The Ancestors: Isaac WISEMAN (1738-1818) and Elizabeth DAVIS (1738-1807)

This was a hard piece to write. A month ago, after spending weeks gathering and reviewing all the information I had on these ancestors, I began writing this post. While drafting the post I kept finding other things to do. I went back and forth considering how I should write it. I’m now at the point that I just want to get it out of the way by publishing it as is.

Isaac WISEMAN (1738-1818) and Elizabeth DAVIS (1738-1807) were my 5th great-grandparents and the parents of my 4th great-grandmother Rachel WISEMAN (1769-bet. 1821-1824) who married Frederick HONAKER (1757-1824).

When I was new to genealogy research, I trusted the information I found and did not challenge it. As I began to do my own research, I questioned work done by others. In some cases, I made an effort to prove or disprove their research. I’m especially fond of working on my female lines but the WISEMAN family has always been put on the back burner.

For the WISEMAN line, I  attempted to locate evidence of the parents, siblings, husband, and children of my 4th great-grandmother Rachel WISEMAN and wrote about my findings in my 2014 post 52 Ancestors: #33 Rachel WISEMAN 1769-bet. 1821-1824.

The post was written during my first year of blogging. I didn’t include source citations. Links to online documents were used throughout the post but I doubt many readers clicked on them to view the records.  When I revisited my post and research I added 28 citations to make it easier for the reader or researcher to review the sources. [Did I mention the other things I’ve been doing?] 

Rachel’s story includes the names of all of her siblings as well as their spouses’ names and their dates of marriage. I’ve pondered how to write about Rachel’s parents Isaac and Elizabeth. Should I start from scratch or should I build on what has already been published?

Taking the middle road

I’ve decided to take the middle road which led me to work done by dedicated historians and genealogists of the WISEMAN family.

The Wiseman Family Association was first organized in 1908 by Dr. B. W. S. WISEMAN, compiler and author of a WISEMAN genealogy.1 Benjamin Winfield Scott WISEMAN was a great-grandson of Isaac WISEMAN 1738 through his son Samuel (1771-1861). WISEMAN descendants and members of the association have continued to update the WISEMAN family tree originally created from information in B.W.S.’s book. Their website was initiated on 22 August 2003 and appears to have been last updated in 2017, likely before Ancestry took down the RootsWeb site. I don’t know if more recent additions to the family tree are available online.

B.W.S. WISEMAN, in his 1908 publication, acknowledged the work of his second cousin C.M.L. WISEMAN who published in 1902. B.W.S. gives a more detailed genealogy of most of the sons of Isaac WISEMAN 1738. Neither of the authors had any biographical information on the four daughters of Isaac other than their married names.

Charles Milton Lewis WISEMAN of the 1902 publication was a great-grandson of Isaac WISEMAN 1738 through his son Rev. John WISEMAN (1760-1842). He wrote the following:

Brief Sketch of the Wiseman Family

My grandfather, Rev. John Wiseman was born in Berks county, Pennsylvania, before the War of the Revolution; indeed, was old enough and served in that war, and was in the memorable winter quarters at Valley Forge with Washington. His father, Isaac Wiseman, moved from Berks county, Pennsylvania, with a large family of sons and daughters to Rockingham county, Virginia, soon after the war, and there my grandfather married Sarah Green, one of another large family. From that county they moved to Monroe county, Virginia, where my father, Philip S. Wiseman, was born. Of the descendants of Isaac Wiseman and James Green some few remained in Virginia, others moved to Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas and Louisiana. The greater number moved to Ohio and Kentucky. The descendants of Isaac Wiseman alone must exceed 1,000 persons in number. The names of father’s uncles were William, Joseph, Isaac, Abner, Jacob and Samuel. Samuel died near New Salem at 90 years of age; Jacob and Abner in Kentucky, William and Joseph in Virginia, and Isaac near Gallipolis, Ohio. One of his aunts married a Blanton, who moved to Kentucky, and one a Honiker, who died in Virginia. I have been in the graveyard in Virginia, near Union, Monroe county, where Isaac Wiseman and wife are buried, and where father’s sister and brother are buried, and I have also been in the church near by, where they all attended Methodist church, and where my grandfather often preached. It is a lovely spot, with a hight range of mountains in full view for more than twenty miles.2

