’t an error in the name of the father!

The Family in the Census

The Luxembourg census images at FamilySearch begin in 1843. They also help to show there was only one FABER-SCHENTEN family. By 1843 Jean and Catharina’s oldest son, young Jean, was married and only Andreas and Anton were living at home in 1843[16], 1846[17], and 1847[18]. By 1849 Andreas had married and Anton was alone with his parents in 1849[19], 1851[20], and 1852[21].

Catharina SCHENTEN died on 27 March 1855[22]. Her widowed husband Jean FABER was in the household of his son Andreas in 1855[23]. In 1858 neither Jean nor Andreas and his family have been located. The 1858 census did not have a control list and it is possible I missed them while viewing the 635 images. In 1861[24] Jean was with his son Andreas and his family.

Jean FABER died on 10 February 1864[25]. His son Andreas was the informant. Jean was survived by his three sons and fourteen grandchildren. As nothing is known of his daughter Anne Marie FABER I left her out of this count. She may have married and had children we do not know of, or she may have died young like her brother Michel.

Although most birth, marriage and death records for this family have been found, there are still questions which need to be answered. Genealogy is never done.

Sources:
[1] Luxembourg, registres paroissiaux, 1601-1948 (images), <i>FamilySearch</i> (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 289 of 373. 1784 Baptismal Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-32421-8480-21?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL:1500890501,1500918030 : accessed 8 July 2015).
[2] Ibid., Diekirch > Baptêmes 1743-1790, confirmations 1768-1789 > image 325 of 373. 1787 Baptism Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32421-8957-8?cc=2037955&wc=STHZ-ZNL:1500890501,1500918030 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[3] Luxembourg, Registres d’état civil, 1793-1923 (images), <i>FamilySearch</i> (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Diekirch > Naissances 1879-1890 Mariages 1796-1842 > image 832 of 1492. 1813 Marriage Record No. 6. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11618-99261-56?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2N2:1627336735 : accessed 04 Apr 2013).
[4] Ibid., Diekirch > Tables décennales 1803-1892 Naissances, mariages, décès 1797-1800 Naissances 1800-1823 > image 1141 of 1493. 1813 Birth Record No. 35. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11030-125930-69?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2N5:n983817566 : accessed 02 Apr 2013).
[5] Ibid., Diekirch > Naissances 1879-1890 Mariages 1796-1842 > image 1461 of 1492. 1841 Marriage Record No. 13. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11618-102229-19?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2N2:1627336735 : accessed 02 Apr 2013).
[6] Ibid., Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 970 of 1358. 1873 Death Record No. 27. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-165974-79?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2NH:n538876208 : accessed 01 Apr 2013).
[7] Ibid, Diekirch > Tables décennales 1803-1892 Naissances, mariages, décès 1797-1800 Naissances 1800-1823 > image 1227 of 1493. 1815 Birth Record No. 116. ((https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11030-124835-69?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-W38:129628901,130575701 : accessed 18 March 2010).
[8] Ibid., Diekirch > Tables décennales 1803-1892 Naissances, mariages, décès 1797-1800 Naissances 1800-1823 > image 1343 of 1493. 1819 Birth Record No. (not numbered). (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11030-124164-95?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-W38:129628901,130575701 : accessed 18 March 2010).
[9] Ibid., Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 50 of 1358. 1828 Death Record No. 8. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-169843-75?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-2NL:129628901,129628902 : accessed 17 August 2011).
[10] Ibid., Diekirch > Tables décennales 1803-1892 Naissances, mariages, décès 1797-1800 Naissances 1800-1823 > image 1464 of 1493. 1822 Birth Record. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11030-123681-65?cc=1709358&wc=9RYM-W38:129628901,130575701 : accessed 18 March 2010).
