Each week, as I write about another set of my children’s Luxembourgish 5th great-grandparents, I review the information I have. If I haven’t worked on the family in a while, I search for baptismal and/or birth records, marriage banns, marriage records, death and/or burial records, census records on FamilySearch in the collections for Luxembourg or Lëtzebuerg.
This week I looked into the SCHAEFFER-GREISCH family. I’ll be sharing the post on Friday. However, I couldn’t wait to play this little game with you.
Lëtz Play! Can You Top This?
Have you found a record in your genealogy research which reveals as many events as the one I discovered?
When I re-read the 1810 marriage record of the SCHAEFFER-GREISCH couple who married in Esch-sur-Sûre in north-western Luxembourg, I found the widowed father of the groom was living in Bourglinster, a town in the commune of Junglinster in central Luxembourg. I found his 1819 death record in Junglinster and learned he had remarried. When and where did this marriage take place?
I located the 1809 marriage record in Junglinster and it is filled with genealogical information. Imagine finding the dates for fifteen (15) events in one record!
- 21 April 1809 – Date of marriage for Johann Baptiste SCHAFFER and Catherine WEINTZ
- 22 June 1752 – Date of birth of the groom, Johann Baptiste SCHAFFER
- 7 Frimaire year X – Date of death of the groom’s first wife Catherine JACQUES (aka SCHAACK)
- 16 January 1795 – Date of death of Jean SCHAFFER, father of the groom
- 21 February 1771 – Date of death of Marie BRAACK, mother of the groom
- 15 March 1760 – Date of death of Jean SCHAFFER, grandfather of the groom
- 25 March 1760 – Date of death of Susanne SCHAFFER, grandmother of the groom
- 3 Nov 1765 – Date of birth of the bride, Catherine WEINTZ
- 9 Pluviose year XII – Date of death of the bride’s first husband, Matthias REIDELER
- 21 February 1773 – Date of death of Michel WEINTZ, father of the bride
- 3 Frimaire 1797 – Date of death of Marie BRAUN, mother of the bride
- 12 April 1749 – Date of death of Theodore WEINTZ, grandfather of the bride
- 19 April 1767 – Date of death of Marguerite WEINTZ, grandmother of the bride
- 26 March 1809 – First proclamation of the marriage banns
- 2 April 1809 – Second proclamation of the marriage banns
It’s normal to find dates of death of the first spouse and deceased parents of the bride and/or groom in Luxembourgish marriage records. I have also seen the fact that the grandparents were deceased when the party was an orphan. But this was the first record I’ve seen with names and dates for the grandparents of the bride and groom.
Have you found a record with this many events mentioned? I’d love to hear about it. Please leave a comment or link to a post you’ve written about your extraordinary find.
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I am impressed with 15! I had to go read a marriage record for my 4th great grandmother in Italy who was marrying for the 3rd time and her father and grandfather were deceased. With all of the combined marriage documents I counted 12 dates. If you count all three of the “notifcazione” posted on the church door, which is the “banns,” it would be 14 events. Good stuff you have!
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AC, European ancestors are the best. Glad to hear you’ve also found a similar record. I’d love to see you blog about the record. Thank you.
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What a jackpot!
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Thank you, Karen!
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Wow! That’s some amazing information all on one record. Genealogists dream!
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Wow is right! Although European records are known to have much more information than US records, I was still amazed at the fine. Thank you, Jenny.
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Wow, that’s pretty cool! And no, I don’t think I’ve ever gotten anywhere near that much from ONE record. Nice!
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Thank you, Amy. When I was writing this one I realized there is one US record collection which may have close to this many events. Chancery records. I ❤ the Library of Virginia for their collection.
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Really? It must be an old one!
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Yeah. 1858. Mentioned all of the children of a couple who were deceased but did not mention when they died. It at least helped prove the children.
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That’s neat. I got a count of 14 on a marriage in Italy with all of the deaths and prior marriages. Good stuff. First message didn’t take so I am sending this again .
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AC, your first comment “took” but it was in moderation. Now, you are approved and will not have to wait to see your comments. Thank you.
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Wow! What a find Cathy. I definitely have not found a record that references that many events. Nowhere near that many. That is an exceptional record.
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Thank you, Amberly. I wish you a find like this one!
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Hi Cathy
thank for this record. I found two good datas!! Attached what i have about him
Best Regards
Rob
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Thank you, Rob. You’ll have to email me the information as attachments don’t work in the comments.
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Great example. Do Luxembourg civil marriage records have marriage supplements like the Dutch ones? In the Netherlands, you would be able to find a bundle of extracts of the records for each of these events, often with a complete copy of the birth and death records, plus a certificate that the groom fulfilled his military duties.
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Hello, Yvette, and thank you.
I have seen supplements mostly in the 1820 and 1830s but not in all communes. They include birth records of bride or groom if they were not born in the municipality they were being married in, death records of parents of bride or groom (same scenario), certificate of military service, and, in one case, a certificate that the groom had paid his taxes.
I wish they were included for all years.
I checked this morning to see as they might be included for this marriage (I couldn’t sleep and this popped up in my mind) but unfortunately they weren’t.
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Wow, that is a great find! Now if only the military records of Luxembourg were as full of info or easy to find. I’d like to find out more about those who served in my family under Napoleon and have found a little through Luxroots but I also read some records were burned in the original building that held the records in Luxembourg. What I did find was very interesting. Keep up the interesting posts Cathy! We enjoy reading them and learn so much.
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Thank you, Kathy. I have no experience with Luxroots. I did find a couple of men in the Matricules Napoléoniens 1802-1815
I’ll have to see if I can learn more about military records and where to find them.
Always happy to see you posting comments, Kathy.
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Thank you for sharing link to more military records. I found 2 ancestors records there! One gave info on previously unknown spouse of mother. Other I was able to confirm/triangulate? “Jean” is same person as “Jacques” on Deltgen.com. Picked up a birth date then on sibling thru the trail. It was a great lead on info in index and link to original documents previously unknown to me thru earlier source I tapped at “Soldats de la France 1792-1815”. Looking forward to learning more in your next post! Love your detailed posts.
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🙂 I can see you doing a genealogy happy dance, Kathy. So glad my tip paid off for you. Thank you so much for letting me know!
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I never had 15! But I had some with various information of birthdates of parents, previous marriages (incl. divorces) of groom and bride. I definetly have favourits among “my” pastors 🙂
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Thank you, Barbara. My favorite pastors and scribes are the ones with the beautiful handwriting, followed by the ones who took the time to include as much information as they could fit in – this however often meant squeezing it into a tiny section which did not improve the handwriting.
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Wow, that’s an amazing find! I’m lucky if I can even find the bride’s or groom’s parents names!
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I know what you mean, Elizabeth. I get so frustrated when I see US marriage certificates. Beautiful forms but not always the amount of information we would like to me. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Good luck with your new blog.
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This is quite fascinating. How fortunate for you! The only ‘documents’ I have seen with more were pages of a Bible with entries in small script 🙂
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This is almost like a page out of the family bible! Thank you, Janice.
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Cathy,
I’ve never had the good fortune to come across a record like that. It’s gonna’ be hard to top that!
Brian
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But I bet you’ll try, Brian. Thanks for stopping by.
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You know me, I’m like a dog with a bone…
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