A bit further into the sketch of his family, C.M.L. wrote:

Rev. John Wiseman was commissioned a minister of the Methodist Episcopal Church in the year 1785, by the first American Bishop of that church, Francis Asbury. The commission, in the Bishop’s own writing, is in the possession of the late Judge Wiseman’s widow at New Salem.3

I used the document he mentioned as the background of the featured image of this post. Immediately following this statement, the author listed names and dates for his line down from Isaac beginning with this list of the children of Isaac WISEMAN 1738:


Joseph Wiseman, born March 29th 1759.
John Wiseman, born August 18th, 1760.
Sarah Wiseman, born July 17th, 1762.
Isaac Wiseman, born June 19th, 1764.
Jacob Wiseman, born January 12th, 1767.
Rachael Wiseman, born March 1st, 1769.
Samuel Wiseman, born February 15th, 1771.
Abner Wiseman, born 1772.
Betsey Wiseman, born 1774.
Peggy Wiseman, born 1777.
William Wiseman, born 1779.

Rachael is my 4th great-grandmother and all the rest are my 4th great-grand uncles and 4th great-grand aunts. Does a WISEMAN family Bible still exist today with the dates found in this derivative source?

The many men named Isaac WISEMAN

According to Robert N. WISEMAN, a historian of the Wiseman Family Association, the Isaac WISEMAN situation gets a bit confusing when it comes to how Isaac WISEMAN’s name is seen in family genealogies. Shortly after B.W.S. published his book in 1908 he discovered that Isaac WISEMAN (1738-1818) who he considered “Isaac I” had a father whose name was also Isaac. [I believe I’ve found how he made the discovery and will discuss this in a moment.] The Wiseman Family Association decided to dub the father “Isaac Sr.”4 One of Robert’s lines goes through Isaac Sr., Isaac I, Isaac II, Isaac III.

Personally, I believe it would be more helpful to consider the men by the year they were born as no records are to be found with the suffixes I, II, or III. I’ve opted to refer to my 5th great-grandfather as Isaac WISEMAN 1738 instead of Isaac I. His father will be considered Isaac the elder or Isaac Sr. as no year of birth is known.

As noted previously, historians of the Wiseman Family Association have been researching the family and sharing their information. The research notes and part of The Story of a Wiseman by Robert Dean WISEMAN (1933-2015) can be found here: Bob Wiseman Research. He included different steps taken to gather information and prove events as well as marking unproven or questionable information as such. Mr. Wiseman and the researchers he worked with spent years putting the information together. It would take a lifetime to check and follow-up on the research.

Many entries on tax lists for Berks County for Isaac Wiseman are listed by year and township in Bob’s research. I recently found the Tax Lists, 1752-1856 for Berks County, Pennsylvania are available online at FamilySearch. They are not indexed and browse-only. With the years and townships given in Robert D. Wiseman’s research notes, I may be able to locate some of these. A to-do item for a later date as it should be thorough and not restricted to locating the records already found. What if something important to the timeline has been missed?

Isaac WISEMAN (1738-1818) and Elizabeth DAVIS (1738-1807)

Isaac’s oldest son Joseph (1759-1836) applied for a pension in 1832 for his service during the Revolutionary War.5 He stated he “was born in the year 1759 in the County of Berks and State of Pennsylvania, as he has read the record of it in his Father’s bible, from which he recorded it in his own bible which is now in his possession.” After his death in 1836 and his widow’s death in 1842, his son Samuel applied for pension money on behalf of himself and his surviving siblings in 1847. He submitted his father’s family record with the dates of birth and date for my 5th great-grandparents Elizabeth DAVIS and Isaac WISEMAN.