[11] Ibid., Diekirch > Mariages 1843-1890 Décès 1797-1824 > image 122 of 1493. 1848 Marriage Record No. 16. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12052-50270-3?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-929:129628901,129848701 : accessed 10 July 2015).
[12] Ibid., Diekirch > Naissances, mariages, décès 1891-1894 > image 232 of 332. 1891 Death Record No. 19. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11693-105328-65?cc=1709358&wc=9RYH-3TY:129628901,129717601 : accessed 8 July 2015).
[13] Ibid., Diekirch > Naissances 1823 > image 67 of 1507. 1825 Birth Record No. 63. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11681-34820-6?cc=1709358&wc=9RY4-BZ9:129628901,130131601 : accessed 18 March 2010).
[14] Ibid., Diekirch > Mariages 1843-1890 Décès 1797-1824 > image 254 of 1493. 1853 Marriage Record No. 24. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12052-50405-0?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-929:129628901,129848701 : accessed 11 July 2015).
[15] Ibid., Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 750 of 1358. 1866 Death Record No. 48. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-163826-82?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-2NL:129628901,129628902 : accessed 8 July 2015).
[16] Luxembourg, Volkszählungen 1843-1900 (images), <i>FamilySearch</i> (original records at Luxembourg National Archives, Plateau du Saint-Esprit, Luxembourg), Diekirch > 1843 > image 190 of 444. Faber-Schenten household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32349-23064-71?cc=2037957&wc=M5LR-MJ4:345999901,345863501 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[17] Ibid., Diekirch > 1846 > image 55 of 347. Faber-Schenten household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32358-16200-25?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-82R:345999901,345858602 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[18] Ibid., Diekirch > 1847 > image 449 of 506. Faber-Schenten household No. 428. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32357-24586-35?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-7MB:345999901,345864101 : accessed 8 July 2015).
[19] Ibid., Diekirch > 1849 > image 380 of 504. Faber-Schenten household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32357-25894-28?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-44Q:345999901,345864801 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[20] Ibid., Diekirch > 1851 > image 391 of 601. Faber-Schenten household No. 435. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32368-2762-72?cc=2037957&wc=M5LT-6Y3:345999901,345865601 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[21] Ibid., Diekirch > 1852 > image 494 of 551. Faber-Schenten household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32371-9456-59?cc=2037957&wc=M5LY-Y4T:345999901,345865501 : accessed 8 July 2015).
[22] Luxembourg Civil Records, Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 509 of 1358. 1855 Death Record No. 17. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-170383-71?cc=1709358&wc=M9M6-2NH:n538876208 : accessed 04 Apr 2013).
[23] Luxembourg Census, Diekirch > 1855 > image 259 of 534. Faber-Kneip household. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-32378-30026-39?cc=2037957&wc=M5GM-K6Y:345999901,345866501 : accessed 24 March 2015).
[24] Ibid., Diekirch > 1861 > image 556 of 646. Faber-Kneip household No. 92. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32381-10574-79?cc=2037957&wc=M5LY-16P:345999901,345867101 : accessed 7 July 2015).
[25] Luxembourg Civil Records, Diekirch > Décès 1825-1890 > image 694 of 1358. 1864 Death Record No. 10. (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12147-162865-71?cc=1709358&wc=9RYC-2NL:129628901,129628902 : accessed 4 April 2013).

Genealogy Sketch

Name: Jean “Johann” FABER
Parents: Jacques FABER and Elisabeth WOLTER
Spouse: Maria Catharina “Margaretha” SCHENTEN
Parents of Spouse: Michel SCHENTEN and Catherine OVERECKEN
Whereabouts: Diekirch, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
Relationship to Cathy Meder-Dempsey: husband’s 3rd great-grandfather

1. Jean “Johann” FABER
2. Johann “Jean” FABER
3. Elisabetha “Elisabeth” “Elise” FABER
4. Johann Peter “Jean-Pierre” MEDER
5. Marcel Mathias MEDER
6. husband of Cathy Meder-Dempsey

© 2015 Cathy Meder-Dempsey

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