In Joseph’s hand, as copied from his father Isaac’s Bible, “Elisabeth Wiseman daughter to Samuel Davis was born August 26th 1738 and Decst (deceased) July 19th 1807.

Pages of Joseph Wiseman’s family Bible found in his Revolutionary War Pension Application file.

Also, “Isaac Wiseman son to Isaac and Marey Wiseman was born August 18, 1738 and Decest (deceased) May the 3 in 1818.

Pages of Joseph Wiseman’s family Bible found in his Revolutionary War Pension Application file.

The above images are only two of the five images from the family Bible included in the file. The pension file also includes correspondence dated 1911 from B.W.S. WISEMAN requesting copies of the entire file. As Joseph’s family record gives the names of the parents of Elizabeth and Isaac, I believe this is the source that led to B.W.S.’s discovery that Isaac WISEMAN 1738’s father was also an Isaac.

Samuel DAVIS, father-in-law of Isaac 1738

Only the name of Elizabeth’s father is known from the family record submitted by his grandson Samuel (son of Joseph). Even with the maiden name, a marriage record of Isaac WISEMAN and Elizabeth DAVIS has not been found. It is assumed they married before the birth of their oldest child in 1759.

Isaac and Mary WISEMAN, parents of Isaac 1738

The maiden name of Isaac 1738’s mother Mary is unproven although some genealogists report it to be MARSHALL. While writing this, I have pruned the tree, removing John MARSHALL as the father of Mary and now showing her name as Mary _____.

Isaac 1738’s father Isaac, according to an old family traditional story, was born aboard a ship en route to America. Two dates are often noted: 1699 and about 1706. The first – 1699 – is from the theory that the father of Isaac the elder came over with William Penn on the Canterbury Merchant in 1699. No known passenger list exists for the ship. The second – about 1706 – is from the theory that Isaac the elder was the son of Thomas WISEMAN first seen in Germantown, Philadelphia County in 1706 when he purchased land from Matthias Van Bebber. Professional genealogists were hired by the Wiseman Family Association to obtain records but neither theory has been proven.

Isaac WISEMAN, the father of Isaac 1738, left Berks County around 1768 and was first seen on a tax list in Rowan County, North Carolina, in 1772.6 He bought land in Rowan County in 1778 and left it to his heirs in his will in 1779.7,8 His widow Mary left a will written 28 December 1790 and proven 10 November 17919,10 as well as an inventory dated February 1792.11 Although Isaac and Mary named some of their children in their wills, they did not mention Isaac.

The daughters of Isaac WISEMAN 1738 and Elizabeth DAVIS

Isaac and Elizabeth were the parents of eleven children born between 1759 and 1779. Much is known of their seven sons’ lines as they were looked into by the great-grandsons. Neither of the authors of the early genealogies of the WISEMAN family knew much of the four daughters.

From the brief sketch of the WISEMAN family it is knows that the family was in Berks County, Pennsylvania, and then moved to Rockbridge County, Virginia. Sarah, the oldest, married in Rockbridge County, Virginia, in 1782 where she and her husband James BARLEY raised their children.12

The next oldest daughter, Rachel also married in Rockbridge County. She married Frederick HONAKER in 1795.13 It was a second marriage for Frederick and Rachel brought a 10-year-old daughter into the marriage. Rachel and Frederick went with her parents and siblings to Greenbrier County around 1797-1798. They settled in the area that would become Monroe County in 1799. Rachel and Frederick raised their family in Monroe and are buried in the Rehoboth Church Cemetery where her parents are also said to be buried.

Elizabeth married John BLANTON in 1798 in Greenbrier County.14 They went to Kentucky where her brothers Abner and Jacob had also gone.

The youngest daughter Margaret, also known as Peggy, married Bartholomew RAMSEY in 1799 in Monroe County.15,16 They raised their family in Nicholas County and Fayette County when it was formed in 1831.

Now that I know where the information found in so many family trees is coming from, I have a better feel of what I can work on to leave a documented history of my 5th great-grandparents Isaac WISEMAN 1738 and Elizabeth DAVIS.

It would be awesome if someone reading this post would reach out to me with more information, especially on Elizabeth DAVIS during Women’s History Month.

© 2020, copyright Cathy Meder-Dempsey. All rights reserved.

  1. Dr. Benjamin Winfield Scott Wiseman, Wiseman genealogy and biography, digital images of original, FamilySearch ( : accessed 12 February 2020), FL52150_TN-1474326, digitized by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 2008 [originally published: Culver, Indiana, 1910] 
  2. C. M. L. Wiseman, The Wiseman Family and the Old Church at New Salem : a brief sketch, FamilySearch ( : accessed 12 February 2020), FL1103481_TN-76231, digitized by FamilySearch International, 2013, [originally published: Columbus, Ohio : Fred J. Heer, 1902], p. 7-8. 
  3. Ibid., p. 23-24. 
  4. Robert N. Wiseman, Senior Historian of the Wiseman Family Association, comment posted 3 February 2020 in the Nicholas County WV Genealogy group on Facebook and personal message conversation between Robert and Cathy on 24-25 February 2020. 
  5. “Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant Application Files, 1800-1900,” database and images,, citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm publication M804, 2,670 rolls. Records of the Department of Veterans Affairs, Record Group 15; National Archives, Washington, D.C. Images of the papers in the Revolutionary War file of Joseph Wiseman including images of family bible pages with the names and dates of birth and death of his parents. 
  6. Bob Wiseman Research
  7. “North Carolina, Wills and Probate Records, 1665-1998,” index and images, Ancestry, North Carolina County, District and Probate Courts, Wills and estate papers (Rowan County), 1663-1978, North Carolina, Rowan County, Original wills, Verble, Daniel – Zimmerman, Christian, file of Isaac Wiseman. ( : accessed 25 June 2019). 
  8. Ibid., North Carolina, Rowan County, Wills, Vol A-F, 1757-1807, Isaac Wiseman, page 184. ( : accessed 25 June 2019). 
  9. “North Carolina, Wills and Probate Records, 1665-1998,” North Carolina, Rowan County, Original wills, Verble, Daniel – Zimmerman, Christian, file of Mary Wiseman. ( : accessed 25 June 2019). 
  10. “North Carolina Probate Records, 1735-1970,” Rowan > Wills, 1781-1791, Vol. B > image 94+95 of 230, Will of Mary Wiseman, pages 179-181. ( : accessed 6 March 2020). 
  11. “North Carolina Estate Files, 1663-1979,” database with images, FamilySearch, citing State Archives, Raleigh., Rowan County > W > Wiseman, Mary (1792) > image 2 of 3. ( : accessed 6 March 2020). 
  12. Dodd,Jordan,  Virginia, Marriages, 1660-1800, [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations Inc, 1997. Original data: Electronic transcription of marriage records held by the individual counties in Virginia. 
  13. Ibid. 
  14. West Virginia Vital Research Records Project (database and images), West Virginia Division of Culture and History (A collaborative venture between the West Virginia State Archives and the Genealogical Society of Utah to place vital records online via the West Virginia Archives and History Web site accessible at, West Virginia, Greenbrier, Jno. Blanton and Eliza. 1797/9 (1798), left page, last entry. ( : accessed 12 August 2014). 
  15. Ibid., Monroe County, 1799, Margaret Wiseman and Bartholomey Ramsey. 1799 Marriage Bond. ( : accessed 12 August 2014). 
  16. Ibid., Monroe County, 22 October 1799, Margaret Wiseman and Bartholomey Ramsey. 1799 Marriage Record. ( : accessed 12 August 2014). 

Author: Cathy Meder-Dempsey

When I’m not doing genealogy and blogging, I spend time riding my racing bike with my husband through the wonderful Luxembourg countryside.

45 thoughts on “The Ancestors: Isaac WISEMAN (1738-1818) and Elizabeth DAVIS (1738-1807)”

  1. Cathy, Wonderful post, even of you feel like just go ahead post it as is. I love the Berks County,PA connection. That’s my old “genie” stomping grounds. Always anxious to see more of your discoveries. Brian

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      1. Cathy, I’ll be glad to help. I have many PA resources and I’ve studied Rev. Johann Casper Stoever’s birth and marriage records for years. He was the minister of the Little Tulpehoken Christ Church in Berks Co., PA that was attended by my immigrant ancestor Jacob Mueller and family. I also have some church records from other townships in Berks Co. as well. Just let me know.
        Thanks, Brian

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  2. Cathy,

    Isaac and Elizabeth Davis Wiseman are my 5th Great grandparents. This is how I am related to this famous couple. I have some questions to ask you, in my next email.

    William Riley Wiseman 1779–1842 BIRTH 06 MAY 1779 • Berks, PA, USA DEATH 4 JULY 1842 • Nicholas Co., VA. 4TH GREAT GRANDFATHER

    James W. Wiseman 1812–1898 BIRTH 2 FEBRUARY 1812 • Monroe County, Virginia, United States DEATH 6 DECEMBER 1898 • Virginia 3RD GREAT GRANDFATHER

    Augustus A. Wiseman 1840–1924 BIRTH 2 APR 1840 • Monroe County , Virginia DEATH 23 APR 1924 • Brean, Kanawha, West Virginia 2nd GREAT GRANDFATHER

    Alonzo Perry Wiseman 1874–1951 BIRTH 9 JANUARY 1874 • Mill Creek, Kanawha County, West Virginia, United States of America DEATH 4 JUNE 1951 • Big Chimney, Kanawha County, West Virginia, United States of America 1st GREAT GRANDFATHER

    Daniel Marshall Wiseman 1914–1947 BIRTH 31 DECEMBER 1914 • Kanawha City, Kanawha, West Virginia, United States DEATH 15 NOVEMBER 1947 • Harewood, Fayette, West Virginia paternal grandfather

    Alonza Thomas Wiseman 1936–2002 BIRTH 31 JUL 1936 • Mill Creek, Kanawha, West Virginia, USA DEATH 05 JUL 2002 • Charleston Kanawha County WV father

    Mrs. Terri L. Smith


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    1. Terri, thank you for sharing your line. I haven’t worked on William WISEMAN 1779-1842 enough to have your line. Your James W. was not mentioned in the will I found. I don’t have Riley as William’s middle name but I see he had a son William Riley Wiseman.


      1. Cathy,
        I have some questions. There are some civil war medals still at the charleston WV state archives for a John Wiseman and also a Joseph Wiseman, or does anyone know who these two Wisemans are and who were their parents?

        Wiseman, John; E; 1st Reg Inf Vols
        Wiseman, Joseph N.; M; 2nd Reg Cav Vols

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      2. Since my line down from Isaac is his daughter Rachel, I haven’t spent much time looking into the sons’ lines. I’d have to check the records on Ancestry. I don’t have a subscription to Fold3. Only Isaac’s oldest son Joseph and the youngest (your William) had stayed in WV. They would have to be from on of those two.


      3. Cathy,
        I have access to fold3 and I have looked up both John and Joseph and the records didn’t say who their parents were, I am going have to look in other directions. If you ever need look up on fold 3 just let me know as long as I have a subscription, although it might run out at the end of March. But you can still let me know if you need something to look up.

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      4. I forgot to mention that Alonza Thomas Wiseman 1936–2002 BIRTH 31 JUL 1936 was my father.
        He married my mother Shirley Ann Kidd.

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      5. Cathy,
        Also I found our Wiseman family graves over in England. My husband and I both did the ancestry DNA and I was able to locate our Wiseman Ancestors over in a small town called Great Canfield, Essex England. I also have some pictures of the church that sits in the middle of this cemetery that holds our ancestors graves.

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      6. Where you able to compare your Wiseman matches using a chromosome browser? I have hundreds of matches in clusters that appear to be coming from the Wiseman branch. I need to check if there are any matches with Wiseman in their tree from England. How is the connection to Great Canfield?


      7. Cathy,
        It starts with Issac Wiseman father Isaac Wiseman Sr, I will list it starting with Isaac Sr and go backwards until we reach Great Canfield.
        Isaac Wiseman
        BIRTH 26 FEBRUARY 1699 • Aboard, ship, Canterbury, Kent, England
        DEATH 3 FEBRUARY 1779 • Davidson County, North Carolina,
        6th Great grandfather

        Thomas Wisman
        BIRTH 26 JUNE 1670 • Norfolk, England
        DEATH 14 JULY 1716 • Germantown, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, United States of America
        7th great-grandfather

        Thomas Wiseman
        BIRTH 1645 • Wymondham, Norfolk, England
        DEATH 26 JUL 1670 • Norfolk, England
        8th great-grandfather

        Edmond Wiseman
        BIRTH 1622 • Wymondham, Norfolk, England
        DEATH 1650 • England
        9th great-grandfather

        Robert Henry Wiseman
        BIRTH 1595 • Wymondham, Norfolk, England
        DEATH 16 APR 1650 • Maryland, USA
        10th great-grandfather

        Thomas Wiseman
        BIRTH 27 JAN 1556 • Great Canfield, Essex, England
        DEATH MAR 1625 • Great Canfield, Essex, England
        11th great-grandfather

        Sir John Wiseman
        BIRTH 1495 • Great Canfield, Essex, England
        DEATH 17 AUG 1558 • Great Canfield, Essex, England
        12th great-grandfather

        Sir William Wiseman
        BIRTH 1463 • Dunmow, Essex, England
        DEATH 17 AUG 1495 • Great Canfield, Uttlesford District, Essex, England
        13th great-grandfather

        Sir Symond of Great Canfield Wiseman
        BIRTH 1440 • Rivenhall, Essex, England
        DEATH 1483 • Buckenham, Norfolk, England
        14th great-grandfather

        Sir John Wiseman
        BIRTH 1420 • North End, Essex, England
        DEATH 1470 • Essex County, England
        15th great-grandfather

        George Wiseman 1400
        BIRTH 1400 • Thornham, Norfolk, England
        DEATH 1450 • Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
        16th great-grandfather

        Robert Wiseman
        BIRTH 1377 • Sussex, England
        DEATH 1422 • Thornham, Norfolk, England
        17th great-grandfather

        John Wiseman
        BIRTH 1350
        DEATH 1377
        18th great-grandfather

        Alexander Wyseman
        BIRTH 1325 • England
        DEATH Unknown
        19th great-grandfather

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      8. Terri,
        Would it be ok with you if I get in touch by email to discuss this? No need to post your email address here as I can see it.

        I’m sure many trees online have these names. Unfortunately, I have not found any with sources to back up the direct line back to the earliest Wyseman. There may be evidence here and there in different trees but with the number of trees it is practically impossible to pull those out of the haystack.


      9. Cathy,

        I forgot to mention, do you want access to my ancestry account ?

        Mrs. Terri L. Smith



      10. Cathy,

        Excuse the mess in my family tree, I am slowly working on it.

        Mrs. Terri L. Smith



  3. I never know whether it is a blessing or a curse to find someone else has researched your relatives. In your case these look like careful and serious genealogists, but it’s still wise to do as you’ve done to try and find their actual sources. I have faced this with my Goldschmidt family. They have been researched by my cousins Cibella and Baron, but I don’t have access to their sources, so I have done what you’ve done—tried to find them myself. In most cases I have succeeded (and even found some children they didn’t have on their tree), but at other times I have not. I ask them for sources, and often they can dig one up for me, but at other times they can’t—they also may have relied on someone else’s sourceless research. And don’t even get me started on the trees you find on Ancestry, MyHeritage, Geni, etc., that provide no sources. Great work as always, Cathy!

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    1. Thank you, Amy. You really don’t want to see the mess I have in the notes for this family. I’m working on cleaning them up. It’s the reason I’m trying to source everything I find. I don’t want someone to ask me where it came from and not be able to find the source.

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      1. I know what you mean. I try to do that now on my Ancestry/FTM stree and also on the blog. But when I looked back on some old posts from my blog from years ago, I realized that for quite a long time I didn’t include citations at all. One of these days I have to go back and do that. I dread that day…. 😦

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  4. I can’t remember all I wrote before, but one thing was that I love that you used the birth dates for the Isaacs. The way others were doing it was very confusing to me, and it doesn’t help when you start to forget dates and who is whom. Another thing was that your family reminds me of my daughter-in-law’s. She has branches from the Revolutionary time period and before in Pennsylvania. I hope she can really get into researching it because it is fascinating American history, but I don’t even have time to work on my own family any more. Your thoroughness is always an inspiration. I know I should be doing source citations, but I had my fill of that for work for years, so . . . .

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    1. Thanks for writing the new comment, Luanne. It is a fascinating time in US history and a period which was only skimmed over in school. I think I learned more from reading biographies of famous persons of the time when I was in 4th grade.

      I didn’t have to do source citations at work but lots of analysis and clipping current events.

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      1. Oh, I used to love to read biographies from the time, too! I know I should use source citations, but I just can’t myself to do it any more. It would take the fun out for me. But I am starting to feel guilty about it. I guess I will just keep my notes with my documents and call it a day. You and Amy inspire me on a regular basis.

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      2. I’m trying to make it a habit to create the citation as soon as I use and find records. But it doesn’t always work as I try to get as much as possible researched for a post. At least the ones I need for my posts are done.

        I have thousands of census records that need to be cited. Twenty years’ worth of researching and I’ve only been citing sources in the past 2-3 years by using the add source button in my genealogy program. Before this I would make an annotation to the notes of an individual with the information on where it came from. I finally bought Evidence Explained in January.

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      3. What genealogy program do you use, Cathy? That seems like a cool button. I hear you on the past research. Also, even on my blog, I didn’t used to watermark photos, and now I do because I’ve had people use them in wrong ways before–can think of 3 times just off the top of my head. But I still haven’t gone back and watermarked all on my blog (sigh). I looked up the book you mention. I wonder if I need to read it or not as I used to cite for my academic papers, so was very used to it (and the reason for hating it now). It is more of an explanation or does it show how? Does it give any shortcuts (hahaha)?


      4. EE is for genealogy citations which are different than those we did for academic papers. Because of the sites we use our citations are layered. I don’t do them all as Elizabeth Shown Mills does them but for the special collections it is helpful to review how she does them. Before I bought the book I would often google Evidence Explained and the collection I wanted to cite. It usually takes me to the EE forums or the QuickLessons where they discuss how to cite.

        I use Ancestral Quest. The source button only opens up a window to select a source or create a new source. It isn’t fast and easy but having it next to the different fields (BMD, names, events) helps as I see an asterisk on the button if a source is already cited. Better overview of what you need to source when no asterisk is there. Genealogy programs make the work easier but don’t do all the work. 😉

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      5. Cathy, thank you so much for this in depth info. I am copying and pasting to a document for me to think about for the future. I hope others will make use of it also!

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  5. Haven’t browsed all the links yet but I believe Abner Wiseman was my grandfather’s grandfather or great great father from what I’ve been able to find. My grandfather was Basil Wiseman son of Edgar Wiseman who was son of Abner Wiseman. Not sure if the years fully line up because I noticed many of the first names were the same passed down.

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    1. I don’t have all the descendants of Isaac Wiseman documented but will take a look around. You will have to be careful with the connections as you noted as first names were passed on through several of the lines down from Isaac. Thank you for taking the time to write a comment on this post!


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